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dem debate 2 (Nov 14th)

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I cant find a thread on this so here is one. It's over now so any input?
 
Sanders had the best line of the night on tax rates where he said he was not as much of a socialist as Dwight Eisenhower was. That was a terrific line.

However, Clinton clearly emerged as the winner and seemed to have a far greater command of foreign policy issues that Sanders did who at times simply wanted to pivot to other things.
 
haymarket said:
Sanders had the best line of the night on tax rates where he said he was not as much of a socialist as Dwight Eisenhower was. That was a terrific line.

However, Clinton clearly emerged as the winner and seemed to have a far greater command of foreign policy issues that Sanders did who at times simply wanted to pivot to other things.
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I think he may have pivoted because it wasn't a good time to necessarily voiced his views, iirc he's pretty anti-interventionist, which would seem out of place on a day when "everyone" is claiming unity with Paris.
 
That must have been some debate...
Say what you will about the republican side but at least its interesting. The coronation of Hillary is a borefest.
 
haymarket said:
Sanders had the best line of the night on tax rates where he said he was not as much of a socialist as Dwight Eisenhower was. That was a terrific line.

However, Clinton clearly emerged as the winner and seemed to have a far greater command of foreign policy issues that Sanders did who at times simply wanted to pivot to other things.
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Didn't see the debate but that analysis is totally opposite from what I read in the news Sunday morning, and I'm not talking about Fox News.
 
Moderate Right said:
Didn't see the debate but that analysis is totally opposite from what I read in the news Sunday morning, and I'm not talking about Fox News.
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The only analysis I read was on Politico and their esteemed panel of political experts and insiders said much the same.

its right here

Insiders: Bad night for Bernie Sanders - POLITICO

Bernie Sanders had the weakest night of the three Democrats onstage at Saturday night’s debate.
That’s according to a survey of the POLITICO Caucus, a bipartisan group of influential strategists, operatives and activists in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada, who weighed in immediately following the second Democratic primary debate.
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Nearly half of Democrats surveyed said the Vermont senator lost the debate, and only 10 percent of Democrats said he won. Those insiders who said Sanders had the worst night argued that he appeared out of his depth on foreign policy a day after terrorist attacks rocked France. He spent just a few seconds addressing the matter in his opening statement before pivoting to his familiar pitch about the economy, in stark contrast to rival Hillary Clinton, a former secretary of state who devoted her entire statement to the Paris attacks.
“He made a mistake right off the bat in switching from Paris to the economy, and had an uneven performance,” a New Hampshire Democrat said.
"He was clearly not comfortable discussing detail on foreign policy matters," agreed another New Hampshire Democrat.
Others said the self-described democratic socialist made no effort to appeal to the broader Democratic Party, and reinforced perceptions Saturday night that he is unelectable.
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Read more: Insiders: Bad night for Bernie Sanders - POLITICO

But I am glad to see that there are other opinions.
 
Hillary struggled with lipstick teeth while Bernie searched for those 1.2 jigowatts. Somebody buy this man a comb.

Looked like Martin and his two geriatric-home parents.

They all looked so unbelievably out of place with a real life foreign policy crisis going on.
 
I didn't watch the debate (Saturday night family activities), but do echo in questioning the wisdom of a Saturday night debate a full year prior to the election. And as was pointed out by one of the 538 staff, "during an Iowa Hawkeye's footbal game".

I think the above would feed nicely into the "quickly coronate & limit the exposure of Secy Clinton" theorists.
 
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Wow. So the left really gets in to debating the fine points, huh?
 
tech30528 said:
Wow. So the left really gets in to debating the fine points, huh?
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The debates for the Republicans aren't exactly pretty or full of substance either :roll:

As much as I think his policies are ****ing moronic, I do applaud Sanders for looking towards the economy the most. The economy is what matters. It matters a hell of a lot more than what happened in Paris. It affects a hell of a lot more people than were affected in Paris.
 
Luftwaffe said:
The debates for the Republicans aren't exactly pretty or full of substance either :roll:

As much as I think his policies are ****ing moronic, I do applaud Sanders for looking towards the economy the most. The economy is what matters. It matters a hell of a lot more than what happened in Paris. It affects a hell of a lot more people than were affected in Paris.
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Yeah, but at least people watch them.
 
Luftwaffe said:
The debates for the Republicans aren't exactly pretty or full of substance either :roll:

As much as I think his policies are ****ing moronic, I do applaud Sanders for looking towards the economy the most. The economy is what matters. It matters a hell of a lot more than what happened in Paris. It affects a hell of a lot more people than were affected in Paris.
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Sanders is treading lightly, clearing the path for Hillary's coronation. He wants a cabinet spot or an ambassadorship, and she'll gladly give it to him.

A debate on a Saturday night in Iowa in the middle of an Iowa Hawkeye football game. Can you be any less committed to debating the issues than that?
 
It's a put-off that the democrats are even having a debate, we all know that Hillary will be the nominee. All of this is just to keep up appearances.

I was playing a game on my phone, but managed to stomach as much of it as I could. The prevailing themes seemed to be class warfare, which is a staple in democrat politics, who's going to pay for all the free stuff they promise, which BTW, the "wealthy", is YOU and ME. Even the poor in this country are considered rich when you compare them to the rest of the world. So the democrats are fooling no one. I was disgusted when they were trying to 1-up each other on who would bring in the most Syrian Muslims. It was horrible!

I will say this though. That Irishman really gives me the heeby jeebies. I mean, he comes off as some greasy politician, who will say anything to get a sale. Plus he seriously needed to speak up a bit more, as his constant mumbling really bummed me out.
 
Erod said:
A debate on a Saturday night in Iowa in the middle of an Iowa Hawkeye football game. Can you be any less committed to debating the issues than that?
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The democrat leadership deliberately planned it that way. They know that the more people hear Hillary talk, the more her negatives go up.
 
poweRob said:
I cant find a thread on this so here is one. It's over now so any input?
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i too, was surprised we had no thread to discuss the event in real time as we had earlier done with the republican debate

if anyone lost, it was o'malley. he did not come off as presidential and with that gravitas we so commonly hear bandied about. after launching quickly into a response it seemed he would have a difficult time getting to a conclusion in his reply. he's clearly hoping for a VP slot. his groping remarks did not serve him well to that end

Sanders' weakest moment was expressing a willingness to again look at the gun bill he voted for that held the gun manufacturers and retailers harmless from litigation. he should have instead explained why he voted for the bill with that content. a rare faux pas for Bernie

hillary got hammered in two directions on one question. she tried to explain the reason she accepted massive quantities of wall street PAC fund donations was because of 9/11 and being the NY senator. someone brighter than i will have to explain why that was a plausible explanation for being in wall street's pocket

at least they did not have some awful singer show up to begin the debate with a cheesey, off-key rendition of the star spangled banner ... otherwise the republican debate was more 'fun'
 
justabubba said:
i too, was surprised we had no thread to discuss the event in real time as we had earlier done with the republican debate

if anyone lost, it was o'malley. he did not come off as presidential and with that gravitas we so commonly hear bandied about. after launching quickly into a response it seemed he would have a difficult time getting to a conclusion in his reply. he's clearly hoping for a VP slot. his groping remarks did not serve him well to that end

Sanders' weakest moment was expressing a willingness to again look at the gun bill he voted for that held the gun manufacturers and retailers harmless from litigation. he should have instead explained why he voted for the bill with that content. a rare faux pas for Bernie

hillary got hammered in two directions on one question. she tried to explain the reason she accepted massive quantities of wall street PAC fund donations was because of 9/11 and being the NY senator. someone brighter than i will have to explain why that was a plausible explanation for being in wall street's pocket

at least they did not have some awful singer show up to begin the debate with a cheesey, off-key rendition of the star spangled banner ... otherwise the republican debate was more 'fun'
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Well it was a saturday which having wasserman/shultz... a hillary shill... scheduling the debates is doing all she can to limit debates and bury the debates that do happen as much as possible. debates are the best way for underdogs to get the name recognition and she's trying to help hillary by trying to keep them from getting any name recognition.

I thought O'Malley did great. He did what he needed to do. He went on the attack and he was pretty much right. Hillary pissed me off as usual with her politics. Played the victim card while accusing Sanders of "impugning my integrity" then out of nowhere played the gender card THEN invoked 9/11 as an excuse to geting massive $'s for her campaign from wall street. Just gross. Then there's this bull**** narrative that went out on the web-osphere right after the debate:

Bernie Sanders Doesn’t Want to Talk About Paris in the Second Democratic Debate

It's all over the internet and it's a ****ing LIE as TIME proved in this story:

How Bernie Sanders Lost the Debate Before the Debate

I can't think of that starting but from one place.
 
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