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DeLay in trouble again...

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Source: Washinton Times

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay said yesterday that he has done nothing wrong ethically, and is eager to talk to the ethics committee about recent news reports questioning whether two overseas trips he took, paid for by interest groups, violated House standards.
"I feel confident I've done nothing wrong," the Texas Republican said.
He harshly criticized a series of stories in The Washington Post, which reported Mr. DeLay took a trip to South Korea in 2001 that was paid for by a group that had registered as a foreign agent and another trip to Britain in 2000 that the newspaper said largely was funded by an Indian tribe and gambling interests. The paper said Mr. DeLay later voted against a bill the tribe and gambling interests opposed.
 

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can't think of a more deserving slug. is that the answer? slug bait? this one thinks he's god, of what i don't want to imagine.
 

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All I can say is that this is very well deserved. I mean, someone under indictment as the no.2 guy in washington? A little ****y there guys. He is slime with no ethics and no morality.
 

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couldn't agree more! hooray for young people who know politics!

delay is a new species of particularly insidious ****roach, not even nuclear war will stop this one! we have to get him now while he' s in the cross-hairs. no killing him however, humiliation is the key here, put him in population at a texas prison!

to the censors: ****roach is a scientific term, not at all associated with profanity!
 

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Imagine what Republicans would be doing if DeLay were a Democrat, or if DeLay's last name was Clinton?

Can anyone think of any other member of Congress currently serving who's been publicly flogged by the Congress HALF as many times as DeLay?
 

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Typical socialist-lib-dem tactics. If you can beat 'em at the polls, sue 'em, screw em' and tattoo 'em with the nastiest labels known to man.

It just happens to be DeLay's turn.
 

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Fantasea said:
Typical socialist-lib-dem tactics. If you can beat 'em at the polls, sue 'em, screw em' and tattoo 'em with the nastiest labels known to man.

It just happens to be DeLay's turn.
Yeah the GOP would never do that.
 

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Fantasea said:
Typical socialist-lib-dem tactics. If you can beat 'em at the polls, sue 'em, screw em' and tattoo 'em with the nastiest labels known to man.

It just happens to be DeLay's turn.
Don't place mudslinging squarely on the shoulders of Democrats when Republicans do it just as much, if not more. It's not a 'socialist-lib-Dem' thing, it's just a fact of modern American politics. By tthe way, I have a problem with you calling liberals socialists, when they are clearly two separate ideologies. And then to paint a picture of Dems as socialist? That's totally ridiculous. There hasn't been a socialist running as a Dem in some time. Frankly, the Dems of late have been just a pro-capitalist as the GOP (the Clinton years, and his and Blair's 'third way'). The socialist party is socialist (duh), the Dems are certainly not socialist.
 

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anomaly said:
Don't place mudslinging squarely on the shoulders of Democrats when Republicans do it just as much, if not more. It's not a 'socialist-lib-Dem' thing, it's just a fact of modern American politics. By tthe way, I have a problem with you calling liberals socialists, when they are clearly two separate ideologies. And then to paint a picture of Dems as socialist? That's totally ridiculous. There hasn't been a socialist running as a Dem in some time. Frankly, the Dems of late have been just a pro-capitalist as the GOP (the Clinton years, and his and Blair's 'third way'). The socialist party is socialist (duh), the Dems are certainly not socialist.
It is obvious that we share different perspectives.

You know the old saw, "If it looks like a duck, etc., etc."
 

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Fantasea said:
It is obvious that we share different perspectives.

You know the old saw, "If it looks like a duck, etc., etc."
If you can call Democrats socialists, does that mean I can call Republicans fascists? Obviously both statements are false, but apparently you have no problem with such a statement.

*note: I do not mean to imply that socialism is bad, as I am in fact myself a socialist. At the same time, I make no judgement of Fascists or Republicans, or, for that matter, Democrats, here. I simply point out that socialism is left of liberalism, just as fascism is right of conservatism.
 

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anomaly said:
If you can call Democrats socialists, does that mean I can call Republicans fascists? Obviously both statements are false, but apparently you have no problem with such a statement.

*note: I do not mean to imply that socialism is bad, as I am in fact myself a socialist. At the same time, I make no judgement of Fascists or Republicans, or, for that matter, Democrats, here. I simply point out that socialism is left of liberalism, just as fascism is right of conservatism.
Are you asking my permission? If so, it is granted. You may call the Republicans anything you wish. Don't be surprised, however, if your comments meet with the same indifference as your socialist preaching.
 

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Where is A "Ken Progressive party" Star type when you need him .
I wonder why congress doesn't hire A Ken Star type to go after Tom Delay the way Ken Star went after Bill Clinton.

I really have to wonder if Tom Delay I willing to bet not .
So I ask myself then why doesn't the united states congress hire A super investigator like Ken Star ......OOPS how stupid of me thats right Tom Delay is A republican and so is the US Congress

I giess I'm getting old
 

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Fantasea said:
Are you asking my permission? If so, it is granted. You may call the Republicans anything you wish. Don't be surprised, however, if your comments meet with the same indifference as your socialist preaching.
Capitalist preaching is far more dangerous to the people of this world than so called 'socialist preaching'. I never knew stating the obvious was 'preaching'. BTW, thanks for your permission.
 

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Where is A "Ken Progressive party" Star type when you need him .
I wonder why congress doesn't hire A Ken Star type to go after Tom Delay the way Ken Star went after Bill Clinton.

I really have to wonder if Tom Delay I willing to bet not .
So I ask myself then why doesn't the united states congress hire A super investigator like Ken Star ......OOPS how stupid of me thats right Tom Delay is A republican and so is the US Congress

I giess I'm getting old
You can't be that old. Surely you remember that as soon as a Republican became Speaker of the House in 1994, the Democrats immediately formed a 'hit squad', headed by David Bonior (D) MI. They bombarded him with an uninterrupted stream accusations of ethics violations until he realized that he could no longer be effective, and so, he resigned. The Democrats then proceeded to brutalize each of his successors right on up to Tom DeLay, whom they are continuing to savage.

Think about this for a moment. Beginning with 1994, that was the mid-term election of Clinton's first term, and in three successive elections 1996, 1998, and 2000, the Democrats lost control of the House of Representatives (which they had controlled for forty some years), the Senate, and the White House. In 2002 the Democrats lost seats in both the House and the Senate; in 2004, they lost more seats in both the House and the Senate, and a Republican was re-elected to the White House. These are facts.

With absolutely nothing left to lose, what else can the Democrats do in their effort to recover, except try to soil the Republicans by any and every means available. What they fail to realize is that it's precisely this kind of conduct, together with policies that do not resound favorably with the electorate, that is leading them down the road to irrelevance.

Their current role as obstructionists doesn't help them at all.
 

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Tom Delay has an....interesting quote about Schiavo on his website:

Mrs. Schiavo’s death is a moral poverty and a legal tragedy. This loss happened because our legal system did not protect the people who need protection most, and that will change. The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior, but not today. Today we grieve, we pray, and we hope to God this fate never befalls another. Our thoughts and prayers are with the Schindlers and with Terri Schiavo's friends in this time of deep sorrow.
Tom Delay is going down this crazy path and who knows what he really means by that statement, but let it be known that the RNC has his back the whole way down the rabbit hole in an ultimatum kind of way:
Morton Blackwell, Republican National Committee member from Virginia and a member of ACU's board, said Republicans are being told support for Mr. DeLay is mandatory if they want future support from conservatives.
"Conservative leaders across the country are working now to make sure that any politician who hopes to have conservative support in the future had better be in the forefront as we attack those who attack Tom DeLay," he said.
It's pretty sad that a party is not allowing dissention in the ranks on a SMALL issue like that.
 

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"Conservative leaders across the country are working now to make sure that any politician who hopes to have conservative support in the future had better be in the forefront as we attack those who attack Tom DeLay," he said.
If Tom Delay was quilty of the accusations, Republicans wouldn't stand behind him. That is unique to the Republican Party unlike the Democrats who circle the wagons, no matter what.
 

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Fantasea said:
A read of the entire article confirms what I wrote in post #15.
It'd resound more if mudslinging were a novel concept.
 

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If as you republican loyalists you think Tom Delay is a good clean old southern boy with nothing to hide lets find a super tough investigator / prosecutor and have Tom Delay files / records and I mean don't over look a thing .

The sad thing is this will never happen because the Democrats do not know how to play hard dirty politics the way the republicans do the Republicans are master of the game of dirty politics..........It's no coincidence's that the popularity of right wing talk radio and the Republicans wining the house and Senate as well as the Presidency when you have 18-24 / 7 hours a day of right just bashing the Democratic party it has a huge affect .

Some how the Republicans learned how to masters the talk radio game

and for this I do give them credit ........Talk radio is worth $ Billion & Billion & Billions to the republican party
 

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If Tom Delay was quilty of the accusations, Republicans wouldn't stand behind him. That is unique to the Republican Party unlike the Democrats who circle the wagons, no matter what.
Thanks for this, I really needed a good, long, hard laugh today.
 

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It looks like one republican is ignoring Blackwell's comments:

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Private GOP tensions over Rep. Tom DeLay's ethics controversy spilled into public Sunday as a Republican Senate leader called on the Texan to explain his actions and one House Republican demanded DeLay's resignation.

"Tom's conduct is hurting the Republican Party, is hurting this Republican majority, and it is hurting any Republican who is up for reelection," Rep. Chris Shays, R-Conn., said in an interview, calling for DeLay to step down as majority leader.

DeLay, who was admonished by the House ethics committee last year, has been dogged in recent months by reports about overseas travel funded by special interests, campaign payments to family members and connections to a lobbyist who is under criminal investigation.

A moderate Republican from Connecticut who has battled with his party's leadership on a number of issues, Shays said efforts by House GOP members to change ethics rules to protect DeLay only make the party look bad.

"My party is going to have to decide whether we are going to continue to make excuses for Tom to the detriment of Republicans seeking election," he said.

Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, the No. 3 Republican in the Senate, said Sunday that DeLay needs to explain his conduct to the public. "I think he has to come forward and lay out what he did and why he did it, and let the people then judge for themselves," Santorum said on ABC's "This Week."But from everything I've heard, again, from the comments and responding to those, is everything he's done was according to the law.

"Now you may not like some of the things he's done," said Santorum. "That's for the people of his district to decide, whether they want to approve that kind of behavior or not."

DeLay's spokesman, Dan Allen, said the congressman "looks forward to the opportunity of sitting down with the ethics committee chairman and ranking member to get the facts out and to dispel the fiction and innuendo that's being launched at him by House Democrats and their liberal allies."

Responding specifically to Shays' remarks later, Allen added that DeLay's "effective leadership has helped to build and maintain the Republican majority in the House, and that's exactly why liberal groups funded by [billionaire financier] George Soros have set their sights on him."

The majority leader was admonished three times last year by the ethics committee. The panel has been in limbo since March, when its five Democrats balked at adopting Republican-developed rules.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said last week that the controversy was distracting DeLay from dealing with more pressing problems before Congress.

Santorum, however, said DeLay is "very effective in leading the House" and "to date, has not been compromised."

DeLay, who took center stage in passing legislation designed to keep alive Terri Schiavo, has found that President Bush and congressional colleagues are distancing themselves from his comments, after her death, about the judges involved in her case.

"The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior," DeLay said, which some have interpreted as a call for impeaching members of a separate branch of government. Later, he complained of "an arrogant and out-of-control judiciary that thumbs its nose at Congress and the president."

"From everything I've heard ... from the comments and responding to those, is everything he's done was according to the law. Now you may not like some of the things he's done. That's for the people of his district to decide, whether they want to approve that kind of behavior or not." -- Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania
 

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Fantasea said:
Their current role as obstructionists doesn't help them at all.

I agree.
Sour grapes and all that. No wonder they seem to lose more ground every year.
 

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Kinda odd how one forgets about Delay's previous indiscretions....

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay quietly slipped into the energy bill a $1.5 billion fund for oil and natural gas drilling research that will benefit an energy consortium based in his home district, a California Democrat said on Wednesday.

The measure was criticized as a "giveaway to one of the most profitable industries in America," by Rep. Henry Waxman, who demanded that the fund be dropped from the legislation before a House vote on the energy bill on Thursday.

Waxman said the $1.5 billion fund for ultra-deepwater drilling was added to the final energy bill this week after House and Senate negotiators called a halt to any more amendments.

"Obviously, it would be a serious abuse to secretly slip such a costly and controversial provision into the energy legislation," Waxman said in a letter to House Speaker Dennis Hastert.

A spokesman for DeLay defended the fund, saying it was in the energy bill approved by the House in April.

"The project is only new to Mr. Waxman if he failed to read the House bill he had voted on," the spokesman said, adding he could not explain how the item was added to the final version of legislation prepared by the Senate and House negotiators.
 
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