Definition of an assault weapon

[Cardinal]

If you are serious, the cons far out weigh the good.

How so? It's a simple fact that black market goods are less accessible to the general public than non-black market goods.

 

[TurtleDude]

How so? It's a simple fact that black market goods are less accessible to the general public than non-black market goods.

so your goal is to deprive honest members of the general public more than harass or impede the criminal element?

 

[Bum]

So 31 bullets in a clip at $200 a bullet? On second thought, that's really not as cost prohibitive as I would have hoped. If I really wanted to take out a dude and meant business, $6200 wouldn't slow me down for an instant. I think if you really wanted to make sure that the target had it coming, $50,000 for a clip would slow down everybody but Bruce Wayne. Therefore each bullet should cost $1600. In fact, you could probably bet on the shooter going up to his victim and asking for the bullets back.

That being the case, I could sell a fraction of what I have in my vault and retire to the Hamptons.

 

[Cardinal]

so your goal is to deprive honest members of the general public more than harass or impede the criminal element?

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[Casper]

How so? It's a simple fact that black market goods are less accessible to the general public than non-black market goods.

Yes, worked really well with drugs. Oh wait.........never mind.

 

[Cardinal]

Yes, worked really well with drugs. Oh wait.........never mind.

There's going to be a black market for anything that's illegal. That's just how it goes.

 

[Nap]

How so? It's a simple fact that black market goods are less accessible to the general public than non-black market goods.

You are literally denying well meaning people from the availability of bullets, while those with no regard for the law would still have them.

Also, those that have guns should train with it so they will be ready should a situation arise that they need to use it. I doubt you want someone with a CCW that has only fired his gun a handful of times to pull his weapon in public to defend you.

 

[Casper]

There's going to be a black market for anything that's illegal. That's just how it goes.

Meaning you already know it would be a failure?

 

[Cardinal]

You are literally denying well meaning people from the availability of bullets, while those with no regard for the law would still have them.

Also, those that have guns should train with it so they will be ready should a situation arise that they need to use it. I doubt you want someone with a CCW that has only fired his gun a handful of times to pull his weapon in public to defend you.

Answer me this: why would somebody with no regard for the law come after a law abiding citizen using a gun loaded with $1600 bullets? That's just super bad economic sense. Even if the gun is loaded with black market $100 bullets, the numbers still suck, especially when you add on top of that the risk of buying those black market bullets in the first place, and the fact that the quality standard for those bullets would be awful.

Meaning you already know it would be a failure?

Again, see "Nirvana Fallacy."

 

[TurtleDude]

You are literally denying well meaning people from the availability of bullets, while those with no regard for the law would still have them.

Also, those that have guns should train with it so they will be ready should a situation arise that they need to use it. I doubt you want someone with a CCW that has only fired his gun a handful of times to pull his weapon in public to defend you.

of course, most on the left who push for gun control only pretend that their goals are to disarm criminals. If that was true, they'd actually support laws that made things tougher on criminals. they don't-rather they push for laws designed to harass and inconvenience lawful gun owners. its all about politics

 

[sanman]

The so called assault weapons that were banned during the Clinton administration, a ban which expired during the Bush administration and has not since been renewed, are simply guns with certain cosmetic features. For instance, a semi automatic rifle that has features such as a pistol grip and an adjustable stock. Now, a semi auto rifle that had just a pistol grip was fine. A semi auto rifle that had just an adjustable stock was fine. But, if the semi auto rifle has both a pistol grip and an adjustable stock all of a sudden it becomes an assault weapon and is subject to the ban. So for anybody who is in favor of banning so called assault weapons, why would you want to ban a gun simply because it has both a pistol grip and an adjustable stock?

If you feel that criteria like grip and stock are too arbitrary, then maybe it's better to simply have a list of weapons which have been assessed as having sufficient offensive lethality that their ownership needs to be restricted or subject to some kind of character test.

 

[TurtleDude]

If you feel that criteria like grip and stock are too arbitrary, then maybe it's better to simply have a list of weapons which have been assessed as having sufficient offensive lethality that their ownership needs to be restricted or subject to some kind of character test.

again that proves ignorance on your part. a 12G shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot is brutal at close ranges against massed targets.

its worthless against a concealed sniper 200M away and a concealed sniper with a bolt action 5 shot sniper rifle can kill dozens of people in an urban environment if the sniper has a position of concealment and height. On the other hand-a guy carrying a bolt action SAKO sniper rifle with a 16 power scope isn't going to last very long if he tries to attack 200 citizens who are massed 10 yards away from him

so you need to understand that the "lethality" of a firearm depends on the environment

 

[Nap]

Answer me this: why would somebody with no regard for the law come after a law abiding citizen using a gun loaded with $1600 bullets? That's just super bad economic sense. Even if the gun is loaded with black market $100 bullets, the numbers still suck, especially when you add on top of that the risk of buying those black market bullets in the first place, and the fact that the quality standard for those bullets would be awful.



Again, see "Nirvana Fallacy."

Are you really going to argue criminals will use rational logic and economic sense? If they thought rationally they wouldn't be criminals in the first place.

Also, This would exponentially drive up the cost for the police ammunition as well giving them even less training.

 

[Cardinal]

Are you really going to argue criminals will use rational logic and economic sense? If they thought rationally they wouldn't be criminals in the first place.

Also, This would exponentially drive up the cost for the police ammunition as well giving them even less training.

I'm saying that $1600 bullets or black market $100 bullets (and all the risks that would ensue) would reduce access to those bullets and therefore reduce the opportunities to use them. Do you deny that?

 

[jdog21]

So 31 bullets in a clip at $200 a bullet? On second thought, that's really not as cost prohibitive as I would have hoped. If I really wanted to take out a dude and meant business, $6200 wouldn't slow me down for an instant. I think if you really wanted to make sure that the target had it coming, $50,000 for a clip would slow down everybody but Bruce Wayne. Therefore each bullet should cost $1600. In fact, you could probably bet on the shooter going up to his victim and asking for the bullets back.

People would just make their own. Its not that hard to make every single bullet they sell, So are you going to artifically raise the price of lead?

 

[Cardinal]

People would just make their own. Its not that hard to make every single bullet they sell, So are you going to artifically raise the price of lead?

Yeah, welcome to the conversation. We've covered that already.

 

[jdog21]

Yeah, welcome to the conversation. We've covered that already.

I read the black market stuff but I didnt see where the home bullet making was covered

 

[TurtleDude]

I read the black market stuff but I didnt see where the home bullet making was covered

Its not a sane or realistic argument to begin with

 

[Nap]

I'm saying that $1600 bullets or black market $100 bullets (and all the risks that would ensue) would reduce access to those bullets and therefore reduce the opportunities to use them. Do you deny that?

It would reduce the opportunities for legal buyers but not the black market. For one you have mass stockpiles already in private possession and it is not a difficult process to make your own bullets.

Are you going to be on board with increasing military spending for the police and military to acquire their ammunition?

 

[PleasantValley]

A weapon used for assaulting things.



Like my penis.

just easier to reload....or maybe not?

 

[PleasantValley]

I agree that these definitions are confusing and don't help, which is why I advocate that each bullet costs two hundred dollars. At that point, whether something is defined as an assault rifle, automatic, semi-automatic, or plasma phase rifle with a laser scope doesn't matter.

I am a Chris Rock fan too.

 

[Cardinal]

It would reduce the opportunities for legal buyers

Correct.

but not the black market.

See: Nirvana Fallacy.

For one you have mass stockpiles already in private possession and it is not a difficult process to make your own bullets.

So I've been told.

Are you going to be on board with increasing military spending for the police and military to acquire their ammunition?

That's not my concern.

 

[PleasantValley]

Can't verify, but looks about right ...

Thank God none of them have a bayonet lug on them.
I loose sleep at night when i see a bayonet lug.
So many crimes have been committed with bayonets attached to rifles with lugs on them it has become a national epidemic.

 

[Cardinal]

I am a Chris Rock fan too.

I was wondering when somebody would catch that. You have to admit that I was reasonable in dropping the price from $5000 to $1600 a bullet.

 

[OldFatGuy]

A couple of points that need to be pointed out before some people go totally out of whack:

- The AR in “AR-15” rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. “AR” does NOT stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle.”

- AR-15-style rifles are NOT “assault weapons” or “assault rifles.” An assault rifle is fully automatic — a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934.

Every weapon is an assault weapon. That is the entire point of a weapon, even if used for defense. Making the term a political exercise is a futile gesture of ignorance.

I carried an auto-knife in combat. A black ebony handle housing a blackened blade 2 1/2" wide, 8" long, total weight 2.2 lbs., a Toledo type steel. Place it up against the opponent at the center of his back, pull the trigger back with a light touch of the thumb, press the trigger with a second lite touch, and the internal steel spring releases the blade from the head of the handle at 200 psi right through the spine. The man doesn't know he's dead and neither does the devil, before slitting his throat for insurance. An assault knife. Excellent for removing a sentry at night. A surprise during hand to hand. It takes about 2-2 1/2lbs of psi to stab a human manually with a sharp pointed knife. A bit more if it is dull. Push the trigger forward, the blade slides back into the housing. Push down the trigger after pulling a slide to load the spring, the blade locks in place, all done with the thumb.

This knife was my Dad's. He used it during WWII. He bought it from a custom knife maker in Brooklyn. He bought it at age 12, for self protection. It cost him $2.80, two weeks of wages from his after school job in a shoe store bringing up shoes and bringing them back to the basement storage area as the customers requested them from salesmen for trying on. 1931. Better than any combat knife issued by the US Army in any war. I still have it, but don't carry it without reason. NYC law limits a pocket knife blade to 3 1/2". Sharp enough to slice a clove of garlic paper thin. Triggered stilettos are popular with European criminals. Yes, this is a stiletto.