Defensive gun use thread

[Rich2018]

I was in a high school today and had a pocket knife in my pocket. I was technically breaking school policy because they have a zero tolerance stance on weapons. Amazingly it was potable the whole time, although it was not permissible

Because pocket knives are easily concealable, and therefore portable -even in places where they're not permitted

Not so with a shotgun.

 

[Rich2018]

Rich, we both know that portability is a physical characteristic of an item. There is no legal context for portability. The legal context is in terms of permissibility.

Your refusal to acknowledge this just makes you look like an ideologue who is unwilling to admit error.

In a physical context yes. But not in a legal context.

You wouldn't pick a shotgun (or any long firearm for that matter) as an every day carry gun (if you do carry a firearm that is).

 

[RF667799]

What about an invisible shotgun? What about a box that contains something that is simultaneously a shotgun and not a shotgun?

 

[Rich2018]

What about an invisible shotgun? What about a box that contains something that is simultaneously a shotgun and not a shotgun?

By all means elaborate on you experience with invisible shotguns
As I thought, your "arguments" are based on fantasy.

 

[RF667799]

What about a shotgun made out of anti-portable material? It only becomes portable when it is carried into an area where it can't be carried.

It can only be carried when it can't.

We'll call it the Heller Special.

 

[Chillfolks]

Because pocket knives are easily concealable, and therefore portable -even in places where they're not permitted

Not so with a shotgun.

Your claim was if something is not to permitted to be carried it isn’t portable. I’ve just proven that to be a lie. So you can now admit you have been proven wrong tell the truth and move on with your life without this stupid ass portability lie.

 

[RF667799]

If a shotgun were to be carried into a non-portable zone, is there a limit to the mass it accumulates in its effort to become absolutely non-portable?

I guess what I'm asking is, can steel and aluminum alloys reach critical mass? Would a shotgun form a black hole under those circumstances? Or could its critical mass result in an explosion that tears apart the very fabric of the universe?

Guess it's a damn good thing nobody can carry a shotgun into a prohibited zone.

 

[Daddyo]

It is entertaining to me. I hate echo chambers.

I was in Tampa last month, should have Pm'ed you so I could have swung by and given you some business. Safe is kinda full right now so that is biggest issue. Lots of wants, no real needs.

That would have been very cool.

Where you from?

 

[Rich2018]

Your claim was if something is not to permitted to be carried it isn’t portable.

No, a hand gun is concealable so someone carrying one concealed might get away with carrying one in an area where firearms are prohibited
Note: I've never said that a hand gun wasn't portable

However a shotgun - of regulation length) is too big to be easily concealed and therefore is not portable in a legal context.

I’ve just proven that to be a lie. So you can now admit you have been proven wrong tell the truth and move on with your life without this stupid ass portability lie.

No, you've just proven that you don't read very well.

 

[JMB1911A1]

That would have been very cool.

Where you from?

Without revealing too much, just NW of the mouse. Near the big university. LOL.

 

[JMB1911A1]

No, a hand gun is concealable so someone carrying one concealed might get away with carrying one in an area where firearms are prohibited
Note: I've never said that a hand gun wasn't portable

However a shotgun - of regulation length) is too big to be easily concealed and therefore is not portable in a legal context.



No, you've just proven that you don't read very well.

Never heard of the Mossberg Shockwave have you? 26" long.
Firearm:


Holster:


Duster Coat:


One legally concealed portable shotgun.

 

[Rich2018]

Never heard of the Mossberg Shockwave have you? 26" long.
Firearm:
View attachment 67463058

Holster:
View attachment 67463055

Duster Coat:
View attachment 67463057

One legally concealed portable shotgun.

The shotgun used by Madmax in the movie of the same name was concealable if you wore a large coat too

That's also atypical of most shotguns.

 

[Chillfolks]

No, a hand gun is concealable so someone carrying one concealed might get away with carrying one in an area where firearms are prohibited
Note: I've never said that a hand gun wasn't portable

However a shotgun - of regulation length) is too big to be easily concealed and therefore is not portable in a legal context.



No, you've just proven that you don't read very well.

No the problem is you made a claim it was proven wrong and instead of admitting your error you doubled down on the lie by moving the goal posts. It’s a well established dishonest tactic you resort to. Your lies will not go unchallenged.

 

[RF667799]

A handgun carried concealed is portable.

The same handgun carried openly is not portable.

Twilight Zone logic.

 

[JMB1911A1]

The shotgun used by Madmax in the movie of the same name was concealable if you wore a large coat too

That's also atypical of most shotguns.

The shotgun used by Mad Max was a sawed off shotgun pistol. That is defined under the NFA as an AOW (All Other Weapons). The Shockwave is over the counter legal without going through the NFA.

 

[Daddyo]

If a shotgun were to be carried into a non-portable zone, is there a limit to the mass it accumulates in its effort to become absolutely non-portable?

I guess what I'm asking is, can steel and aluminum alloys reach critical mass? Would a shotgun form a black hole under those circumstances? Or could its critical mass result in an explosion that tears apart the very fabric of the universe?

Guess it's a damn good thing nobody can carry a shotgun into a prohibited zone.

The man is ****ing playing you guys. He is laughing at how he has you wasting your time answering his idiotic posts. It was fun for a while then a few points later it was just a waste.

 

[Daddyo]

Without revealing too much, just NW of the mouse. Near the big university. LOL.

Sweet just making sure you are a Florida resident for buying those goodies lol.

 

[Rich2018]

No the problem is you made a claim it was proven wrong and instead of admitting your error you doubled down on the lie by moving the goal posts. It’s a well established dishonest tactic you resort to. Your lies will not go unchallenged.

Nope, I said that shotguns aren't portable in a legal context
Not hand guns, not pocket knives....because they are concealable, whereas a shotgun is hard to conceal (not counting highly customized ones that are cut down to the size of a hand gun)

So stop lying.

 

[Rich2018]

The shotgun used by Mad Max was a sawed off shotgun pistol. That is defined under the NFA as an AOW (All Other Weapons). The Shockwave is over the counter legal without going through the NFA.

Yes and as such is more easily concealed.

 

[Chillfolks]

Nope, I said that shotguns aren't portable in a legal context
Not hand guns, not pocket knives....because they are concealable, whereas a shotgun is hard to conceal (not counting highly customized ones that are cut down to the size of a hand gun)

So stop lying.

Did you forget what you have said? Here I will quote you for accuracy

Not permissible means you can't carry them there

If something cannot be carried, it is not portable is it ?

I showed you that yes an item can still be portable even if is not permissible, Even in a legal context.

Then carry something, in a place where it is prohibited to so so
And find out first hand what the limits of portability are, in a legal context.

I did, and I am going to do it again today just to see if yesterday it was a fluke or will that none permissible item still remain portable. I’ll report my finds later this afternoon

 

[RF667799]

I wonder who wrote this:

Nope, a shotgun is not portable any way you cut it...

 

[Rich2018]

I wonder who wrote this:

Nope, a shotgun is not portable any way you cut it...

Oh look, RF667799 CAN go back and search the thread when it suits him

A regulation shotgun is not portable in a legal context - because they're so hard to conceal.

 

[Rich2018]

Did you forget what you have said? Here I will quote you for accuracy

Not permissible means you can't carry it
Of course if no-one knows you're carrying a prohibited item, you can get away with it

What makes a shot non-portable, in a legal context, is that it's so hard to conceal it. So people will KNOW you're breaking the rules.

I showed you that yes an item can still be portable even if is not permissible, Even in a legal context.

And I agree

However if that item is a shotgun, it is not (regulation size shotgun that is).

I did, and I am going to do it again today just to see if yesterday it was a fluke or will that none permissible item still remain portable. I’ll report my finds later this afternoon

Try it with a shotgun and learn the difference first hand.

 

[Chillfolks]

Not permissible means you can't carry it
Of course if no-one knows you're carrying a prohibited item, you can get away with it

What makes a shot non-portable, in a legal context, is that it's so hard to conceal it. So people will KNOW you're breaking the rules.

You contradict yourself and prove your point wrong. If you carrying an item it’s portable and you just admitted if no one knew you were carrying you could get away with it. Making it portable i that stupidity legal context you keep bringing up

However if that item is a shotgun, it is not (regulation size shotgun that is).


Try it with a shotgun and learn the difference first hand.

You asked me to carry a prohibited item a place I was t allowed to and find out first hand about the legal context of portability and two days in a row it was portable if not permissible. Now you want to move the goal posts and say try it with a shotgun. There is no need to we already know that even if you are not permitted to take a gun on school property people do it, yea eve shotguns, sometimes with tragic results.

 

[Rich2018]

If you carrying an item it’s portable and you just admitted if no one knew you were carrying you could get away with it. Making it portable i that stupidity legal context you keep bringing up

Yes

The reason why shotguns are NOT portable (in a legal sense) but a small hand gun is, is simply because shotguns are so hard to conceal
This is why I've never said that hand guns are not portable

Is this clearer for you ?

You asked me to carry a prohibited item a place I was t allowed to and find out first hand about the legal context of portability and two days in a row it was portable if not permissible. Now you want to move the goal posts and say try it with a shotgun. There is no need to we already know that even if you are not permitted to take a gun on school property people do it, yea eve shotguns, sometimes with tragic results.

No, I didn't "ask" you to do anything
I told you that if you were to carry a shotgun in an area where they were prohibited, you would find out first hand the limits of their portability

Stop trying to put words in my mouth.