Defending Yourself In Your Home: Is it right?

[kenvin]

this thread is embarrassing to you LMAO
why are you so dishonest

why do you dodge the question, I thought it was hilarious you tryint to tell goshin the law, you know he was a LEO right? LMAO
you are clueless dude. You are CLEARLY confusing your opinions with facts and what people are actually saying with made up scenarios in your head. Its very weird.


maybe you jsut have ADD or something because you have series comprehension isses.

I said the guy threw the brick to break in :laughat:

so no man up and answer the questions and stop making a fool of yourself LOL

all you have to say is yes or no, THATS IT lol but im guessing youll dodge it again.

right now in PA. If a person throws a brick threw a glass door to break in, is that a legal threat?

Depends on the facts. Facts such as who, why, how, when etc matter a great deal. Can't judge a case with out the facts.

So just give us your hypothetical and I can judge if I think it was a threat. Just saying someone threw a brick threw a door isn't enough info to decide if they should die.

 

[AGENT J]

Depends on the facts. Facts such as who, why, how, when etc matter a great deal. Can't judge a case with out the facts.

So just give us your hypothetical and I can judge if I think it was a threat. Just saying someone threw a brick threw a door isn't enough info to decide if they should die.

thats not what I said at all, why do you lie? do you think anybody buys your lies LMAO

ill will ask again and keep asking until you man up and answer. The fact is YOU DO NOT need more info and if you think you do it proves how clueless about the law you are.

so AGAIN:

right now in PA. If a person throws a brick threw a glass door to break in, is that a legal threat?

stop! go back and read it again and understand what you are reading.

no answer yes or no.

 

[kenvin]

thats not what I said at all, why do you lie? do you think anybody buys your lies LMAO

ill will ask again and keep asking until you man up and answer. The fact is YOU DO NOT need more info and if you think you do it proves how clueless about the law you are.

so AGAIN:

right now in PA. If a person throws a brick threw a glass door to break in, is that a legal threat?

stop! go back and read it again and understand what you are reading.

no answer yes or no.

Do they think someone is home or do they think the house is empty? Did they plan to grab something visible through the door or did they plan to search. Are they armed? What time is it?

With no other info I can't say.

 

[taxigirl]

Do they think someone is home or do they think the house is empty? Did they plan to grab something visible through the door or did they plan to search. Are they armed? What time is it?

With no other info I can't say.

In these cases it does not matter what their intent was. What matters is if you felt threatened and if a reasonable person would have felt threatened.

 

[kenvin]

In these cases it does not matter what their intent was. What matters is if you felt threatened and if a reasonable person would have felt threatened.

Well with out more info how can I tell if it is reasonable to feel threatened. Who threw it, why, when, were they armed, how old they are, what sex they are all matter.

 

[AGENT J]

Do they think someone is home or do they think the house is empty? Did they plan to grab something visible through the door or did they plan to search. Are they armed? What time is it?

With no other info I can't say.

"Do they think someone is home or do they think the house is empty?: DOES NOT MATTER
" Did they plan to grab something visible through the door or did they plan to search." DOES NOT MATTER
" Are they armed?" DOES NOT MATTER
" What time is it? " DOES NOT MATTER

with each post you prove how little you know and expose yourself even more for dodging the question. Trust me the info I provided is ALL you need.

YES or NO

 

[MaggieD]

Well with out more info how can I tell if it is reasonable to feel threatened. Who threw it, why, when, were they armed, how old they are, what sex they are all matter.

Good Lord!! Here's your scenerio...a large rock is thrown through your patio door window.

Before you make any decision, you're going to ask:

"Who are you?"
"Why did you do that?"
"Do you have a gun?"
"How old are you?"
"Oh, and are you male or female?"

By the time you got "Who" out of your mouth, you'd be dead. Lordy-Lordy.

 

[MaggieD]

"Do they think someone is home or do they think the house is empty?: DOES NOT MATTER
" Did they plan to grab something visible through the door or did they plan to search." DOES NOT MATTER
" Are they armed?" DOES NOT MATTER
" What time is it? " DOES NOT MATTER

with each post you prove how little you know and expose yourself even more for dodging the question. Trust me the info I provided is ALL you need.

YES or NO

I don't know why we're bothering. Must be a slow night.

 

[Goshin]

Good Lord!! Here's your scenerio...a large rock is thrown through your patio door window.

Before you make any decision, you're going to ask:

"Who are you?"
"Why did you do that?"
"Do you have a gun?"
"How old are you?"
"Oh, and are you male or female?"

By the time you got "Who" out of your mouth, you'd be dead. Lordy-Lordy.

Bingo. :yt

 

[kenvin]

"Do they think someone is home or do they think the house is empty?: DOES NOT MATTER
" Did they plan to grab something visible through the door or did they plan to search." DOES NOT MATTER
" Are they armed?" DOES NOT MATTER
" What time is it? " DOES NOT MATTER

with each post you prove how little you know and expose yourself even more for dodging the question. Trust me the info I provided is ALL you need.

YES or NO

If I were on the jury deciding if someone should go to jail for murder and the only info I have to go on is a brick goes through a glass door then the homeowner shoots to kill. I would refuse to reach a vertict as no way in hell is that enough to go on.

 

[kenvin]

Good Lord!! Here's your scenerio...a large rock is thrown through your patio door window.

Before you make any decision, you're going to ask:

"Who are you?"
"Why did you do that?"
"Do you have a gun?"
"How old are you?"
"Oh, and are you male or female?"

By the time you got "Who" out of your mouth, you'd be dead. Lordy-Lordy.

Is the person blind? Why wouldnt' they able to determine approximate age, sex etc just by looking. Also, yelling get the hell out of here wouldnt' be a bad idea. I am against blind people shooting at things.

Also, you left out the part where they had a gun to shoot you before you could say who. That is important info.

 

[AGENT J]

I don't know why we're bothering. Must be a slow night.

lol you are right! and SOMETIMES, i just cant help myself, I like the entertianment

 

[MaggieD]

Is the person blind? Why wouldnt' they able to determine approximate age, sex etc just by looking. Also, yelling get the hell out of here wouldnt' be a bad idea. I am against blind people shooting at things.

Also, you left out the part where they had a gun to shoot you before you could say who. That is important info.

Oh, my gosh, Kenvin, had I known you were blind . . . that explains it.

 

[AGENT J]

If I were on the jury deciding if someone should go to jail for murder and the only info I have to go on is a brick goes through a glass door then the homeowner shoots to kill. I would refuse to reach a vertict as no way in hell is that enough to go on.

dont worry you would NEVER make it to jury duty, im sure in the prescreening questions they would probably excort you from the building.

And why do you lie? a brick through the windo is NOT thwe only info you have?

its a break through the window with the intention of breaking in, I said this repeatedly, this is why I wonder how old you are and if you have ADD.

And no im not insulting you I honeslty wonder because I have said it like 15 times and somehow you read something different every time LOL

no answer the question! lol

right now in PA. If a person throws a brick threw a glass door to break in, is that a legal threat?

 

[TurtleDude]

Is the person blind? Why wouldnt' they able to determine approximate age, sex etc just by looking. Also, yelling get the hell out of here wouldnt' be a bad idea. I am against blind people shooting at things.

Also, you left out the part where they had a gun to shoot you before you could say who. That is important info.

you've been in a bunch of gunfights, etc right?

 

[kenvin]

dont worry you would NEVER make it to jury duty, im sure in the prescreening questions they would probably excort you from the building.

And why do you lie? a brick through the windo is NOT thwe only info you have?

its a break through the window with the intention of breaking in, I said this repeatedly, this is why I wonder how old you are and if you have ADD.

And no im not insulting you I honeslty wonder because I have said it like 15 times and somehow you read something different every time LOL

no answer the question! lol

right now in PA. If a person throws a brick threw a glass door to break in, is that a legal threat?

I have no idea.

 

[kenvin]

you've been in a bunch of gunfights, etc right?

No I sure have not.

What does that have to do with being able to determine if a brick through a door with no other info is enough to determine if someone is justified to kill?

 

[AGENT J]

I have no idea.

I knew that pages ago and that answer is true about most of the topics being discussed here.

The answer is YES it is a legal threat.

Its a legal threat because the law states in PA any unlawful entry that is "violent" IE shouldering a door repeatedly, ramming in a garage door with a vehicle, beating in a window with a ball bat, etc etc as supposed to picking a lock or lifting a unlocked window is considered a legal threat and can be met with lethal force.

 

[TurtleDude]

No I sure have not.

What does that have to do with being able to determine if a brick through a door with no other info is enough to determine if someone is justified to kill?

As you know I don't ask questions that I do not already know the answer to

Here is the deal. Someone throws a brick through my window, at a time that a home would normally be occupied I would consider that person to engaged in an act INTENDED To cause me or mine imminent bodily harm. Now if he was running away I would not shoot him. If it appeared that he was not retreating I would kill him because that would be consistent with someone waiting to see the results of his ATTACK.

 

[kenvin]

I know that pages ago and that answer is true about most of the topics being discussed here.

The answer is YES it is a legal threat.

Its a legal threat because the law states in PA any unlawful entry that is "violent" IE shouldering a door repeatedly, ramming in a garage door with a vehicle, beating in a window with a ball bat, etc etc as supposed to picking a lock or lifting a unlocked window is considered a legal threat and can be met with lethal force.

Not true it will depend of the facts as established by a police investigation. If you kill someone that isn't a threat you will have problems. This is just common sense. So with out the actual details of an actual case or actual info from a formed hypothetical nothing can be determined. castle laws are not a license to kill.

 

[TurtleDude]

Not true it will depend of the facts as established by a police investigation. If you kill someone that isn't a threat you will have problems. This is just common sense. So with out the actual details of an actual case or actual info from a formed hypothetical nothing can be determined. castle laws are not a license to kill.

You are wrong-again. The issue is not whether they were a threat. Its whether you have a REASONABLE belief they were a threat. A guy pointing a cap or air soft gun at me is no threat but I can shoot him if I thought the gun was real

 

[kenvin]

As you know I don't ask questions that I do not already know the answer to

Here is the deal. Someone throws a brick through my window, at a time that a home would normally be occupied I would consider that person to engaged in an act INTENDED To cause me or mine imminent bodily harm. Now if he was running away I would not shoot him. If it appeared that he was not retreating I would kill him because that would be consistent with someone waiting to see the results of his ATTACK.

Waiting to see the results of throwing a brick through a door. Perhaps they wanted to see if anyone was home? It all depends on the facts. It all depends on a multitude of info we don't have.

 

[TurtleDude]

Waiting to see the results of throwing a brick through a door. Perhaps they wanted to see if anyone was home? It all depends on the facts. It all depends on a multitude of info we don't have.

If you know the law, unless they run away right after doing it you can probably blast them and walk

 

[kenvin]

You are wrong-again. The issue is not whether they were a threat. Its whether you have a REASONABLE belief they were a threat. A guy pointing a cap or air soft gun at me is no threat but I can shoot him if I thought the gun was real

True. I just don't feel like saying threat or reasonable belief of threat. In the future lets let the word threat count for both. Yes a guy pointing a fake gun would be a threat, but a fake gun is not a brick through a window. Hell the guy in that hypothetical doesn't even have the brick anymore as he threw it. It just depends on what the facts are. The police will investigate and determine those facts.

 

[AGENT J]

Not true it will depend of the facts as established by a police investigation. If you kill someone that isn't a threat you will have problems. This is just common sense. So with out the actual details of an actual case or actual info from a formed hypothetical nothing can be determined. castle laws are not a license to kill.

the law disagrees with you in PA, according to LAW if they break in violently that is a legal threat so your opinoin is meaningless and has no valid, logical, true, rational, objective or factual support what so ever based on what i described.

If you would like to make up your own scenario feel free, in mine its 100% true that it would be a legal threat :shrug:

make 1000 more posts why you disagree, if its based on MY example you will be wrong every time and this fact was true yesterday, is true today and will be true tomorrow

now please wipe the egg off your face and quite making a fool of yourself

more nonsense in your post that NOBODY argued against:
If you kill someone that isn't a threat you will have problems. This is just common sense. NO ONE SAID DIFFERENT
castle laws are not a license to kill. again NO ONE SAID DIFFERENT

I have never seen anyboyd as out of touch with what is actually being said as you.

PLEASE tell me your age and what you have? ADD? slight autism? and again Im dead serious, i apologize if you take offense as thats not my intent, im just very curious, its really the only thing that explains you lack of perception and how scatter brain you are and oblivious to what you are reading.