Deconstructing Racial Resentment - The Nazis and Apartheid regimes looked to America for inspiration

[Dans La Lune]

"...to give people a sense of it, in terms of perspective, the Nazis, when looking to institute their dominant versus subordinate caste, looked to America's racial system of segregation and caste and thought it too severe."

"It's gut-wrenching to realize that the Nazis didn't need anyone to teach them how to hate, that they had down pat. But when they were looking for justification, and the jurisprudence and a legal framework on which to build reasoning, presumably rationality to do what they were ultimately going to do, they actually looked to this country [America], first of all, for the definition of race. I mean, it turned out that our country led the world, sadly, in finding ways to categorize people on the basis of the social construct known as race. And through those laws, they had blood laws, the laws that said, you know, if you had one drop of black blood, you were black. In others they were say one quarter of Chinese blood made you Chinese. The United States had extensive jurisprudence and the Nazis looked all over the world, and it turned out that they had to come to this country."

"We often look to South Africa as a country that has an extreme case of racial hierarchy, but they actually looked to the United States as well."

 

[Rickeroo]

"We often look to South Africa as a country that has an extreme case of racial hierarchy, but they actually looked to the United States as well."

This is quite interesting, as SA demonstrates what happens when a society determines that one has to be of a certain race to be successful, or that one race depends on another for it's fortunes. SA's Blacks are waiting around until white South Africans make things better for them, which of course won't happen and a 'disparity' remains.

In the US, Asians and Jews are supposedly made fun of by whites, yet those two racial groups don't sit around waiting around for whites to make their lives better: They simply outperform whites through their own actions. A Jewish or Asian family would never disgrace themselves by explaining to their children that they need to wait around for white people to stop making fun of them in order for them to be successful.

 

[jnug]

"...to give people a sense of it, in terms of perspective, the Nazis, when looking to institute their dominant versus subordinate caste, looked to America's racial system of segregation and caste and thought it too severe."

"It's gut-wrenching to realize that the Nazis didn't need anyone to teach them how to hate, that they had down pat. But when they were looking for justification, and the jurisprudence and a legal framework on which to build reasoning, presumably rationality to do what they were ultimately going to do, they actually looked to this country [America], first of all, for the definition of race. I mean, it turned out that our country led the world, sadly, in finding ways to categorize people on the basis of the social construct known as race. And through those laws, they had blood laws, the laws that said, you know, if you had one drop of black blood, you were black. In others they were say one quarter of Chinese blood made you Chinese. The United States had extensive jurisprudence and the Nazis looked all over the world, and it turned out that they had to come to this country."

"We often look to South Africa as a country that has an extreme case of racial hierarchy, but they actually looked to the United States as well."

Deconstructing Racial Resentment - The Nazis and Apartheid regimes looked to America for inspiration​

Which by the way is another item that counts against this nonsense that the US was an exporter of White Supremacy. We were so unmotivated by the idea of White Supremacy on a global scale that the NAZI's had to extract it. Global White Supremacy was a British thing and a Belgian thing. To some extent a French thing.

Now domestic US white supremacy....now you are talking'. That is a different story.

 

[Dans La Lune]

This is quite interesting, as SA demonstrates what happens when a society determines that one has to be of a certain race to be successful, or that one race depends on another for it's fortunes. SA's Blacks are waiting around until white South Africans make things better for them, which of course won't happen and a 'disparity' remains.

In the US, Asians and Jews are supposedly made fun of by whites, yet those two racial groups don't sit around waiting around for whites to make their lives better: They simply outperform whites through their own actions. A Jewish or Asian family would never disgrace themselves by explaining to their children that they need to wait around for white people to stop making fun of them in order for them to be successful.

Wow. That's what you got from the video and quotes?

 

[Rickeroo]

Wow. That's what you got from the video and quotes?

The quotes yes. Take this one: "In others they were say one quarter of Chinese blood made you Chinese".

We can certainly demean Asians and Jews, but it's up to Asians and Jews themselves if they want to "live up" to the definition that white people happen to give them. Asians and Jews don't bother with white definitions or white concepts. They do their own thing, and they are successful at it.

Imagine if white people depended on Blacks or Jews for affirmation or acceptance: whites don't need "other races", neither do Asians or Jews. Of course, races "needing" affirmation from other races is a contrived social construct for political purposes.

 

[Tigerace117]

This is quite interesting, as SA demonstrates what happens when a society determines that one has to be of a certain race to be successful, or that one race depends on another for it's fortunes. SA's Blacks are waiting around until white South Africans make things better for them, which of course won't happen and a 'disparity' remains.

In the US, Asians and Jews are supposedly made fun of by whites, yet those two racial groups don't sit around waiting around for whites to make their lives better: They simply outperform whites through their own actions. A Jewish or Asian family would never disgrace themselves by explaining to their children that they need to wait around for white people to stop making fun of them in order for them to be successful.

You do realize that apartheid was a LOT more than people “being made fun of” right?

It was a systematic, massive campaign of repression which prevented non white South Africans from having basically any rights at all.

 

[element94]

This is quite interesting, as SA demonstrates what happens when a society determines that one has to be of a certain race to be successful, or that one race depends on another for it's fortunes. SA's Blacks are waiting around until white South Africans make things better for them, which of course won't happen and a 'disparity' remains.

In the US, Asians and Jews are supposedly made fun of by whites, yet those two racial groups don't sit around waiting around for whites to make their lives better: They simply outperform whites through their own actions. A Jewish or Asian family would never disgrace themselves by explaining to their children that they need to wait around for white people to stop making fun of them in order for them to be successful.

Interesting, though, that it was blacks that were enslaved in America en masse and then kept down by white society for a century after they were "freed".

 

[code1211]

"...to give people a sense of it, in terms of perspective, the Nazis, when looking to institute their dominant versus subordinate caste, looked to America's racial system of segregation and caste and thought it too severe."

"It's gut-wrenching to realize that the Nazis didn't need anyone to teach them how to hate, that they had down pat. But when they were looking for justification, and the jurisprudence and a legal framework on which to build reasoning, presumably rationality to do what they were ultimately going to do, they actually looked to this country [America], first of all, for the definition of race. I mean, it turned out that our country led the world, sadly, in finding ways to categorize people on the basis of the social construct known as race. And through those laws, they had blood laws, the laws that said, you know, if you had one drop of black blood, you were black. In others they were say one quarter of Chinese blood made you Chinese. The United States had extensive jurisprudence and the Nazis looked all over the world, and it turned out that they had to come to this country."

"We often look to South Africa as a country that has an extreme case of racial hierarchy, but they actually looked to the United States as well."

Who spoke the words you posted here?

 

[Dans La Lune]

Who spoke the words you posted here?

Jon Stewart, often quoting Isabel Wilkerson, or Isabel Wilkerson.

What she said isn't new.

What America Taught the Nazis

In the 1930s, the Germans were fascinated by the global leader in legal racism—the United States.

www.theatlantic.com

Why the Nazis Loved America

The terrible history of racist laws

time.com

What the Nazis Learned from America - Public Books

Until the recent presidential election cycle, most of us had never heard of the “alt-right.” To those of us who had (likely because we spend too much time on …

www.publicbooks.org

What the Nazis Learned From America’s Indian Removal

“The Volga must be our Mississippi,” Hitler declared in his pursuit of Lebensraum and liquidation.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[Dans La Lune]

The quotes yes. Take this one: "In others they were say one quarter of Chinese blood made you Chinese".

We can certainly demean Asians and Jews, but it's up to Asians and Jews themselves if they want to "live up" to the definition that white people happen to give them. Asians and Jews don't bother with white definitions or white concepts. They do their own thing, and they are successful at it.

Imagine if white people depended on Blacks or Jews for affirmation or acceptance: whites don't need "other races", neither do Asians or Jews. Of course, races "needing" affirmation from other races is a contrived social construct for political purposes.

The idea that someone could walkaway from this thread thinking that blacks just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps is beyond the pale.

 

[Rickeroo]

The idea that someone could walkaway from this thread thinking that blacks just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps is beyond the pale.

Detroit, Baltimore and South Africa don't think that, and that's why they are failed states.

 

[code1211]

Jon Stewart, often quoting Isabel Wilkerson, or Isabel Wilkerson.

What she said isn't new.

What America Taught the Nazis

In the 1930s, the Germans were fascinated by the global leader in legal racism—the United States.

www.theatlantic.com

Why the Nazis Loved America

The terrible history of racist laws

time.com

What the Nazis Learned from America - Public Books

Until the recent presidential election cycle, most of us had never heard of the “alt-right.” To those of us who had (likely because we spend too much time on …

www.publicbooks.org

What the Nazis Learned From America’s Indian Removal

“The Volga must be our Mississippi,” Hitler declared in his pursuit of Lebensraum and liquidation.

www.thedailybeast.com

So an irrational ideologue was quoted by a partisan ideologue?

 

[jnug]

So an irrational ideologue was quoted by a partisan ideologue?

There is nothing irrational about it. We had chattel slavery here for centuries followed by the failed Reconstruction which set the stage for the adoption of the racial standards of inequality exhibited in the South taken to an institutional and national level. That dovetailed nicely with Eugenics which became the cornerstone of Virginia's Racial Integrity Act of 1924 among other things. The Virginia Law stayed in effect till 1967 when it was overturned by the SC.

Then there is the genocide committed on Native Americans that would deserve its own post if not its own thread.

Eugenics for its part was forwarded by Englishman, Francis Galton. But it was weaponized using sterilization as its practical tool of choice in the good ole' USA. Then the German NAZI's got ahold of it and conducted wholesale sterilizations on a grand scale. When you can look down and only find the German NAZI's of the mid-20th century its nothing to be proud of.

Its our uncanny ability to weaponize, institutionalize and nationalize these whack job notions of race and genetics on a fast track into practical application that is distinctly American. While IMO we did not attempt to export it we provide the examples for those countries with global intentions regarding genetics and superiority and ultimately white supremacy and then a caste system within even the white race.

Its that good ole' fashioned American ingenuity. We don't make the best shit in the world. But nobody makes decent shit and fast tracks it into mass production better and faster than we do.

Now you can go ahead and ignore the oppressive nature of such a social system if you choose. Its STILL a free country for now. Though under the guise of being "freedom loving" there is considerable momentum in this country for robbing freedoms away from certain classes of people even more. IMO if you do choose to ignore the enduring oppressive nature of the social system of race and genetics we have weaponized and institutionalized in this country, you just look the greater fool or the more unscrupulous. Take your pick.

But hey....."Just pick yourself up by your bootstraps" has a nice ring to it.

 

[code1211]

There is nothing irrational about it. We had chattel slavery here for centuries followed by the failed Reconstruction which set the stage for the adoption of the racial standards of inequality exhibited in the South taken to an institutional and national level. That dovetailed nicely with Eugenics which became the cornerstone of Virginia's Racial Integrity Act of 1924 among other things. The Virginia Law stayed in effect till 1967 when it was overturned by the SC.

Then there is the genocide committed on Native Americans that would deserve its own post if not its own thread.

Eugenics for its part was forwarded by Englishman, Francis Galton. But it was weaponized using sterilization as its practical tool of choice in the good ole' USA. Then the German NAZI's got ahold of it and conducted wholesale sterilizations on a grand scale. When you can look down and only find the German NAZI's of the mid-20th century its nothing to be proud of.

Its our uncanny ability to weaponize, institutionalize and nationalize these whack job notions of race and genetics on a fast track into practical application that is distinctly American. While IMO we did not attempt to export it we provide the examples for those countries with global intentions regarding genetics and superiority and ultimately white supremacy and then a caste system within even the white race.

Its that good ole' fashioned American ingenuity. We don't make the best shit in the world. But nobody makes decent shit and fast tracks it into mass production better and faster than we do.

Now you can go ahead and ignore the oppressive nature of such a social system if you choose. Its STILL a free country for now. Though under the guise of being "freedom loving" there is considerable momentum in this country for robbing freedoms away from certain classes of people even more. IMO if you do choose to ignore the enduring oppressive nature of the social system of race and genetics we have weaponized and institutionalized in this country, you just look the greater fool or the more unscrupulous. Take your pick.

But hey....."Just pick yourself up by your bootstraps" has a nice ring to it.

You cite historical events and ideas and facts.

How do these relate to the world today?