Declassified Transcripts of Flynn-Kislyak Calls Released (1 Viewer)

[W_Heisenberg]

They said they couldn't prove it was false.

Cite where you think they couldn't prove it was false.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Yet, they dropped the case on McGahn's testimony, so again, you are operating on outdated information.

Do you have anything newer than 2 weeks ago?

I'm all ears.

House tells Supreme Court its investigation into possible impeachable offenses isn't over

WASHINGTON – House Democrats told the Supreme Court that it needs grand jury evidence from the Russia probe as they continue to investigate whether President Donald Trump had committed additional impeachable offenses.

 

[Termn8or]

The FBI didn't make Flynn lie.

Flynn is a big boy.

Flynn is 61 years old.

Flynn is responsible for his own behavior, just like anyone else.

If Flynn didn't want to get in trouble for making false statements to the FBI then he shouldn't have made false statements to the FBI.

Guys...this isn't complicated.

Just about all of which is garbage.

The Mueller hack prosecutor had to resign and why a US Attorney is conducting a criminal investigation into this abuse of power and many related crimes.

 

[Termn8or]

Flynn had not delegated the authority to engage in diplomacy on behalf of the United States. That is what he was doing, and that is why what he was doing was wrong.

Oh my, "wrong."

Except that what Flynn did is very common with a new incoming admniistration.

I've cited evidence of actual crimes by Mueller and his hacks and high Obama officials.

Are you blind that you didn't see that evidence?:doh

 

[Athanasius68]

Yes, to get to the truth of a broader investigation by using the FARA prosecutions to flip Trump associates. An investigation which Trump and his associates tried to discourage at various points by hiding and destroying evidence (this is in the Mueller report as well).

Roll em up. all the way to the top.

The witnesses with respect to Mrs. Clinton were given immunity out of the box.
Again-- just pointing out the disparity.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Not in Flynn's case they didn't.

I pasted it earlier. The opening memo. Did you not read the opening memo? I have to post it again?

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...smiss/fa06f5e13a0ec71843b6/optimized/full.pdf

*sigh*

Let's do it again.

Open your PDF to page 28:

The FBI is opening a full investigation based on an factual basis that reasonably indicates that CROSSFIRE RAZOR ( CR ) may wittingly or unwittingly be involved in activity on behalf of the Russian federation which may constitute a federal crime or threat to the nationalsecurity. The FBI is predicatingthe investigation on predeterminedcriteria set forth by the CROSSFIRE HURRICANE investigativeteam based on an assessment of reliable lead information received during the course of the investigation. Specifically, CR has been citedas an adviser to the Trump team on foreign policy issues February 2016; he has ties to various state-affiliated entities of Russian Federation , as reported by open source information ; and he traveled to Russia in December 2015 , as reported by open source information . Additionally, CR has an active TS / SCI clearance . The goal of the investigation is to determine whether the captioned subject, associated with the Trump Team , is being directed and controlled by and/or coordinating activities with the Russian Federation in a manner which may be a threat to the national security and / or possibly a violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act , 18 U . S . section 951 et seq or other related statutes . | As the captioned subject is prominent in a domestic political campaign , the FBI has categorized this investigation as a sensitive investigative matter (SIM) and considered the factors set forth in DIOG 10 . 1. 3 . Based on the facts and circumstances provided to date, the FBI believes that opening this investigation on captioned subject is the least intrusive method to addressee the serious national security risk posed by the activities alleged

Again, you have failed understand, you read it, but you aren't trying to even begin to understand. The problem is violations of civil rights. No matter how bad you think someone is they have to keep their rights or next time, it happens to someone you support.

No U.S. citizen has the right to not be investigated.

You have a mistaken notion about how law enforcement in the U.S. works.

Flynn, in particular, engaged in a VOLUNTARY interview, where he, himself, discouraged the attendance of White House counsel.

Flynn's rights were not violated.

Barr -- in his motion to dismiss -- did not bring up any violation of Flynn's constitutional rights.

Your arguments in this regard are based on pro-Trump propaganda and have little relation to the facts.

Evidence WAS collected improperly

Not with respect to Flynn.

there WERE mistakes made in getting warrants

Not with respect to Flynn.

Page's status WAS lied about to gain FISA warrants

That was 2 out of 500 warrants.

Let's recap how broad the investigation was:

Mueller report: The Trump campaign investigation by the numbers

675: The number of days from when Mueller was appointed to the day he turned in his report to Barr.

- 34: people indicted as a result of Mueller's investigation, including Russian nationals and several former Trump aides and advisors.

- 19: lawyers who were employed by the special counsel's office, according to a letter Barr sent to Congress on Sunday.

- About 40 FBI agents, intelligence analysts, forensic accountants and other staff that assisted with the investigation.

- More than 2,800 subpoenas issued by the Special Counsel's office, that's an average of at least four per day.

- Nearly 500 search warrants executed.

- More than 230 orders for communication records.

- Nearly 50 authorized orders for the use of pen registers, a tool that lets the government know who someone is communicating with and when, but not what they said.

- 13 evidence requests to foreign governments

- 500 witnesses interviewed

- $25 million in posted costs as of February

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There was more to the investigation than the Page FISA warrants.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

If they did things that warranted scrutiny no one should have had to bend the rules to get information, warrants, and get confessions. But they DID.

They did for 2 out of the 500 warrants.

And Horowitz looked into it.

Horowitz said Crossfire Hurricane was adequately predicated.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

What is being said is that the folks in the Obama DOJ and DNI (Clapper, McCabe, Brennan) have all testified that they saw no evidence that the Trump campaign was conspiring with Russia.

They did not say this. They did not say there was "no evidence" that the Trump campaign was conspiring with Russia.

I am a very patient person but the fact you are consistently lying about this in support of Trump is quite tiresome.

 

[Athanasius68]

They did not say this. They did not say there was "no evidence" that the Trump campaign was conspiring with Russia.

I am a very patient person but the fact you are consistently lying about this in support of Trump is quite tiresome.

They actually did. They were all asked that same question.
And all said "No."

 

[W_Heisenberg]

It may have simply been a misunderstanding. If Trump is somehow supposed to be a Russian agent along with Flynn, then why would they lie about conversation with Russian ambassador?

All of this could be easily and quickly resolved with a very short conversation with two FBI agents (where the person being interviewed is not lying his *** off).

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Which lie do you want to stick with? That they knew or that they had to find out?

To know a thing for sure, with respect to some criminal or counterintelligence issue, oftentimes they have to....do any investigation. That's the whole point of doing investigations.

You always seem to hang your arguments on things that they did wrong. Its what happens when you do things for political reasons not because they are the right thing to do.

It is silly, given the huge amount of evidence, to think that the FBI should not have initiated Crossfire Hurricane. The FBI would have been negligent in its duty to protect the U.S. had it ignored all the indications that the Russian government was interfering in the election, and the evidence indicating suspicious behavior on the part of the Trump campaign.

That's just it, the conclusion was there wasn't anything there. That many parts of the investigation were based upon faulty, falsified or incorrect information, knowingly. The problem with bad faith actions by investigators is they just lead to more and more because if someone is innocent there isn't any real evidence to use.

It is inaccurate to say the investigation was based on faulty, falsified, or incorrect information. You need to read the Special Counsel's report. That report details a wide array of evidence indicating interference on the part of Trump and also indicates conspiracy or collusion on the part of the Trump campaign in various ways (although there was never enough evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt).

It's just not true there was not enough evidence to justify the investigation or the evidence was bad. You really need to go back and read the Special Counsel's report. There was a ton of evidence.

And, heck, some of it was even public, like when Trump was begging the Russian government to hack Clinton's servers.

 

[Termn8or]

Evidence WAS collected improperly, there WERE mistakes made in getting warrants, Page's status WAS lied about to gain FISA warrants, the dossier WAS accepted as a predicate without verification.

If they did things that warranted scrutiny no one should have had to bend the rules to get information, warrants, and get confessions. But they DID.

That was 2 out of 500 warrants.

How to Lie with Statistics in One Easy Lesson.:lol:

There were four FISA warrants against Page.

At least two of them were illegal.

Both by Mueller and his corrupt hacks, at least three of whom are under criminal investigation.

Throw in how an important FBI lawyer tampered with evidence, and I'll bet all were illegal.

Gosh, haven't you said repeatedly that there's no evidence those nice FBI officials committed any crimes?

 

[Termn8or]

And, heck, some of it was even public, like when Trump was begging the Russian government to hack Clinton's servers.

Hey Mr. Mueller Report Expert, can you explain how the Russians could hack a server that no longer existed?:lol:

Do they like have a time machine or something?

The silly freaking lies liberals will tell, geez.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Yet you feel qualified to comment when you obviously lack a large chunk of knowledge regarding the case.

It came out YESTERDAY.

I like learning stuff about this topic, but no, I'm not reading stuff within 24 hours of publication.

Ignorant, belligerent, and uninformed is no way to go through life. Get to reading.

Is this a personal attack, OpportunityCost?

Shame, shame, shame.

Why can't you just stick to the topic?

 

[Termn8or]

- 34: people indicted as a result of Mueller's investigation, including Russian nationals and several former Trump aides and advisors.

- 19: lawyers who were employed by the special counsel's office, according to a letter Barr sent to Congress on Sunday.

- About 40 FBI agents, intelligence analysts, forensic accountants and other staff that assisted with the investigation.

- More than 2,800 subpoenas issued by the Special Counsel's office, that's an average of at least four per day.

- Nearly 500 search warrants executed.

- More than 230 orders for communication records.

- Nearly 50 authorized orders for the use of pen registers, a tool that lets the government know who someone is communicating with and when, but not what they said.

- 13 evidence requests to foreign governments

- 500 witnesses interviewed

- $25 million in posted costs as of February

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There was more to the investigation than the Page FISA warrants.

True, lots of other crimes were committed in the rest of their corrupt actions.

Perjury.

Obstruction of justice.

Witness tampering.

Conspiracy.

Which is why they are being investigated by a US Attorney.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

They actually did. They were all asked that same question.
And all said "No."

They said no to specific questions.

They did not say there was "no evidence."

You are lying.

Why lie?

You don't honestly believe what you're saying, do you?

You do understand that was more than "zero" evidence, right?

You do understand that you are just repeating propaganda, right?

 

[Termn8or]

T
I am a very patient person but the fact you are consistently lying about this in support of Trump is quite tiresome.

You obviously have no sense of irony.

Gosh, how did I forget to mention the illegal leaking of Flynn's conversation; a felony with a penalty of up to 10 years in prison.

Without that leak, no investigation would have happened.

Hey, tell everyone again how no crimes were committed by those squeakly clean Obama officials.:lol:

When you lied that Trump and Barr are like the Mob, it is safe to say that is was the Obama administration that really was.

Barr Names Outside Prosecutor to Review Obama Officials’ Unmasking of Flynn
By TOBIAS HOONHOUT
Attorney General Bill Barr has appointed a federal prosecutor to probe deeper into the “unmasking” requests that Obama administration officials submitted against Trump associates, Justice Department spokeswoman Kerri Kupec confirmed Wednesday night.

In an interview with Sean Hannity, Kupec said that John Bash, the U.S. attorney for the Western District of Texas, would oversee the review, after Barr “determined that certain aspects of unmasking needed to be reviewed,” and implied it was part of John Durham’s criminal probe into the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation.

“Unmasking inherently isn’t wrong, but certainly, the frequency, the motivation and the reasoning behind unmasking can be problematic, and when you’re looking at unmasking as part of a broader investigation — like John Durham’s investigation — looking specifically at who was unmasking whom, can add a lot to our understanding about motivation and big picture events,” Kupec explained.....

President Trump has said that Obama officials who sought to reveal Flynn’s identity “should be going to jail for this stuff.”

“They weren’t after General Flynn. They wanted him to lie about me. Make up a story,” Trump stated. “I’m talking with 50-year sentences. It is a disgrace what’s happened. This is the greatest political scam, hoax in the history of our country.”
Obama Unmasking -- Bill Barr Names Outside Prosecutor to Review Obama Officials' Unmasking of Flynn | National Review

 

[Athanasius68]

They said no to specific questions.

They did not say there was "no evidence."

You are lying.

Why lie?

You don't honestly believe what you're saying, do you?

You do understand that was more than "zero" evidence, right?

You do understand that you are just repeating propaganda, right?

The specific question was whether they had any evidence of a conspiracy by Trump or members of his campaign.
And they all answered "No."

 

[Termn8or]

They said no to specific questions.

They did not say there was "no evidence."

You are lying.

Why lie?

You don't honestly believe what you're saying, do you?

You do understand that was more than "zero" evidence, right?

You do understand that you are just repeating propaganda, right?

The specific question was whether they had any evidence of a conspiracy by Trump or members of his campaign.
And they all answered "No."

Mr. Mueller Report Expert is never held back by little things like facts.

He'll give you a word salad dump sprinkled with half truths and lies like he does almost every time.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

The specific question was whether they had any evidence of a conspiracy by Trump or members of his campaign. And they all answered "No."

This is not correct and I challenge you to prove it.

 

[Termn8or]

You do understand that you are just repeating propaganda, right?

Sez the guy with absolutely no sense of irony.

Hey, did you hear? Even FISA judges are now caught up in this, giggle, "conspiracy theory" that liars like Rush and Hannity are spreading.

FISA Court Chief Judge’s Order Contains Little-Noticed Passage That ‘Changes the Russia Collusion Case Forever’
Posted at 7:40 am on March 11, 2020 by Elizabeth Vaughn
From former FBI Director James Comey and his successor, Christopher Wray, to former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, high-ranking Obama Administration officials have maintained that none of the “errors” they made in their applications to the FISA Court for the warrant to spy on Carter Page were intentional. Although it’s obvious to all that these machinations were planned and executed inside of the top echelons of the FBI and the DOJ, law enforcement officials have tried to attribute these “mistakes” to lower-level agents and attorneys. They’ve repeatedly claimed they were accidental “process errors downstream from them and not an effort to deceive the judges.”


They continued to make excuses after Intelligence Community Inspector General Michael Horowitz released his December 9 report, which found that the four FISA Court warrant applications “were riddled with mistakes, including 17 examples of misconduct, misinformation or outright lies.”


Leave it to the brilliant and relentless investigative reporter John Solomon to find the gem inside of the nineteen-page Order issued last week by U.S. District Court Judge James A. Boasberg, the new chief judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. Boasberg, Solomon writes, “took direct aim at the excuses and blame-shifting of these senior Obama administration FBI and DOJ officials.”


Solomon reports that “in just 21 words, Boasberg provided the first judicial declaration the FBI had misled the court, not just committed process errors.” Boasberg wrote:


There is thus little doubt that the government breached its duty of candor to the Court with respect to those applications.


Simply put, none of this was an accident. It was deliberate.

Boasberg’s ruling was far more than a temporary suspension of FBI personnel’s participation in the FISA court. It is the first and only judicial finding in the Russia case that the FBI vastly misled the nation’s intelligence court and that blame must be shouldered by federal law enforcement’s top leaders, many of whom have spent much of the last three years trying to escape such accountability.
FISA Court Chief Judge's Order Contains Little-Noticed Passage That 'Changes the Russia Collusion Case Forever'

 

[Termn8or]

This is not correct and I challenge you to prove it.

Demands the guy who has smeared the Attorney General of the country with zero evidence.

And three US Attorneys when he claimed they aren't really investigating anything.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Mr. Mueller Report Expert is never held back by little things like facts.

He'll give you a word salad dump sprinkled with half truths and lies like he does almost every time.

Prove it. Cite it.

 

[Termn8or]

Mr. Mueller Report Expert is never held back by little things like facts.

He'll give you a word salad dump sprinkled with half truths and lies like he does almost every time.

Prove it. Cite it.

Sure, absolutely.

Without hesitation.

At once.

As soon as you prove that Attorney General Barr is committing federal crimes, betraying his oath of office, his oath to the Constitution and the country by covering up for Trump.

Rotsa ruck, Mr. Mueller Report Expert.

 

[Robertinfremont]

If the facts I am showing you bother you, then don't read my posts.

Barr is in charge of who gets charged. Don't bother with my posts if that bugs you.