Debunking blue cities are more violent myth

[Cardinal]

It would probably be more in big cities, since many realize that even if the cops do get all details of the crime, the chances of the suspect being caught are slim, or if they are caught, they will only get a slap on the wrist or not charged at all because the offense would be considered paltry by some criminal-coddling DA. The latter 2 reasons are especially so in big BLUE cities, mostly in California (think Prop 47, or in NYC's case, Alvin Bragg).

If you remove "probably," "many realize", "even if" and all the other moderating qualifiers in your argument, you'll see the problem with it pretty quickly.

You're using the same erroneous thinking that got you to believing that that places like Chicago are dangerous in the first place, when it's typically red state cities and towns that are worse.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Which is why, when talking about violence, conservatives switch over to whole numbers.

You mean rounding up and down to overstate their claims that urban cities have a higher percentage of violent crimes than small villages?

 

[braindrain]

I never travel to or through the US anymore even a layover.

I simply do not feel safe even, or maybe especially in airports.

Almost everyone carrying side arms does not help. And the presence of an overweight guy with a hog leg on his hip and a wad in his cheek does not instill confidence.

Yes I am sure when you just make things up the US is super scary.

But honestly I am glad to hear you don’t come here any longer.

 

[RF667799]

Of course it isn't. "Chicago" is a fairly small area. What people call Chicago is actually a vast collection of smaller cities.

You're more likely to get randomly killed in Roger's Park or Bellville than you are in what's actually Chicago.

Do the Chicago crime stats apply to Chicago proper, or to the entire Chicago metropolitan area?

I heard a couple locals on St Louis radio saying that St Louis gets an unfair rap, because St Louis itself is such a small area, and most of the city neighborhoods are "bad". The surrounding "good" neighborhoods are not actually St Louis, and so their low crime rates can't smooth over the carnage stats in the city proper.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

The disturbing part about that line is they're equating the color of who occupies the city to its crime. Crime = black, safe = white.

Part of being a racist is deliberately ignoring how many black people are killed by white people. Of course they do this to avoid confessing their racism.

But even "colorblind" people are making a flawed assumption. When talking about percentages, we have to first look at what the number is a percent of. If 64% of Memphis residents are black, you have to know how many people live in Memphis.

Then there is the fact that "The Murder Capital of the World" (Baltimore) is mostly white. How did the city get that nickname if hundreds of murderers there were not convicted every year? Based on annual rankings, it is always in the top five in that statistic.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Do your own research - especially if you want it cherry picked.

You obviously are the one cherrry-picking. All of the facts show where there is more violence, Republicans are in control.

 

[RF667799]

Part of being a racist is deliberately ignoring how many black people are killed by white people. Of course they do this to avoid confessing their racism.

But even "colorblind" people are making a flawed assumption. When talking about percentages, we have to first look at what the number is a percent of. If 64% of Memphis residents are black, you have to know how many people live in Memphis.

Then there is the fact that "The Murder Capital of the World" (Baltimore) is mostly white. How did the city get that nickname if hundreds of murderers there were not convicted every year? Based on annual rankings, it is always in the top five in that statistic.

What are the racial demographics of Baltimore?

 

[RF667799]

You obviously are the one cherrry-picking. All of the facts show where there is more violence, Republicans are in control.

You have your usual support for that claim, I see.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

You, as most on the left, ignore the fact that there are blue cities inside red states, thus try to assert that those blue cites should be considered “red state cities.”

To complicate the matter the thread title (blue cities are more violent than ???) doesn’t match the OP link (which compares Chicago to other cities).

Did you know the links you posted do not match reality? Cardinal proved you wrong.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

No such thing as blue or red cities. That is bullshit.

Fox rots the brain.

Every political news source says there are blue and red cities, but you are right about Faux Noise.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

I concur that Chicago is often unfairly singled out and cherry-picked by conservatives -- especially since they ignore how a likely cause for Chicago's crime rate is the rampant racism, corruption and unchecked abuse of civilians by the Chicago PD.

Of course, this is part and parcel of a larger set of lies around crime, perpetuated both by conservatives / Republicans and the media. Crime fell in half between 1991 and 2015; barely edged up in the pandemic; and is now falling again. But you won't hear that from the right or the media.

That said, I'm seeing Chicago as #14 for homicides, #17 for all violent crime. The homicide rate is about 3 times that of the US average. So, it's not entirely unfair to point out that Chicago is dealing with a fairly serious crime rate.

Which website did you get those rankings from?

I also have noticed only conservative voters point to Chicago as an example of their dishonest claim big blue cities are much worse in the violent crime department than small towns in red states. That proves Chicago is not nearly as bad as the conservative idiots say it is IMO.

 

[noonereal]

Every political news source says there are blue and red cities, but you are right about Faux Noise.

Yep, these ridiculous stereotypes have seeped into even the reputable news.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Yep, these ridiculous stereotypes have seeped into even the reputable news.

It is not a ridiculous stereotype if the district's representative has been a Democrat or Republican for decades in both the statehouse and Congress.

 

[RF667799]

Which website did you get those rankings from?

I also have noticed only conservative voters point to Chicago as an example of their dishonest claim big blue cities are much worse in the violent crime department than small towns in red states. That proves Chicago is not nearly as bad as the conservative idiots say it is IMO.

But Chicago is an example of a big blue city with worse crime than many small towns in red states.

 

[Rucker61]

Everyone knows being black is not the cause of violence. Saying that crap proves you are definitely a racist.

It's not racist to state that the data shows that Black people have a homicide victimization rate almost 13 times that of white people.

 

[Rucker61]

Part of being a racist is deliberately ignoring how many black people are killed by white people. Of course they do this to avoid confessing their racism.

But even "colorblind" people are making a flawed assumption. When talking about percentages, we have to first look at what the number is a percent of. If 64% of Memphis residents are black, you have to know how many people live in Memphis.

Then there is the fact that "The Murder Capital of the World" (Baltimore) is mostly white. How did the city get that nickname if hundreds of murderers there were not convicted every year? Based on annual rankings, it is always in the top five in that statistic.

How many Black people are killed by white people? What percentage of Black homicide victims does this represent?

 

[Patriotic Voter]

It's not racist to state that the data shows that Black people have a homicide victimization rate almost 13 times that of white people.

What Typical Russian wrote is racist. His post was nothing like someone else making an observation about the data. I was looking at the context of TR's entire post and remembering his posting history.

 

[RF667799]

What Typical Russian wrote is racist. His post was nothing like someone else making an observation about the data. I was looking at the context of TR's entire post and remembering his posting history.

You going shortly to have those demographics on Baltimore for us?

 

[Patriotic Voter]

How many Black people are killed by white people? What percentage of Black homicide victims does this represent?

Percentages don't matter. Raw numbers do. For a percentage to matter, America and must have equal numbers of black and white people - both in total and per capita.

 

[PNW Guy]

#BearLivesMatter!

Hey, #Bear Crime is no joke!

 

[Cardinal]

It's not racist to state that the data shows that Black people have a homicide victimization rate almost 13 times that of white people.

Okay, so every thread about how dangerous cities are is really just a conversation about how scared of black people conservatives are. That answers the "Why do conservatives need to believe cities are dangerous?" question.

 

[RF667799]

Percentages don't matter. Raw numbers do. For a percentage to matter, America and must have equal numbers of black and white people - both in total and per capita.

You understand that per capita is an expression of percentage?

 

[RF667799]

Okay, so every thread about how dangerous cities are is really just a conversation about how scared of black people conservatives are. That answers the "Why do conservatives need to believe cities are dangerous?" question.

You invented that all in your head.

Oh well...I sometimes wonder if the extreme hostility towards guns displayed by some who profess to be liberals, is just remnants of the Jim Crow thinking that black people might have too many guns.

 

[noonereal]

It is not a ridiculous stereotype if the district's representative has been a Democrat or Republican for decades in both the statehouse and Congress.

Is there a point to this post?

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Is there a point to this post?

If you have to ask, you need to learn what "logical thinking" means.