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Debates commission plans to cut off mics if Trump or Biden break rules

Biden sure was big on laughing while Trump was trying to speak.
That's true too. He did that against Paul Ryan also.
To be fair, we don't know if he was still laughing at the "Curious George" he watched while eating the oatmeal Jill gave him that morning.
 
The day after, I noted earlier Trump was a loose cannon.
Biden didn't get reined in initially, which he didn't, that set the tone.

And Twitter's selectivity in what they censor is a problem.
That's what happens when humans bring their biases to the job.
The one who refused to act like a grown man throughout the entire debate wasn’t following anyone’s lead/tone.

Biden and Trump are both entirely responsible for their own behavior.

Be specific (details and examples) as to why you think Twitter is demonstrating bias.
 
I'm surprised a Biden supporter would welcome that kind of candor.

It was probably minor mistake to lavel the jackass as a clown during the debate. There’s no need to give any fodder to the opponent right now.
 
The one who refused to act like a grown man throughout the entire debate wasn’t following anyone’s lead/tone.

Biden and Trump are both entirely responsible for their own behavior.

Be specific (details and examples) as to why you think Twitter is demonstrating bias.
Google "twitter censoring conservative speech".
If you don't get anything use a different search engine and then we can discuss Google's censor algorithm too.
 
It was probably minor mistake to lavel the jackass as a clown during the debate. There’s no need to give any fodder to the opponent right now.
So saying Biden is a "demented old coot who doesn't know what's he's saying or where he is half the time" would be okay with you? Minor? No big deal?
Or asking him what drug he's on? Wallace should have asked that one himself but he was orchestrating an entirely different arrangement.
 



It will be sad to watch Trump stalk around like an angry ape when he cannot have his way.
Concrete rules should be in place BEFORE the debates. No one should have the power to arbitrarily decide if one or the other is breaking rules midstream and have the power to cut off someone's mike. They should simply cut off the mikes of everyone not talking while the other has their two minutes. That would be the fair way to do it. But, the left have always wanted the power to limit free speech to their advantage where they are the police in deciding what gets heard and what doesn't. As I said, the mikes should only be on during that person's two minutes and off for the other person during that time.
 
Beijing Biden has threatened not to debate unless the moderators vow to support him in the debate.
 
The mics for each participant SHOULD be off when the other is answering a question. Problem solved. two minutes to answer and the other's mic is off. The mics are also off when the moderator is asking a question so the moderator cannot be interrupted.
Why is this so difficult?

On another note, how did they get a Trump hater to moderate the second debate? That needs to be changed or we get Sean Hannity for the third one.

They got a Trump hater to moderate the first debate. Wallace is a Democrat and has always been a never-Trumper.
 
Concrete rules should be in place BEFORE the debates. No one should have the power to arbitrarily decide if one or the other is breaking rules midstream and have the power to cut off someone's mike. They should simply cut off the mikes of everyone not talking while the other has their two minutes. That would be the fair way to do it. But, the left have always wanted the power to limit free speech to their advantage where they are the police in deciding what gets heard and what doesn't. As I said, the mikes should only be on during that person's two minutes and off for the other person during that time.

I agree. However, the jackass BROKE the rules he agreed to by repeatedly interrupting Biden (yes, Biden did it to, but as the moderator pointed out, it was mostly the jackass interrupting). Hence the need for modifying the current structure. The jackass cannot help himself. He will continue to behave like a grade school bully unless he is controlled.
 
I agree. However, the jackass BROKE the rules he agreed to by repeatedly interrupting Biden (yes, Biden did it to, but as the moderator pointed out, it was mostly the jackass interrupting). Hence the need for modifying the current structure. The jackass cannot help himself. He will continue to behave like a grade school bully unless he is controlled.
But we want the debates to be fair. Just because Trump flaunted rules in the first debate (as did Biden) you can't make the next debate unfair. It is has to be fair. The only way to be fair is to establish rules ahead of time, not let someone in the middle of a debate have the power to turn mikes on and off at their whim.
 
Google "twitter censoring conservative speech".
If you don't get anything use a different search engine and then we can discuss Google's censor algorithm too.
Your assertion of censorship is far from the first that I’ve read over the last several years, and although I have researched the subject before, to satisfy your request, I googled “does google censor conservative speech?”.

Needless to say, there were a plethora of articles/opinion pieces on the subject to choose from. To be fair to both sides, known least biased and proven reliable sources were chosen as references.

“In a 3-0 decision that could apply to platforms such as Facebook, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Seattle found that YouTube was not a public forum subject to First Amendment scrutiny by judges.

It upheld the dismissal of a lawsuit against Google and YouTube by Prager University, a conservative nonprofit run by radio talk show host Dennis Prager.

Writing for the appeals court, however, Circuit Judge Margaret McKeown said YouTube was a private forum despite its “ubiquity” and public accessibility, and hosting videos did not make it a “state actor” for purposes of the First Amendment.

Peter Obstler, a lawyer for PragerU, in an interview called the decision “very limited,” and decided only “based on the facts alleged in this case.”

* Falls under the category of “no shit, Sherlock”.


“On Monday, the president reiterated a baseless claim that Google had ”manipulated ” the 2016 election in favor of Hillary Clinton, which his campaign’s Twitter feed also picked up.

All of these claims emerged from reports and commentary from conservative pundits and Trump supporters, none backed by convincing evidence. Google has also denied them.

“Distorting results for political purposes would harm our business and go against our mission of providing helpful content to all of our users,” Google spokeswoman Julie Tarallo said.

Here’s where these claims emerged and what’s known about them.
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On Aug. 6, Trump implicitly suggested that Google had favored Clinton’s 2016 campaign over his and that the company planned to “illegally subvert” the 2020 election as well. On Monday he made the first part explicit , referencing an unspecified study that, he claimed, showed that “Google manipulated from 2.6 million to 16 million votes for Hillary Clinton in 2016 Election.”

Trump won the presidency with an Electoral College majority but lost the popular tally to Clinton by almost 2.9 million votes. Trump has falsely insisted for years that he actually won the popular vote.

The president’s campaign Twitter feed suggested Monday that Trump referenced a 2017 study by psychologist Robert Epstein that found Google showed more pro-Clinton results to undecided voters than pro-Trump results. Google and others have questioned the methodology of the study, which was not peer reviewed by other researchers.

In its final paragraph, the four-page study extrapolated experimental findings from a small group of 21 undecided voters to the electorate as a whole using mathematical models Epstein reported in an earlier paper. Reached by phone, Epstein said his results only showed that search results were biased toward Clinton, not that Google was doing so intentionally to sway elections.

Epstein also noted that those extrapolated findings suggested a pro-Clinton vote shift of 2.6 million to 10 million votes, not the 16 million cited by Trump.

Even that may be too much of a stretch, said Ramesh Srinivasan, an information-studies professor at UCLA, who noted that the study’s finding of alleged search-result bias doesn’t account for other possible influences on voters. “We can’t jump to conclusions that it gave any a candidate millions of votes,” he said.

* Again, no proof of “shenanigans” on Google’s part.

Another perspective, challenging Conservatives notion that censoring is specifically biased against them;

“According to the platforms' recent transparency reports, from April to June 2020, nearly 95% of comments flagged as hate speech on Facebook were detected by AI; and on YouTube 99.2% of comments removed for violating Community Standards were flagged by AI.

"That means you're putting these community standards in place and you have these bots who are just looking for certain specific things. It's automated. It doesn't have the ability for nuanced decision-making in regards to this," said Wysinger.

Biases can be built into the algorithms by the programmers who designed them, even if it's unintentional.

"Unfortunately tech is made up of a homogenous group, mostly White and Asian males, and so what happens is the opinions, the experiences that go into this decision-making are reflective of a majority group. And so people from different backgrounds — Black, Latino, different religions, conservative, liberal — don't have the accurate representation that they would if these companies were more diverse," said Mark Luckie, a digital strategist who previously worked at Twitter, Reddit and Facebook.“

There have been numerous studies investigating for intentional bias in social media, and none conducted by reputable groups has proven that Conservatives are unfairly censored.

If you have actual, verifiable proof to the contrary, please post (with links).
 
But we want the debates to be fair. Just because Trump flaunted rules in the first debate (as did Biden) you can't make the next debate unfair. It is has to be fair. The only way to be fair is to establish rules ahead of time, not let someone in the middle of a debate have the power to turn mikes on and off at their whim.

Sorry. The jackass is breaking the rules (and turning the debate into a debacle) and needs a measure of control so that the American people can actually hear a debate. Perhaps you don't want to hear where the candidates stand. I do. Most Americans do. No one wants to hear the jackass speaking over his opponent.
 
Disagree. Knowing that Trump can’t be heard, but will be seen will give Biden reason to smile as Trump rants like a spoiled rotten baby.
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Now that he has COVID-19, hopefully the next debate will be remote with the moderator able to mute the candidates, and this will certainly be the case.
 
Sorry. The jackass is breaking the rules (and turning the debate into a debacle) and needs a measure of control so that the American people can actually hear a debate. Perhaps you don't want to hear where the candidates stand. I do. Most Americans do. No one wants to hear the jackass speaking over his opponent.
So, you lied when you said it should be fair? You want the debates to be biased against Trump. Are you afraid that if the debates are fair, he would win?
 
So, you lied when you said it should be fair? You want the debates to be biased against Trump. Are you afraid that if the debates are fair, he would win?

I said it should be fair. Do you think its fair that the jackass impinged on Biden's mike time by continually interrupting him and talking over him? He broke the rules he agreed to. Wallace said as much. No one wants to hear the jackass braying when its not his turn to bray. Do you think its fair that he talks over Biden during the debate? He agreed to the rules. He broke them. Hence the need for the upcoming modifications.
 
So, you lied when you said it should be fair? You want the debates to be biased against Trump. Are you afraid that if the debates are fair, he would win?
Sorry to cut in, but Wallace did not once turn to Biden and ask him to quit laughing while Trump was trying to speak.

If this were truly Trump’s fault, Trump’s statements would have been uninterrupted. Instead, Wallace repeatedly interrupted Trump, Biden interrupted as well (his voice doesn't carry like Trump’s does), and laughed like a jackass.

It is ineffective for a moderator to continually interrupt one candidate, and then play the victim when the candidate interrupts him.
 
Sorry to cut in, but Wallace did not once turn to Biden and ask him to quit laughing while Trump was trying to speak.

If this were truly Trump’s fault, Trump’s statements would have been uninterrupted. Instead, Wallace repeatedly interrupted Trump, Biden interrupted as well (his voice doesn't carry like Trump’s does), and laughed like a jackass.

It is ineffective for a moderator to continually interrupt one candidate, and then play the victim when the candidate interrupts him.

Sorry. Quietly laughing to yourself is quite different than loudly interrupting your debate opponent. But to be fair, lets just cut off the microphone to BOTH candidates when they do not have the floor. Agreed?
 
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Biases can be built into the algorithms by the programmers who designed them, even if it's unintentional.

"Unfortunately tech is made up of a homogenous group, mostly White and Asian males, and so what happens is the opinions, the experiences that go into this decision-making are reflective of a majority group. And so people from different backgrounds — Black, Latino, different religions, conservative, liberal — don't have the accurate representation that they would if these companies were more diverse," said Mark Luckie, a digital strategist who previously worked at Twitter, Reddit and Facebook.“

There have been numerous studies investigating for intentional bias in social media, and none conducted by reputable groups has proven that Conservatives are unfairly censored.

If you have actual, verifiable proof to the contrary, please post (with links).
Weeeeell, yeah. That's the point.
The algorithms reflect "the opinions, the experiences that go into this decision-making are reflective of a majority group."
But what the quote left out as a factor is the political ideology of those programmers as a reason they were hired and which is reflected in their "decision-making".
The same would apply to what they might determine to be "good faith", which is how social media platforms are supposed to operate..



Keep in mind it's not only the political balance of what big Tech allows on their platforms that's the issue, it's also what they won't allow on their platforms that isn't represented in a simple count.
And, of course, it's also how they present what they DO allow. e.g. they do fact-checking - which, as a platform not a publisher, ain't their business.
Was it you who I went round & round with regarding Section 230?
 
Concrete rules should be in place BEFORE the debates. No one should have the power to arbitrarily decide if one or the other is breaking rules midstream and have the power to cut off someone's mike. They should simply cut off the mikes of everyone not talking while the other has their two minutes. That would be the fair way to do it. But, the left have always wanted the power to limit free speech to their advantage where they are the police in deciding what gets heard and what doesn't. As I said, the mikes should only be on during that person's two minutes and off for the other person during that time.
except for the silliness about the left hating freedom, people pretty much agree that the mics should be off when it is not their turn.
 
Weeeeell, yeah. That's the point.
The algorithms reflect "the opinions, the experiences that go into this decision-making are reflective of a majority group."
But what the quote left out as a factor is the political ideology of those programmers as a reason they were hired and which is reflected in their "decision-making".
The same would apply to what they might determine to be "good faith", which is how social media platforms are supposed to operate..



Keep in mind it's not only the political balance of what big Tech allows on their platforms that's the issue, it's also what they won't allow on their platforms that isn't represented in a simple count.
And, of course, it's also how they present what they DO allow. e.g. they do fact-checking - which, as a platform not a publisher, ain't their business.
Was it you who I went round & round with regarding Section 230?
I provide you with information from least biased, and known trusted sources, and you respond with crap from a far right and unreliable one?
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Either you’re being deliberately dishonest or don’t know the difference between good sources and bad ones.

And if you’d paid attention to the reference of mine that you cited, you would understand that possible deliberate bias is one of many reasons that something is removed by site operators.

Of course, you’re only interested in fragments of facts you can jumble together to create the reality you live in.
 
Biden didn't seem flustered to me. Rather, aggravated that Wallace wasn't doing his job.

I think Wallace was still under the impression that Trump had the capacity to be treated with any respect and have the consideration to draw his own boundaries at some point. He realized thought that there is no point with Trump where that happens. Like a spoiled child, he will keep going until someone slaps him upside the head and tells him to go stand in the corner until he learns some basic manners.
 
i would cut the mics by default, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

the mics should be on an auto-timer. That way, it's not any particular person doing the cutting and accused of having a liberal bias.
 
I said it should be fair. Do you think its fair that the jackass impinged on Biden's mike time by continually interrupting him and talking over him? He broke the rules he agreed to. Wallace said as much. No one wants to hear the jackass braying when its not his turn to bray. Do you think its fair that he talks over Biden during the debate? He agreed to the rules. He broke them. Hence the need for the upcoming modifications.
That's what you said at first and then you seemed to go into this tirade about Trump's first debate blah blah blah, we should be able to turn his mike off in the other debates. I'm saying that giving someone the arbitrary power to turn off whoever's mike whenever they felt like it is not fair and that they should make it fair by just deciding ahead of time to turn the mike off of whoever isn't speaking instead of giving someone some arbitrary God like power and then you went into your but Trump blah blah blah.
 
Sorry to cut in, but Wallace did not once turn to Biden and ask him to quit laughing while Trump was trying to speak.

If this were truly Trump’s fault, Trump’s statements would have been uninterrupted. Instead, Wallace repeatedly interrupted Trump, Biden interrupted as well (his voice doesn't carry like Trump’s does), and laughed like a jackass.

It is ineffective for a moderator to continually interrupt one candidate, and then play the victim when the candidate interrupts him.
Biden interrupted both Trump and Wallace. Sure, Trump started it and did it more but Biden jumped in the pile.
 
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