Dearborn anti-Kamala fools played themselves, final chapter (5 Viewers)

[Gimmesometruth]

Cries of “well, he’d do the exact same we are already doing, but worse” doesn’t convince anyone that you should be voted for.

Can you link to previous posts where you show what would have been the winning message?

crickets...

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Which is entirely the fault of the Democratic Party, and trying to blame the voters is foolish.

I still don't get it, Donny was not running on cutting funding to Israel, so how was it that he won if it is based on the idea that Dems lost because they didn't run on cutting funding to Israel?

 

[NolanVoyd]

The point is that the Democrats helped carry out a borderline genocide, and people refused to vote for them as a result.

Nothing can ever change that.

No the point is that there were two choices. One was clearly way worse then the other.

That illogical strategy got the worse of the two elected.

Just plain dumb.

 

[StillBallin75]

No the point is that there were two choices. One was clearly way worse then the other.

That illogical strategy got the worse of the two elected.

Just plain dumb.

Kamala had two choices. Stop genociding and probably win and or keep killing brown kids and definitely lose. Dems chose the latter. Dems and their ****ing enablers keep showing us who they are.

Why are you acting like the voters have all the agency while the candidates have none? Literally the 2nd most powerful person in the country and she threw the election to fascists, because she couldn't bring herself to stop funding other fascists.

It amazes me that 3 months later, Democrats still haven't learned their goddamn lesson and keep insisting that the anti-genociders are the problem and not the genociders.

Every war crime, every act of ethnic cleansing by psychopathic Zionists that happens from this point forward, I need liberals to ****ing THINK: These are the people who Kamala threw the rest of us under the bus for.

“We are at a moment right now where people are asking themselves why can’t the Democratic Party defend this assault on democracy . . . and I would submit to you that if you can’t draw the line at genocide, you probably can’t draw the line at democracy.” - Ta-Nehisi Coates

 

[Proudmoore]

Bottom line is that nothing Harris did have any indication she would actually change the policies she implemented, and nobody owed the Democrats votes for helping carry out a borderline genocide

She wouldn't have promised to build luxury hotels over all those corpses you pretend to care about that's for sure.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Kamala had two choices. Stop genociding and probably win and or keep killing brown kids and definitely lose.

That makes zero sense given the fact the other candidate was primosing to greanlight way more genocide and the killing of even more brown kids.

Why help the worse one win?
If you are anti genocide you would have done anything possible to keep Trump from winning.

 

[StillBallin75]

I also want Democrats to get it through their thick skulls how ****ing embarrassing it is for them to have completely LOST the Muslim vote in one election cycle after Republicans repeatedly trying to hand it to them for the last 25 years. Because they couldn't commit to stop murdering innocents.

 

[StillBallin75]

That makes zero sense given the fact the other candidate was promosing to greanlightvway more genocide and the killing of even more brown kids.

Why help the worse one win?

If you are anti genocide you would have done anything possible to keep Trump from winning.

Why do you keep framing this "voters should choose the lesser of two evils" as opposed to DEMOCRATS SHOULD STOP ****ING GENOCIDING PEOPLE WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS.

If you're Muslim, or Palestinian-American, do you ****ing understand why "we're gonna keep genociding your brothers and sisters, but the other side is WORSE" is NOT A ****ING WINNING PROPOSITION?

We could have neither genocide nor fascism if only the Dems grew a ****ing moral spine and stopped genociding. How hard is it to not genocide? look, it's me and you literally not genociding anyone right ****ing now. Do you seriously STILL not understand that the reason we have goddamn outright fascism is because the neoliberals kept doing mini-fascism?

You know what might have kept Trump from winning? The Dem party actually moving ****ing left on this issue instead of constantly being ratcheted to the right. That's what anti-genociders were trying to signal to her. Literally not murdering innocent people is like THE LOWEST ****ING BAR one can expect from their elected candidates.

 

[Craig234]

#1 - straw man. I didn't say anything close to the bolded.

It seems to me that's exactly what you said. Where is the disagreement? Biden and Harris committed genocide against Gaza for a year, and Harris completely rebuffed talking to opponents of the genocide. You referred to their refusing to vote for Harris over that genocide as a "purity test", that is a quote. It's good if you don't mean that, but then clarify.

It's not "ridiculous" when history shows the only other option will be significantly worse. They are now seeing that play out in real time.

What I called ridiculous is calling their position a "purity test" - THAT is the straw man, you trying to change what I called ridiculous. If that's not what you meant, that could address it.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Why do you keep framing this "voters should choose the lesser of two evils"

Logic.

There were two candidates in the race.

One was clearly worse than the other on this issue.

It is illogical to help the worse one win.

Period.

as opposed to DEMOCRATS SHOULD STOP ****ING GENOCIDING PEOPLE WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS.

So should Republicans. When it comes to the genociding of Palestinians' trumps policies and plans were far worse.

Helping the worse one win is just plain stupid

 

[Craig234]

I agree that people committing genocide is the problem.

We agree.

Its idiotic to help the worse of the two candidates to win.

Perhaps, but it seems you are not understanding/appreciating the issue of asking people to vote for people *who are committing genocide* because the other guy might be worse, instead of their saying they won't vote for either. It's a bit like asking Americans to vote for Osama bin Laden over an even worse terrorist. Except what's being done to Gaza is far, far worse than bin Laden.

 

[NolanVoyd]

We agree.



Perhaps, but it seems you are not understanding/appreciating the issue of asking people to vote for people *who are committing genocide* because the other guy might be worse, instead of their saying they won't vote for either. It's a bit like asking Americans to vote for Osama bin Laden over an even worse terrorist. Except what's being done to Gaza is far, far worse than bin Laden.

Thats just logic.

If their are two possibilities, and one is far worse than the other, it is illogical to help the worse one win.

 

[Craig234]

Helping the worse one win is just plain stupid

Voting for neither is not completely accurately described ad "helping the worse one win", and you're leaving out that the lesser evil is *committing genocide against them*. That's a hell of a low bar for 'lesser evil'. The attention belongs a lot more on the rogue state lobby and the politicians wo serve it and commit genocide than the victims who refused to vote for them. Why should Harris change if she gets the votes either way?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Biden and Harris committed genocide against Gaza for a year

No, Israel/IDF did, the US military was not a participant. Israel has been committing genocide against the Palestinians since 1948.

 

[Craig234]

Thats just logic.

If their are two possibilities, and one is far worse than the other, it is illogical to help the worse one win.

You're really wrong. And that's from someone who agreed it WAS better to vote for Genocide Joe or Kamala.

It might take a long explanation for you about things like not expecting people to vote for someone committed to genocide against them even if they're a 'lesser evil', and how if Harris gets their votes anyway, it removes pressure for her to change, and how the victims had no good options. But I'm not sure if it would help if you haven't understood that yet, but your version is not correct.

 

[Phys251]

You're really wrong. And that's from someone who agreed it WAS better to vote for Genocide Joe or Kamala.

When you use phrases like that, it's no wonder that Harris couldn't win.

 

[Craig234]

No, Israel/IDF did, the US military was not a participant. Israel has been committing genocide against the Palestinians since 1948.

The US is a full partner in the genocide, providing funds, weapons, political support and diplomatic supporting, preventing the UN from acting. Metaphorically, if someone is machine gunning victims, and someone else brought them bullets to do it, they're both guilty, they're partners. Trying to split hairs over that is not a winning argument.

 

[Craig234]

When you use phrases like that, it's no wonder that Harris couldn't win.

Why? First, it's true. Second, trump IS worse, and "Even worse genocide trump" is a fair description. The way to win isn't to lie about the issues. It's to convince voters Harris is the better choice, which was my position. It's a bit like insisting not to blame LBJ or Humphrey for the Vietnam war in 1968 because it won't help them win. Lying about the issue isn't the way for them to win. Making the case for them despite Vietnam is IMO.

 

[Phys251]

Why? First, it's true. Second, trump IS worse, and "Even worse genocide trump" is a fair description. The way to win isn't to lie about the issues. It's to convince voters Harris is the better choice, which was my position. It's a bit like insisting not to blame LBJ or Humphrey for the Vietnam war in 1968 because it won't help them win. Lying about the issue isn't the way for them to win. Making the case for them despite Vietnam is IMO.

How's that working out for you in Palestine? Two-state solution near?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Why should Harris change if she gets the votes either way?

Harris was more strident against Israel's actions in Gaza than Biden, even the GOP Trump backers were consistently critical of Harris claiming she supported Hamas and failed to support Bibi.

 

[Craig234]

There is no reasonable argument to be made that people are obligated to vote for the party supporting a borderline genocide

Obligated isn't the word, but I think they should have recognized that it was better for them to support Harris despite her commitment to genocide, because trump is that much worse. But I think it's their right to refuse to vote for genocide, and that people should respect that even if we disagree. It's very much misplacing blame to blame THEM instead of the people committing genocide.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Gee, sounds like the Biden Harris administration should have taken any meaningful stance to oppose Israel instead of happily supporting the mass murder campaign

Given they didn’t, the pretense that they would tolerate such a campaign is laughable

People who can't tell the difference between Kamala Harris and Sebastian Gorka cannot be reached.

 

[Craig234]

How's that working out for you in Palestine? Two-state solution near?

What part of 'they had no good options' isn't clear? They could vote for Harris and endorse ongoing genocide. They could vote for trump and get worse genocide. Will you ever be able to drop the nonsense about 'how's that working for you' and learn that what's 'not working for them' is that both parties are committing genocide and so they refused to vote for either, and you should worry more about the genocide side of the issue?

 

[Craig234]

Harris was more strident against Israel's actions in Gaza than Biden, even the GOP Trump backers were consistently critical of Harris claiming she supported Hamas and failed to support Bibi.

If you were right, I'd love to agree. Any shift by Harris was so minor it was hard to detect. She would not meet with anti-genocide people, had none in her campaign, refused to allow any to endorse her at the convention, and fully supported the ongoing Biden policies. trump attacking her as pro-Hamas is meaningless lies, he lied about her on many things. He called Biden, the biggest recipient of AIPAC money in history, a Palestinian.

 

[Craig234]

She wouldn't have promised to build luxury hotels over all those corpses you pretend to care about that's for sure.

True, but I don't think hotels are the main issue, it's the genocide.