David Hogg to Ineffective Moderates (1 Viewer)

[poweRob]

Congressional districts are so heavily gerrymandered that general elections have become all but meaningless, suggesting that its not strategy that's getting elected them elected, they just have safe seats.

California has independent districting by law. My wish is that they undo that law, gerrymander the living **** out of the state with a trigger provision that the independent districting goes back into place when the other 49 states have it as well. The GOP will never run the house again.

 

[Gatsby]

No, YOU care about the handful of people "RUINING OUR SPORTS!!!!"

You brought it up, my dude. Not me.

Why do they have to campaign on sex changes for minors? No one advocates that. People don't want to undergo unnecessary medical treatment. People advocate for being able to seek adequate healthcare without right-wing politicians like Louie Gohmert opining on what's best for them, their children, their family.

Fine, campaign on that in West Virginia. Let us know how it goes. Get your candidate elected instead of losing by a 70-27 margin like last time you ran a Bernie Bro in West Virginia. I'm sure she would have done better if she spent more time talking about how she'd help the transes. Surely that's what's important to Appalachian truck drivers and coal miners.

"Sex change for minors" is what a capitulating and submissive right-wing hack would say that progressives need to run on to prove they are popular.

YOU said it was popular even in places like West Virginia. YOU brought it up, apparently because you were dissatisfied that I agreed that (for example) campaigning on raising the minimum wage and lowering prescription drug prices could be promising avenues for West Virginia Democrats. Apparently you were enraged by my agreement so you had to up the ante and decide West Virginia Dems instead need to focus on Drag Queen Story Hour and men beating up women in boxing rings. Again, YOU brought it up, completely unprompted.

Less talk, more action. Get your favorite Bernie Bro elected in West Virginia, on whatever combination you want of sensible policies (raising the minimum wage) and preposterous policies (anything related to men mutilating their penises). Then, and only then, should anyone take your opinion seriously enough to try to replicate that strategy nationally or against incumbent Dems.

 

[Dans La Lune]

You brought it up, my dude. Not me.

What? Trans people existing and wanting dignity?

Fine, campaign on that in West Virginia. Let us know how it goes. Get your candidate elected instead of losing by a 70-27 margin like last time you ran a Bernie Bro in West Virginia. I'm sure she would have done better if she spent more time talking about how she'd help the transes. Surely that's what's important to Appalachian truck drivers and coal miners.

Your politics is caricature-based.

YOU said it was popular even in places like West Virginia.

Yes, progressive policy is popular in West Virginia. Do you run on the most nuanced culture issue? No, but you don't have to. You just leave it to the experts, and explain that 1% of the population are not the issue that's making them miserable, and that less than 1% of 1% are not ruining your athletics (which is not a political issue to begin with).

 

[Gatsby]

What? Trans people existing and wanting dignity?

Yeah, you brought it up out of nowhere. For some reason.

Your politics is caricature-based.

Get your Bernie Bro elected then. If my model of how politics operates in various states is wrong and yours is right, then this should be very easy for you to demonstrate by getting your Bernie Bro elected to a West Virginia Senate seat. Stop with the bold claims about what the voters want in a place where you have never, ever, ever demonstrated this to be true in any election. Prove your case! Then worry about going national with your strategy.

Yes, progressive policy is popular in West Virginia. Do you run on the most nuanced culture issue? No, but you don't have to. You just leave it to the experts, and explain that 1% of the population are not the issue that's making them miserable, and that less than 1% of 1% are not ruining your athletics (which is not a political issue to begin with).

Fine, go campaign on that. Tell West Virginians that they're country bumpkins too dumb to understand the nuances of the issue and they should leave it to the experts, because you know what's best. I'm sure it will go great for you! Then when your Bernie Bro gets elected in a huge landslide on that platform, I'll sure be eating crow!


Maybe the national party should just leave 1-2 of the most hopeless Senate seats per election cycle open to leftists to run whoever they want, as sacrificial seats they aren't going to win anyway. Leave you to your own devices and let you embarrass yourselves. Of course, you won't learn anything when you lose embarrassingly badly. You'll still blame the national party, or blame your candidate for being insufficiently pure, or blame anything except your own strategy. In order for this political experiment to work, you'd have to actually be capable of learning from it. And you obviously aren't.

 

[markdc]

And don’t forget, the DNC didn’t want the best candidate. They required that the winners had be “gender balanced”

Yeah, that's why DEI breeds mediocrity and inferiority. If they did this on merit, they'd do better.

Mark

 

[markdc]

As the saying goes, if you go far enough left, you get your guns back.

Unfortunately, nobody else does.

Mark

 

[markdc]

The Dems proved they didn't learn jack from November when they brought that attention whore on as part of the party's leadership.

I'd say he's an attention Hogg.

Mark

 

[markdc]

Was not in agreement on holding all Republicans to a MAGA standard, and not in agreement with holding all Democrats to a progressive standard.

It is begging for more division as both are entirely opposed to inclusion.

Agree. It's the American equivalent of the Israel-Palestinian conflict or the Spanish Civil War. The extremes have taken over both sides.

Mark

 

[JMB1911A1]

More data about the little Hogg feeding at the trough.

Last cycle Hogg raised $11.9M, spent $10.7M on overhead, salaries, etc.. and only spent - ready for it? $266,000 or less than 3% on actual campaigns.


And his PAC payed him over $16k salary last month. Good work if you can get it.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Oops, Hogg boy seems to have posed off the DNC.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/23/dnc-gives-david-hogg-an-ultimatum-00307113

"The Democratic National Committee is going to force David Hogg to decide: Get out of the primary game or lose his DNC post.

During a member call on Thursday, DNC Chair Ken Martin is expected to announce a proposal to change the party’s rules to mandate all DNC officers stay neutral in all Democratic primaries"

 

[markdc]

More data about the little Hogg feeding at the trough.

Last cycle Hogg raised $11.9M, spent $10.7M on overhead, salaries, etc.. and only spent - ready for it? $266,000 or less than 3% on actual campaigns.


And his PAC payed him over $16k salary last month. Good work if you can get it.

Looks like at least one person benefited from the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting.

Mark

 

[Emlee]

Haven’t seen it officially confirmed but read on xwitter that Hoggs is out at DNC?

 

[markdc]

Haven’t seen it officially confirmed but read on xwitter that Hoggs is out at DNC?

An American Indian activist named Kalyn Free is accusing the DNC of running an election that discriminated against female minority candidates in favor of Hogg, a White male. It would be funny (and typical) of the Democrat Party to not even follow the DEI ideology that it claims to embrace.
https://www.semafor.com/article/04/29/2025/native-american-woman-gets-a-chance-to-topple-hogg-at-dnc

Mark

 

[Dans La Lune]

James Carville endorsed David Hogg.

First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they endorse you. Fight like a Hogg.

 

[TobyOne]

Lol, the face of the democratic party.

 

[Felis Leo]

James Carville endorsed David Hogg.

First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they endorse you. Fight like a Hogg.

Well, it looks like the DNC is going to be replacing Hogg soon.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/12/dnc-panel-opens-the-door-to-removing-david-hogg-from-his-national-post-00343653

Which as far as I am concerned might end up being the best thing because now he can fight the Collaborationist/Controlled Opposition Democrats with his gloves off, Tea Party-style.