David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?[W:516]

[HowardBThiname]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

Asking "Why do you take so much money from the NRA?" is extremely mild.

If that's too negative for you, it's hard to imagine literally any level of scrutiny, speaking out, or questioning of elected officials that you would deem acceptable.

It's only mild if it comes from an innocent perspective of someone who simply wants to know. But, that's not Hogg, is it?

 

[Vadinho]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

MCain has always toed the line for conservatives, his only brave vote was the repeal of the ACA vote where he finally remembered how to be a decent Senator and human being for a few hours one day. The rest of his career has been one long continuous photo op establishing his brand of maverick while voting in step with every horrible thing the GOP has wanted. If he had any conscious left or empathy or desire to do good before he died, he would actually become a maverick and expose this modern GOP. But he won't.

 

[Greenbeard]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

It's only mild if it comes from an innocent perspective of someone who simply wants to know. But, that's not Hogg, is it?

Ah, so it's not the question itself or the delivery, it's the thoughtcrime behind it.

That's so much worse.

 

[Fletch]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

Ah, you actually hit it on the head---obviously these politicians know there is something wrong with taking that blood money. :roll:

No, they know there isn't anything wrong with taking money from the NRA but lack the courage to actually say so and get themselves in the middle of the fight. They want to be re-elected, not become a lighting rod for this sort of controversy.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

Depends on the sins. IMO, supporting laws which result in mass shootings is a pretty big sin for which atonement might not be a bad idea.

What laws resulted in mass shootings and when were they passed?

 

[calamity]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

No, they know there isn't anything wrong with taking money from the NRA but lack the courage to actually say so and get themselves in the middle of the fight. They want to be re-elected, not become a lighting rod for this sort of controversy.

Sounds like you need tougher snowflakes.

 

[Tangmo]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

Haven't seen anything from the McCain family specific to this nor have I seen or heard anyone in the Senator's office make any statement about it. Neither seems attentive to it much less worked up into a lather about it. Posters here do of course have the right to post even if the posting is repeated, strong or harsh, and in isolation from the McCain family or the Senator's office saying anything about it specifically.

So it could seem to be a right whingers cause of the times over there. Some of the attacks against David Hogg have been either condescending or just plain nasty. Either way it's been a steady barrage and overkill against the guy. Indeed, the rightwhinge more than made its point long ago already. I think of Mad magazine and its several pages in each issue that mock wretched excess.

Meghan McCain has already taken him to task over his language -- the tweet to her dad is just one more thing.

Here's what Hogg said about the NRA prior,


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/parkland-teen-compares-us-government-to-old-ass-parent-2018-03-24

Hogg's entire attitude is one of contentiousness -- the tweet to John McCain is just one more example of his lack of control.

He's self-destructing.

Meghan McCain's criticism you cite was about the March for Life and before David Hogg's tweet concerning the Senator and NRA contributions (which as we've learned include undisclosed Russi, er, foreign contributors). I of course noted this in my post. So it is further wretched excess to see your post dancing around it all. Indeed, of the 40 or so posts that preceded my post half of 'em were were by one poster singularly. You. The right itself has gone whole hog on this one. It's a feeding frenzy over there.

 

[calamity]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

What laws resulted in mass shootings and when were they passed?

I can think of a couple dozen or so which were blocked between Columbine and Parkland.

 

[SirGareth]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

This country elected Donald ****ing Trump, nobody gives a **** about decorum.

Decorum is overrated. How does one decorate the whore house known as Washington DC?

China cups and doilies for the condom jars?

 

[JANFU]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

Some on the Right are full of it.
What did you say about Trump when he did this?
All within the past 6 weeks or so.
Did you criticize Trump using the same basis that you are criticizing Hogg?

Selective **** slinging? Yep

Trump calls out McCain for ObamaCare vote | TheHill

"Except for one senator, who came into a room at 3 o’clock in the morning and went like that, we would have had health care too, we would have had health care too, think of that," Trump told the Conservative Political Action Conference, imitating the thumbs down motion that McCain made during a late-night vote to pass a repeal measure.

Donald Trump Slams John McCain Again at CPAC | Time

“We’re having tremendous plans coming out now, healthcare plans, at a fraction of the cost, that are much better than Obamacare,” Trump said Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference. Then, motioning a “thumbs down,” — which is what McCain did when he voted against the bill last summer — Trump continued, “And except for one senator who came into the room at 3 in the morning and went like that, we could have had health care too.”

“Remember — one person walked into a room when he was supposed to go this way,” Trump added, giving a thumbs up sign, “and he walked in and went this way [thumbs down] and everyone said, ‘What happened? What was that all about? Who was that?’ I don’t know, I don’t know, I don’t want to be controversial so I won’t use his name. What a mess.”

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

I can think of a couple dozen or so which were blocked between Columbine and Parkland.

OK, so no laws actually resulted in mass shootings but you just decided that it seemed like good thing to say. Since nobody knows what you are thinking it is important to say which laws you are talking about.

 

[calamity]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

OK, so no laws actually resulted in mass shootings but you just decided that it seemed like good thing to say. Since nobody knows what you are thinking it is important to say which laws you are talking about.

Uh, blocking laws which could have helped is not different than enacting laws which could have hurt. :doh

 

[SirGareth]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

I can think of a couple dozen or so which were blocked between Columbine and Parkland.

In each case the police were hanging around outside until the shooting stopped.

Why didn't we pass a law that stated the police must not be cowards?

The armed forces shoot their cowards. The politicians put cops who are cowards on paid leave followed by early retirement. Its in the union contract they sold for votes

 

[nota bene]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

MCain has always toed the line for conservatives, his only brave vote was the repeal of the ACA vote where he finally remembered how to be a decent Senator and human being for a few hours one day. The rest of his career has been one long continuous photo op establishing his brand of maverick while voting in step with every horrible thing the GOP has wanted. If he had any conscious left or empathy or desire to do good before he died, he would actually become a maverick and expose this modern GOP. But he won't.

McCain is fighting for his life right now. If he doesn't respond, perhaps you can find a little empathy yourself or at least refrain from judging his conscience. Maybe he's busy.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

Uh, blocking laws which could have helped is not different than enacting laws which could have hurt. :doh

Again, you spew generalities - what law(s) (bills that never became law(s)?) are you talking about?

 

[nota bene]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

I don't disagree with your assessment of Hogg -- I'm sure he's an activist-type kid who wants to make a difference. He's opening a big Pandora's Box, however, and he's either doing it out of inexperience or someone's coaching him -- poorly. Cindy Sheehan is a different story, while she might have started out okay, she quickly turned her "grief" into massive anti-American activism.

15 minutes of fame can have odd effects on some folks -- it somehow feeds their ego and they suddenly quit using common sense. Perhaps this type of notoriety is something Hogg craves, but he needs to dial his rhetoric down if he doesn't want to implode.

If Hogg wants to reach a larger audience, he is going to have to clean up his mouth. I read somewhere that the f-bomb comprises 20% of his vocabulary.

Yes, Cindy Sheehan did become very politically active for a time. I always felt very sorry for her; unless you yourself are a bereaved parent, you cannot know what it's like. I remember Sheehan being persuaded to pose for a photo while she stretched out on her son's grave. Terrible. (Not the being prostrate over the grave, rather, the posing for the pic.)

Deep grief can make you crazy. You aren't yourself and never will be that same self again, and finding your way forward can be very difficult. Sheehan lost her marriage and was estranged for a long time from her living children, and she was callously and cruelly exploited by Code Pink and others because she was so vulnerable.

Shame on them, not on her.

 

[calamity]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

In each case the police were hanging around outside until the shooting stopped.

Why didn't we pass a law that stated the police must not be cowards?

The armed forces shoot their cowards. The politicians put cops who are cowards on paid leave followed by early retirement. Its in the union contract they sold for votes

Maybe because most reasonable people do not want cops to be like the military. :roll:

 

[Vadinho]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

McCain is fighting for his life right now. If he doesn't respond, perhaps you can find a little empathy yourself or at least refrain from judging his conscience. Maybe he's busy.

I have no desire to redefine his career in politics simply because the man is dying. His career is what it is and he should use his time left to repent and do the right thing. He won't because in his heart, he is a selfish man who has spent his entire life trying to live up to his father and grandfathers impressive legacies and achievements. Sorry, he is still a Senator so he is fair game for criticism based upon his actions not his health.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

That isn’t why people were angry at Trump. McCain is a sitting US Senator. It is perfectly fine to question his voting record, which both Hogg and Trump did, about different things of course.

Trump crossed a line when he insulted McCain’s military service and, by extension, all POWs.

good points-well stated

 

[nota bene]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

I have no desire to redefine his career in politics simply because the man is dying. His career is what it is and he should use his time left to repent and do the right thing. He won't because in his heart, he is a selfish man who has spent his entire life trying to live up to his father and grandfathers impressive legacies and achievements. Sorry, he is still a Senator so he is fair game for criticism based upon his actions not his health.

Of course, he's fair game. But as you've demonstrated, he's also unfair game for those who sit in judgment of others and seem not to understand that the Senator might be just a wee preoccupied because, you know, he's dying.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

If Hogg wants to reach a larger audience, he is going to have to clean up his mouth. I read somewhere that the f-bomb comprises 20% of his vocabulary.

Yes, Cindy Sheehan did become very politically active for a time. I always felt very sorry for her; unless you yourself are a bereaved parent, you cannot know what it's like. I remember Sheehan being persuaded to pose for a photo while she stretched out on her son's grave. Terrible. (Not the being prostrate over the grave, rather, the posing for the pic.)

Deep grief can make you crazy. You aren't yourself and never will be that same self again, and finding your way forward can be very difficult. Sheehan lost her marriage and was estranged for a long time from her living children, and she was callously and cruelly exploited by Code Pink and others because she was so vulnerable.

Shame on them, not on her.

I believe Sheehan was sincere when she started, but then that egotistical thing took over, and she made trips to Venezuela and smooched Chavez, etc. And, I think it's just too easy for some people to go down that road once they are co-opted by those with a dubious agenda.

I agree about Hogg's language, in fact, I posted a blurb of his earlier where his mouth was foul. The old "you catch more bees with honey" seems to have escaped him. He's burning bright right now, but I think he'll burn out soon. That type of movement would do better with a kinder, gentler spokesperson, in my opinion.

It'll be interesting to watch.

 

[Anthony60]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

He needs to get schooled then in how not to be a douche.

I think that's impossible for this kid. He seems steeped in douche baggery through and through. There needs to be a boycott against him.

Of course, most of this is the left wing Media Matters, whose sole reason for being is to latch on to any opportunity they can find to eliminate anyone that opposes the Marxist/Socialist attacks on our freedom from the left.

She said he whined. That's enough, in the eyes of the left, to destroy her career, and more importantly, make an example of her.

 

[nota bene]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

Oh, I agree. I think after his gap year, and I'm a huge fan of gap years, he'll have his choice of colleges, probably as a free ride. So long as Media Matters et al can cast him as the young hero for gun control, he will be of use.

 

[exoplanet]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

Of course, he's fair game. But as you've demonstrated, he's also unfair game for those who sit in judgment of others and seem not to understand that the Senator might be just a wee preoccupied because, you know, he's dying.

Hogg replied to a McCain's tweet touting his op-ed. McCain doesn't seem to be entirely absorbed by his own cancer.

Furthermore, it was a simple question. If McCain believes that taking money from the NRA is acceptable, then why would he be offended by explaining it?

 

[jet57]

Re: David Hogg Goes After John McCain: Why Do You Take So Much Money From the NRA?

He's 81 years old, suffering from an aggressive form of brain cancer and he's been undergoing chemo and radiation therapy. The treatment alone will be leaving him very sick and frail, never mind the complications arising from the actual cancer. He will be in no condition to answer any questions right now.

I know who he is what he has: he's going to be on The View next week; did you know that? So he is in fine condition given his circumstance.