Dang - I felt dirty watching this [W:336]

[opendebate]

I laughed my ass off - the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

But seriously - people expect her to, what, stay 16? If parents don't approve - don't let the kids listen, anymore, when an artist hits the 'adult' phase :shrug: She sucks as a singer, they aren't missing anything.

I wouldn't diminish the absurdity of this video by saying that she is an adult now. It would be hideous regardless of her age. Granted, we can chose not to watch, but since it's here and we are commenting..... what does it say that for a young woman to transition into being considered an adult in mainstream pop-culture she has to turn into a stripper? Seriously?! seriously...

 

[opendebate]

Eh. I'm not going to lie. A man could do much worse as far as booty is concerned.

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It's all the retarded facial expressions combined with the arm flailing and awkward prancing around that turns me off.

Frankly, I'm not really all that big on "twerking" as a general concept anyway.

There simply isn't any grace or style to it. It doesn't come off as being in any way feminine.

Being feminine may be a bit of a lost art.

 

[ChrisL]

Eh. I'm not going to lie. A man could do much worse as far as booty is concerned.

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It's all the retarded facial expressions combined with the arm flailing and awkward prancing around that turns me off.

Frankly, I'm not really all that big on "twerking" as a general concept anyway.

There simply isn't any grace or style to it. It doesn't come off as being in any way feminine.

Lol! I don't think the point is to be "feminine." I think the point is to be sexually suggestive.

 

[opendebate]

Lol! I don't think the point is to be "feminine." I think the point is to be sexually suggestive.

If that's a suggestion I would hate to see something blatant.

 

[ChrisL]

If that's a suggestion I would hate to see something blatant.

Well, you know what I mean. The point is that it's really not taking femininity into consideration; it's a sexually provocative move. Personally, I think it looks ridiculous. Women who do that "dance" apparently like to make a spectacle of themselves. :lol:

 

[ChrisL]

I wouldn't diminish the absurdity of this video by saying that she is an adult now. It would be hideous regardless of her age. Granted, we can chose not to watch, but since it's here and we are commenting..... what does it say that for a young woman to transition into being considered an adult in mainstream pop-culture she has to turn into a stripper? Seriously?! seriously...

It's because that's all she has to fall back on. She doesn't have any true talent where she could put on a nice elegant dress and sing like a real singer. She would become completely irrelevant, so she's going to be doing stuff like this with the shock factor and making a spectacle of herself so that she can try to remain relevant. She's getting too old and irrelevant for the tweens now.

 

[Gathomas88]

Lol! I don't think the point is to be "feminine." I think the point is to be sexually suggestive.

True, but there are simply better ways to do it, IMO. Latin dances, for instance, are pretty sexually suggestive, and they manage to be so without requiring that women bend over and almost literally "present" themselves like epileptic cats in heat. :lol:

I've had black girls literally pin me to the wall with their asses in night clubs before, and it still doesn't do nearly as much to turn me on as the slightly more creative forms of dancing other girls do.

 

[ChrisL]

True, but there are simply better ways to do it, IMO. Latin dances, for instance, are pretty sexual suggestive, and they manage to be so without requiring that women bend over and almost literally "present" themselves like freaking epileptic cats in heat. :lol:

I've had black girls literally pin to the wall with their asses in night clubs before, and it still doesn't do nearly as much to turn me on as the slightly more restrained forms of dancing other girls do.

Well like I said, girls that do this kind of "dancing" are looking to make a spectacle of themselves.

 

[humbolt]

Would be a lot better if it was Betty White doing that stuff.

 

[ChrisL]

Would be a lot better if it was Betty White doing that stuff.

:lamo

 

[opendebate]

Well, you know what I mean. The point is that it's really not taking femininity into consideration; it's a sexually provocative move. Personally, I think it looks ridiculous. Women who do that "dance" apparently like to make a spectacle of themselves. :lol:

I agree, but in an ultimately destructive way. (I was responding to another post when I mentioned that BTW.)

I had this conversation with my nieces about woman in pop culture being so overtly sexual in their performances. They argued that the women were being powerful by taking control of their sexuality. I called BS because ultimately they are performing in a way that they believe men would find stimulating it is not (with a few exceptions) an expression of their individual sexuality, they are still being puppets. Also, that women have been objectified and made sexual objects by men throughout history so using your sexuality to express your power is playing into the same thing.

 

[opendebate]

It's because that's all she has to fall back on. She doesn't have any true talent where she could put on a nice elegant dress and sing like a real singer. She would become completely irrelevant, so she's going to be doing stuff like this with the shock factor and making a spectacle of herself so that she can try to remain relevant. She's getting too old and irrelevant for the tweens now.

Yes, I agree. It's sad really.

 

[ChrisL]

I agree, but in an ultimately destructive way. (I was responding to another post when I mentioned that BTW.)

I has this conversation with my nieces about woman in pop culture being so overtly sexual in their performances. They argued that the woman we being powerful by taking control of their sexuality. I called BS because ultimately they are performing in a way that they believe men would find stimulating it is not (with a few exceptions) an expression of their individual sexuality, they are still being puppets. Also, that women have been objectified and made sexual objects by men throughout history so using your sexuality to express your power is playing into the same thing.

I don't have a problem with women expressing their sexuality. If Miley wants to go around with her tongue hanging out and rump humping everyone in sight, it's not my business. I just think she looks like an idiot. If that's what the men like, they got issues IMO!

 

[opendebate]

True, but there are simply better ways to do it, IMO. Latin dances, for instance, are pretty sexually suggestive, and they manage to be so without requiring that women bend over and almost literally "present" themselves like freaking epileptic cats in heat. :lol:

I've had black girls literally pin to the wall with their asses in night clubs before, and it still doesn't do nearly as much to turn me on as the slightly more creative forms of dancing other girls do.

I would think that a man would find that kind of hyper aggressiveness from a woman a bit of a turn off. Men prefer to be the aggressors, woman are more subtle with their sexual aggression. I guess I am pretty old fashioned.

 

[ChrisL]

I would think that a man would find that kind of hyper aggressiveness from a woman a bit of a turn off. Men prefer to be the aggressors, woman are more subtle with their sexual aggression. I guess I am pretty old fashioned.

Not ALL men.

 

[Gathomas88]

I agree, but in an ultimately destructive way. (I was responding to another post when I mentioned that BTW.)

I has this conversation with my nieces about woman in pop culture being so overtly sexual in their performances. They argued that the woman we being powerful by taking control of their sexuality. I called BS because ultimately they are performing in a way that they believe men would find stimulating it is not (with a few exceptions) an expression of their individual sexuality, they are still being puppets. Also, that women have been objectified and made sexual objects by men throughout history so using your sexuality to express your power is playing into the same thing.

Exactly. Men do not look at those kinds of girls and think to themselves "wow, what a strong and empowered woman." We look at them and think, "you know what, she'll probably put out."

All that kind of behavior really does is make it easier for the same kinds of sexually aggressive scumbags who have always preyed upon women to bag their quarry.

The rise of explicitly woman hating movements like the "pick up artist culture" in recent decades only goes to prove this point. Sexually aggressive behavior doesn't "empower" women. It just makes them easier for men to objectify.

 

[opendebate]

Not ALL men.

No, not all. And it depends on the situation too.

 

[ChrisL]

Exactly. Men do not look at those kinds of girls and think to themselves "wow, what a strong and empowered woman." We look at them and think, "you know what, she'll probably put out."

All that kind of behavior really does is make it easier for the same kinds of sexually aggressive scumbags who have always preyed upon women to bag their quarry.

The rise of explicitly woman hating movements like the "pick up artist culture" in recent decades only go to prove this point. Sexually aggressive behavior doesn't "empower" women. It just makes them easier for men to objectify.

I agree to an extent, about a lot women taking this stuff to extremes, but women and men are sexual creatures.

 

[Gipper]

What the problem is?

 

[Gathomas88]

I would think that a man would find that kind of hyper aggressiveness from a woman a bit of a turn off. Men prefer to be the aggressors, woman are more subtle with their sexual aggression. I guess I am pretty old fashioned.

It can certainly be off putting.

Don't get me wrong. There are some kinds of sexual aggression in women that can be very attractive. Teasing, for instance, drives me absolutely wild, especially if the woman in question knows how to pull it off.

Straight up groinal ass assault, however; is maybe pushing things just a tad too far. :lol:

I agree to an extent, about a lot women taking this stuff to extremes, but women and men are sexual creatures.

True. However, I'd say that there is a difference between cutting your baser nature loose every now and then, and going into full on "monkey throwing feces" mode.

Miley's behavior seems to have drifted pretty squarely into the realm of the latter. lol

 

[opendebate]

It can certainly be off putting.

Don't get me wrong. There are some kinds of sexual aggression in women that can be very attractive. Teasing, for instance, drives me absolutely wild, especially if the woman in question knows how to pull it off.

Straight up groinal ass assault, however; is maybe pushing things just a tad too far. :lol:

True. However, I'd say that there is a difference between cutting your baser nature loose every now and then, and going in to full on "monkey throwing feces" mode.

Miley's behavior seems to have drifted pretty squarely into the realm of the latter. lol

But ultimately I guess ... to each their own.

 

[rhinefire]

Whatever she did not even the freaks were comfortable with it

 

[ChrisL]

True. However, I'd say that there is a difference between cutting your baser nature loose every now and then, and going in to full on "monkey throwing feces" mode.

Miley's behavior seems to have drifted pretty squarely into the realm of the latter. lol

:rofl I do agree about Miley. I found her behavior to be most UN-sexy and actually quite hilarious. She's probably going to the punchline of a LOT of jokes. That's always fun. :mrgreen: So see? She's good for something after all.

 

[Superfly]

A major controversy is she use to be. All American girl next door. Parents camping out with kids to get tickets to see her all because she was so wholesome. Took a per-martial chastity vow and made it public complete with purity ring. Squeaky clean lyrics in her songs. Mom and Dad were very involved in her career and work related travel; a big family thing.

I still think she a good girl at heart but for some reason she or her handlers feel need to project a wild woman image, reinventing herself from that of the younger Disney child star. She had some public conflict with her dad and admitted to using marijuana, which is legal in California but doesn't drink. She has had a grand total of one boyfriend her whole life with whom she's engaged and remember, she is a professional actress. I personally tend to think the naughty girl routine is theatrical and possibly a touch of youthful rebellion of which she'll eventually turn from and come back to her roots.

I know - I was talking to Hubs about that this morning. He had read me an article a few years ago, at the height of the Hannah Montana popularity. He said that, despite her popularity, her father kept her on a normal teenage reign. She didn't come up and say, "Give me $5,000 because I need this purse," or "Give me $1,000 because I want this new phone." She was treated like a normal teenager to keep her feet on the ground. We didn't mind the girls watching her, because she was such a good, wholesome kid. Sad to see the direction she's taken.

 

[ChrisL]

Maybe she would have been better off if she stuck to acting instead of trying to sing.