Current Attempts to destroy Gun rights in Congress

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Society

He was even shown to be mugged by petty thugs at one point

He wanted to be loved but was anything but.

Here's part of the NY Times' review:


"That’s the Joker’s alter ego: a lonely, damaged man eking out an abject living as a clown-for-hire and living in a drab apartment with his mother...Fleck is bullied by thieving poor kids and drunken rich guys, goaded to the point of murder by the meanness of the world. He has a crush on a neighbor (Zazie Beetz) that he thinks might be reciprocated. He keeps a notebook full of stand-up material and works up the nerve to go onstage at a nightclub open-mic night...
...But he also carries the burden of being a victimized Everyman in a parable that can’t get its story straight. Arthur’s uncontrollable laughter arises from a medical condition that is possibly the result of childhood abuse. His profound alienation also arises from social inequality, the decline of civility, political corruption, television, government bureaucracy and a slew of other causes. Rich people are awful. Poor people are awful. Joker’s embrace of radical evil becomes a kind of integrity..."


‘Joker’ Review: Are You Kidding Me? - The New York Times


Joker was the victim, a "victimized everyman"



Tell me what you thought you were watching.

So now we're talking about make believe comic book characters.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Gun rights are not trying to be squashed that is a mischaracterization aka typical NRA blah blah blah. It is an effort to get assault weapons off the market the ones that have rapid fire capacity and truly are not necessary. Hunting weapons will still be available and most likely some revolver types.

Full automatics are already banned unless you've got a Class III firearms permit.

 

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Why not ban all revolvers too ?

Why not allow revolvers? They are usually going to have a much lower round count and rate of fire than semi autos and they have less ballistic power than rifles.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Because they look scary and have been used in a few high profile mass shootings.

The UK banned semi-auto rifles in 1987 and still suffered a mass shooting at a school in 1996, committed with hand guns.

Semi auto rifles are the most commonly used rifles for hunting, you might often need a quick follow up shot particularly when hunting medium to large game.

 

[Rich2018]

So now we're talking about make believe comic book characters.

I didn't raise the subject

The Russian guy did, claiming the Joker movie showed him as a "winner"


This was in response to me assertion that there's a code that bad guys mustn't win in Hollywood movies (and TV Btw) - unless you can claim historical accuracy.
Crime can never be shown to pay
(movie makers try to blur the edges as much as they can by showing "criminals" breaking to law for "good" reasons getting away with it - like Swordfish or the Jason Bourne movies).
But even "The Producers" and "The Blues Brothers" ended up in jail.


Have you ever noticed in reality TV shows about police chasers, the bad guy always gets caught ?

This is to foster the perception to young people especially that crime never pays and you end up in jail.


I've been told you can buy "underground" videos of police chases where the bad guys get away.

 

[Rich2018]

Semi auto rifles are the most commonly used rifles for hunting, you might often need a quick follow up shot particularly when hunting medium to large game.

Possibly, but you don't need one to hunt.

Why not allow revolvers? They are usually going to have a much lower round count and rate of fire than semi autos and they have less ballistic power than rifles.

Because it makes no sense to ban pistols fed by a clip magazine but not those fed by a revolving cylinder

I've got nothing to prove...

Yes you do, in post #327 you said:

Ask the government, its their law not mine.

Stating that there's a law against carry a gun openly at a political rally for the president

I dispute this claim and demanded that you prove there is such a law
Which obviously, you can't

More moving the goal posts

Maybe it just means we've got different goals.

Mine is honest debate, yours isn't always

You flounder about by changing your words and what you say you meant when you're tripped up
Like just now being shown to have made a positive claim and then claiming you have nothing to prove. So in your mind, doyou think you can make any claim you want and be absolved from the burden of proof ?
Seemingly you do think this...hence your "goals" don't match "truth"

No Im not.

LOL

Spoken with all the intelligence and thoughtful reply of a pantomime villain


"Oh no it isn't...oh yes it is..."

You're talking about shootings in general Im talking about high profile shootings where innocent people are killed, OH NOOOOO! IM MOVING GOALPOSTS

Yes, and you've just made another totally unsubstantiated claim, that doubtless you also feel that you have "nothing to prove"

Im not talking about shootings in general, see above.

So as above ZERO evidence

 

[TypicalRussian]

Says who ?


Just because you don't understand what you've watched, you probably think "Joker" was a DC Universe action movie". It wasn't

He was a victim. A loser.

But I guess you're entitled to your own, personal take on the movie
Just that you're on your own and have a different interpretation to the rest of the world.

If you dispute this, post a review stating that Joker was, in any way, a winner in the movie





What was from death camps?
More evidence of your word salad


How did patriotism get America to NOT be a totalitarian state ?
Are you suggesting that if Britain had won the Revolutionary War, the USA would today resemble Canada, Australia or New Zealand ?

You talk utter nonsense, apart from when you're lying of course.

He was a victim of society first but he won in the end by achieving his goals-killing his enemies and become king of the clown rioters

USA is one of the most patriotic country, why isn't it ruled by a dictator and doesn't have death camps?

 

[Rich2018]

what do you have against moths? too many ruined wool sweaters?

"Both"


Sorry, I forgot you are deficient at reading Typonese.

 

[Rich2018]

He was a victim of society first but he won in the end by achieving his goals-killing his enemies and become king of the clown rioters

He was a loser and lost

But go ahead and cling on to your personal belief in the movie. Everyone is entitled to an opinion
Just that yours is not shared by anyone in the world

USA is one of the most patriotic country, why isn't it ruled by a dictator and doesn't have death camps?

Yeah, I've definitely put it in the top 200 one of the most patriotic countries in the word

Is the USA more patriotic than say France ?

If you say yes, then show your evidence.

 

[Rich2018]

It is hilarious that someone admits that something that looks scary ought to be banned,. DOesn't Nancy Pelosi fit that description?

No but Trump's hair does.

 

[TypicalRussian]

He was a loser and lost

But go ahead and cling on to your personal belief in the movie. Everyone is entitled to an opinion
Just that yours is not shared by anyone in the world





Yeah, I've definitely put it in the top 200 one of the most patriotic countries in the word

Is the USA more patriotic than say France ?

If you say yes, then show your evidence.

He was not a loser, he won-he destroyed his enemies and became KING

France Has Neither Nationalism nor Patriotism | Spengler

Just 29% of the French are willing to fight for their country, according to a 2017 WIN/Gallup poll, a bit above Germany's 18%. Contrast that to 84% of Israel's Jewish population. That's "patriotism" or "nationalism," as you prefer. All Europeans want is an untroubled journey to extinction. As it happens, there is a reasonably tight statistical relationship between the total fertility rate and readiness to defend one's country. In the case of France, I used the estimated fertility rate for women born in France (migrants push up the total).

Why should any European lay down his life for the welfare of future generations, when there aren't going to be any future generations? Europe's nationalism, as I argued in my 2011 book How Civilizations Die and in the appended essay on the First World War, was a form of national idolatry. Each of the major European nations worshipped at its own altar, and held itself to be a superior culture, a superior civilization, a new Roman Empire, or a new "chosen people," entitled to dominate its neighbors. French grandeur, German Kultur, and Russian messianism fought each other to the death twice in the 20th Century. If you worship yourself, you become the God that failed. Europe wallows in its own pessimism and self-disgust.

 

[RF667799]

I didn't raise the subject

The Russian guy did, claiming the Joker movie showed him as a "winner"


This was in response to me assertion that there's a code that bad guys mustn't win in Hollywood movies (and TV Btw) - unless you can claim historical accuracy.
Crime can never be shown to pay
(movie makers try to blur the edges as much as they can by showing "criminals" breaking to law for "good" reasons getting away with it - like Swordfish or the Jason Bourne movies).
But even "The Producers" and "The Blues Brothers" ended up in jail.


Have you ever noticed in reality TV shows about police chasers, the bad guy always gets caught ?

This is to foster the perception to young people especially that crime never pays and you end up in jail.


I've been told you can buy "underground" videos of police chases where the bad guys get away.

Any evidence that movie makers are legally bound to show "the bad guy loses"?

 

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I Have you ever noticed in reality TV shows about police chasers, the bad guy always gets caught ?

I usually don't waste my time watching reality shows especially considering that the "reality" can be highly questionable.

This is to foster the perception to young people especially that crime never pays and you end up in jail.

That is because they pick and choose situations where they bad guys get caught and only air that, they cherry pick just like you.

I've been told you can buy "underground" videos of police chases where the bad guys get away.

I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Possibly, but you don't need one to hunt.

Depends on what you're hunting.

Because it makes no sense to ban pistols fed by a clip magazine but not those fed by a revolving cylinder

Why not?

And there is no such thing as a "clip magazine," clips and magazines are two different things.

Yes you do, in post #327 you said:

Stating that there's a law against carry a gun openly at a political rally for the president

I dispute this claim and demanded that you prove there is such a law

All you do is ask for proof and evidence, as I point out in the penalty box in the basement.

Which obviously, you can't

My proof is my own first hand experience.

Mine is honest debate, yours isn't always

Honesty is a characteristic you don't have.

You flounder about by changing your words and what you say you meant when you're tripped up

You must be looking in a mirror.

Like just now being shown to have made a positive claim and then claiming you have nothing to prove. So in your mind, doyou think you can make any claim you want and be absolved from the burden of proof ?

I can when the proof is obvious.

Yes, and you've just made another totally unsubstantiated claim, that doubtless you also feel that you have "nothing to prove"

I don't have to prove the obvious.

So as above ZERO evidence

There's evidence, you just can't recognize it.

 

[Rich2018]

He was not a loser, he won-he destroyed his enemies and became KING

In your opinion - not in the opinion of everyone else

Show me a single review that agrees with your absurd claim


Joker LOST.

Just 29% of the French are willing to fight for their country...

So what ?


The French are overwhelmingly willing to fund public healthcare from taxation - Americans are not
Proving that the French are more patriotic than the USA

 

[Rich2018]

I usually don't waste my time watching reality shows especially considering that the "reality" can be highly questionable.

But you are aware that the TV genre exists and within it some shows show video action of police chases ?

That is because they pick and choose situations where they bad guys get caught...

Doh

And they do this BECAUSE they want to "foster the perception to young people especially that crime never pays and you end up in jail."

So they don't show the chases where the bad guys "win"

Depends on what you're hunting.

Nope, what animals subject to a hunt do you need a semi-auto rifle for, that a bolt action can't suffice

(and don't shift the goal posts by including pest control like mice and rats, I was talking about HUNTING)


That is because they pick and choose situations where they bad guys get caught and only air that, they cherry pick just like you.

Why not?

And there is no such thing as a "clip magazine," clips and magazines are two different things.

Then what differences are there between ammunition fed to a pistol by a revolving cylinder and fed to a pistol by a clip magazine ?

And "clip" is a common term for a magazine

All you do is ask for proof and evidence...

And all you do is make a comment, stating it as fact, without and substantiating evidence

You said there is a law preventing open carry at a political rally attended by the president. I say this is false

You have made a false claim and are trying to wriggle out of substantiating it, because you can't

My proof is my own first hand experience.

That's not proof, that is at best hearsay, and at worst simple lying

Honesty is a characteristic you don't have.

Like claiming false experience as "proof"

You must be looking in a mirror.

Says Mr self admitted "goal post" mover

Do you want the post# where you admitted doing so ?

I can when the proof is obvious.

And you get to say what is obvious ?

So you think that by declaring a "fact" obvious, it absolves the poster of the burden of proof ?

I don't have to prove the obvious.

Yes you do, when what only you perceive (or dishonestly claim) is "obvious", is challenged as being false

It may be "obvious" to you that Trump is a good president. What you perceive/claim means the √ SFA

There's evidence, you just can't recognize it.

You mean you can't post it

Go on, I'm waiting for evidence that there's a law preventing the open carry of guns at political rallies attended by the president.

 

[TypicalRussian]

In your opinion - not in the opinion of everyone else

Show me a single review that agrees with your absurd claim


Joker LOST.




So what ?


The French are overwhelmingly willing to fund public healthcare from taxation - Americans are not
Proving that the French are more patriotic than the USA

Wrong, in most peoples opinion, he won

That is not patriotic, free healthcare is a disaster and being patriotic has NOTHING to do with healthcare. That is absurd

 

[Rich2018]

Wrong, in most peoples opinion, he won

Nope, just in yours

That is not patriotic, free healthcare is a disaster and being patriotic has NOTHING to do with healthcare. That is absurd

Of course it does, being willing to sacrifice part of your income to fund healthcare for others.

How can that NOT be patriotic

It's a lot more patriotic than taking tax payers money and working for the government.

 

[Tigerace117]

Guns don’t have rights.

They are inanimate objects.

 

[TurtleDude]

Guns don’t have rights.

They are inanimate objects.

true, and neither does property or abortions but everyone understands that

Property rights involve the rights of property owners etc

 

[yankintx]

I hope it gets lots of press before the election-I hope Joe Biden-assuming he is your nominee-makes it a major part of his campaign.

Major part of Biden's campaign will be highlighting Trump's failures the last two months. Bye bye Trump

 

[TurtleDude]

Major part of Biden's campaign will be highlighting Trump's failures the last two months. Bye bye Trump

That assumes he is able to actually discuss that without stepping on his own dick. But lots of Americans don't see Trump has having failed over the last two months. That mainly comes from those who already had TDS and want to blame Trump for everything

 

[yankintx]

That assumes he is able to actually discuss that without stepping on his own dick. But lots of Americans don't see Trump has having failed over the last two months. That mainly comes from those who already had TDS and want to blame Trump for everything

Oh TD you keep telling yourself that, it will just make election day that much more difficult to cope.

 

[TurtleDude]

Oh TD you keep telling yourself that, it will just make election day that much more difficult to cope.

I suspect that no matter what happens, I will handle the election day far better than the TDS crowd did. My favorite-at about 1.30 AM or so, I turned my attention to NBC (I had two channels on and several windows of different news reports running) and saw a very pretty 25 or so woman bawling her eyes out. I assumed she was a Hillary delegate-I was wrong-she was an NBC reporter at the Hillary HQ!

 

[yankintx]

I suspect that no matter what happens, I will handle the election day far better than the TDS crowd did. My favorite-at about 1.30 AM or so, I turned my attention to NBC (I had two channels on and several windows of different news reports running) and saw a very pretty 25 or so woman bawling her eyes out. I assumed she was a Hillary delegate-I was wrong-she was an NBC reporter at the Hillary HQ!

You will be hanging on to that memory while stroking your gun. I am sure Obama will be out there campaigning for Joe in the Autumn, get out the African American vote, now that should make a few Righties shudder lol