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Cuomo blames federal tax law for $2.3 billion New York state budget deficit

Only one problem with this.. Obamas major debt increase happened during the second worst economic crisis in US history.

Trumps is happening during in boom years where the debt should be paying off.. Instead he is going for a record debt increase in a non recession year... And that is really bad.

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California is essentially one big welfare state

They have the highest child poverty rate in the Nation
https://www.kidsdata.org/blog/?p=8181

The have the highest overall poverty rate when cost of living is taken into consideration
https://www.politifact.com/californ...alifornia-has-nations-highest-poverty-rate-w/

No other state comes close to California in terms of total welfare spending
https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/7023CB16-D45E-11E7-A76A-5E704A7B539D

LA County has the second largest homeless population in the US. New York City has the largest
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...ghest-homeless-population-of-u-s-regions/amp/
 

You forgot two... Stop adding debt at such a ridiculous rate, no tax policy in the world can keep up with welfare, Medicare for all, Obamacare, the Green New Deal, etc...
And keep taxes at a point that allows the economy to thrive and create jobs, which, pay taxes.

And, what needs to be said is, screw the federal government and taxes. We are not here to make the federal government rich. They are here to serve us, not the other way around. The government should be given the absolute minimum amount of money needed to operate in a Constitutionally compliant manner. Yet, we have so many Congressmen that are devoted to figuring out new ways to take our money and give it to the government.
 

I make no value judgment; I regard deficit financing as an essential management tool. I just like to fire a shot across the bows of partisan tub-thumpers from time to time. Two points: the crisis faced by Obama may or may not have been the "second worst" in US history, and we don't know whether Trump's debt increase is "really bad." I prefer my narratives without hyperbole, thanks.
 

What are you talking about, "wild accusations". It's neither wild nor is it an accusation. These are facts. Less money = more debt.
 

President Obama’s debt actually grew at a slower annual rate than any of the Republican presidents even though there were events that negatively impacted the deficit that started before he became President.

Closing the loopholes is the only common sense approach to putting more money into programs that would benefit the majority of the NY population and not give special privilege to corporations. It's a no-brainer. I know this because I was the co-owner of an LLC corporation. It's the biggest legal tax scam ever perpetrated on the American public in our country's history.
 
What are you talking about, "wild accusations". It's neither wild nor is it an accusation. These are facts. Less money = more debt.

Your claim that the 2018 deficit was due to tax cuts for the rich is a wild unfounded and unsubstantiated claim. Keep ignoring the Treasury data
 

Flat tax would be the best, fairest, easiest way to go. Repeal the income tax, go to a flat tax.
 

Are you truly this economics challenged? Deficits growing still add to the debt and it was sequester and a Republican Congress that lowered the deficits as obama had 4 straight years of trillion dollar deficits and added 9.3 trillion to the debt. now what does this have to do with the thread topic? You want to lower the deficit and pay off the debt, stop with the class envy and jealousy, cut spending and get the approximately 50% of income earners who pay zero in FIT to actually pay something
 
Your claim that the 2018 deficit was due to tax cuts for the rich is a wild unfounded and unsubstantiated claim. Keep ignoring the Treasury data

No, it's a fact. Here's the easier way I can get the idea though to you. Less income tax paid to the U.S. government equals an exploding deficit. Less money- more debt. Got it yet?
 
No, it's a fact. Here's the easier way I can get the idea though to you. Less income tax paid to the U.S. government equals an exploding deficit. Less money- more debt. Got it yet?

That is a liberal fact far from reality, post the treasury data supporting your claim or be mature enough to apologize and admit being wrong
 
Flat tax would be the best, fairest, easiest way to go. Repeal the income tax, go to a flat tax.

I think a flat tax is a great idea actually but it wouldn't ever fly in Congress. There's too many millionaires in Congress that would have to pay their fair share. Our current tax system is extremely discriminatory towards the lower income population. The problem that I see is that flat taxes are usually imposed on wages only, meaning that there’s no tax on capital gains or investments. There's too many loopholes for the wealthy to hide their exorbitant incomes.
 
That is a liberal fact far from reality, post the treasury data supporting your claim or be mature enough to apologize and admit being wrong

You are an illogical person without common sense or critical thinking. Debating someone like you is like debating a brick wall. You're dismissed.
 
You are an illogical person without common sense or critical thinking. Debating someone like you is like debating a brick wall. You're dismissed.

And you aren't interested in providing sources or data for your claims just looking for attention, no more from me until you answer direct questions, post the Treasury data supporting your claim that the 2018 deficit was due to revenue reduction and tax cuts for the rich?
 

VAX taxes in Europe, their version of a flat tax on consumption, have proven harmful to the middle-class and poor. Needless to say, we have sales and transfer taxes here in most states, which are also flat taxes and more of a burden on the middleclass and poor.
 

We have one POTUS at a time. Each is responsible for what occurs during his term.
 
I don't understand the governor's argument. The SALT deduction impacts federal taxes, anything due to the state and local governments would still need to be paid.

The SALT deduction acts as a subsidy for state and local taxes - reduces their after tax cost. If you're in the top tax bracket, any amount paid over the $10,000 cap acts like a 35% state and local tax increase for the amount over $10k.

Ex. Pay 100k in SALT, take a deduction for the full amount, gives you a $35,000 reduction in your federal income taxes paid/payable.

Post TCJA, you get a deduction for $10k only, saves $3,500 in federal income taxes.

Difference - $31,500, which is equivalent to a $31,500 tax increase, because that's the amount your federal income tax bill exceeds what your bill would have been under the old law.
 

Yup. The SALT deduction was a subsidy to high earners in high tax states.
 
Yup. The SALT deduction was a subsidy to high earners in high tax states.

And it should stop, along with the richer states subsidizing the lower taxed red states. Everyone should pay their own way. States like Ala, and Kentucky getting $2 back for every dollar they put in? Disgusting, let them pay their own way.



New York gets 56 cents back for every dollar and California gets 64 cents. But states such as North Dakota, South Carolina, Alabama, Kentucky, West Virginia and Indiana get more than two dollars back in federal spending for every dollar in taxes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/10/06/are-red-low-tax-states-subsidizing-blue-high-tax-states-through-the-tax-code/?utm_term=.ca1b2aa0548a
 

They pay their own way, but they receive more under federal programs that are paid everywhere.
 
When calculating how much funding the various states get from the federal government vs how much they pay, it doesn't count the SALT deduction which, in itself, represents a federal subsidy.

Sure it does, because the SALT deduction reduces the amount residents in those states pay in federal income taxes.
 
They pay their own way, but they receive more under federal programs that are paid everywhere.

Paid everywhere? What?

Anyway they receive more that they put in, so they don't pay their own way, it's a subsidy. Welfare if you like that word better.
 
Paid everywhere? What?

Anyway they receive more that they put in, so they don't pay their own way, it's a subsidy. Welfare if you like that word better.

Federal expenditures are paid where federal programs call for them. The state-by-state breakdown is an artificial and irrelevant presentation, most useful for political spin. No state tax burden is made lighter by federal expenditures, or made heavier by their absence.
 
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