Cumulus Media to it's right wing radio hosts: Stop claiming the election was stolen, or face termination

[Gaius46]

Eh, whats a little more censorship? Let me know when the FCC pulls licenses.

Stopping defamation is not censorship.

 

[jonny5]

Stopping defamation is not censorship.

It would be pretty difficult to prove that a person expressing an opinion about the validity of an election is defaming the USA, state govts, or politicians, to meet the legal definition of defamation. In fact, Cumulus defamed these hosts by threatening to fire them for their opinions. That would be easier to prove. Meanwhile, censorship is far more accurate:

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient."

 

[snakestretcher]

It would be pretty difficult to prove that a person expressing an opinion about the validity of an election is defaming the USA, state govts, or politicians, to meet the legal definition of defamation. In fact, Cumulus defamed these hosts by threatening to fire them for their opinions. That would be easier to prove. Meanwhile, censorship is far more accurate:

True statements cannot be defamatory. That's the law.

 

[Gaius46]

It would be pretty difficult to prove that a person expressing an opinion about the validity of an election is defaming the USA, state govts, or politicians, to meet the legal definition of defamation. In fact, Cumulus defamed these hosts by threatening to fire them for their opinions. That would be easier to prove. Meanwhile, censorship is far more accurate:

It’s been established as a matter of fact that there wasn’t election intereference to the extent that the election was stolen from Trump. That’s what all those court cases represent.

Continuing to state that the election was stolen isat this point a lie. Stating that Dominion helped steal the election would similarly be a lie. I’d also assume that there is an audit trail a mile long attesting to the fact that Dominion’s machines didn’t change votes.

Since those statement hurt Dominion’s reputation they are defamatory.

 

[jonny5]

It’s been established as a matter of fact that there wasn’t election intereference to the extent that the election was stolen from Trump.

No it hasnt, therefore the rest of your post is irrelevant. Interference or no interference is an opinion. Which is why this is censorship, not defamation.

 

[Gaius46]

No it hasnt, therefore the rest of your post is irrelevant. Interference or no interference is an opinion. Which is why this is censorship, not defamation.

The courts established it as fact. Under our legal that’s all that matters.

 

[Buckeyes85]

It would be pretty difficult to prove that a person expressing an opinion about the validity of an election is defaming the USA, state govts, or politicians, to meet the legal definition of defamation. In fact, Cumulus defamed these hosts by threatening to fire them for their opinions. That would be easier to prove. Meanwhile, censorship is far more accurate:

Your understanding of defamation is, shall we say rather unique. How is a broadcaster guilty of defamation by controlling the content of its own shows? And note, I didn't read the Cumulus message quite the same as listed in the the OP. The hosts were told to stop claiming that the election has not ended but in fact has been resolved, e.g. that Trump can still win. A point that will be moot as of noon tomorrow.

 

[jonny5]

The courts established it as fact. Under our legal that’s all that matters.

Courts offer opinions, they dont establish facts.

 

[jonny5]

Your understanding of defamation is, shall we say rather unique. How is a broadcaster guilty of defamation by controlling the content of its own shows? And note, I didn't read the Cumulus message quite the same as listed in the the OP. The hosts were told to stop claiming that the election has not ended but in fact has been resolved, e.g. that Trump can still win. A point that will be moot as of noon tomorrow.

I didnt say a broadcaster was guilty of defamation, only that it was more believable than saying a private citizens saying the election was stolen is defaming (the us? states?)

I said its censorship, suppressing an opinion because you dont like it. And they can censor whoever they want.

 

[VySky]

The owner of Cumulus Media, which employs some of the bigger right wing radio hosts in the country such as Mark Levin, Dan Bongino, and Ben Shapiro, has released an internal memo telling hosts not to continue questioning the results of the election or they will face immediate termination.

“We need to help induce national calm NOW. We will not tolerate any suggestion that the election has not ended. The election has been resolved and there are no alternate acceptable ‘paths.’ If you transgress this policy, you can expect to separate from the company immediately."

While I am sure the ultimate reason for this move was to keep advertisers from jumping ship, it's still welcome and long past due.

Talk-Radio Owner Threatens to Fire Hosts Who Dispute Election Results

A media company that employs right wing talk-radio hosts, including Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, and Dan Bongino, circulated a memo after the pro-Trump riots on Capitol Hill telling hosts to dial down allegations of election fraud, or else face termination.Cumulus Media sent the internal memo to...

news.yahoo.com

I'm sure Mark will tell them stick it where the sun don't shine

 

[Buckeyes85]

I didnt say a broadcaster was guilty of defamation, only that it was more believable than saying a private citizens saying the election was stolen is defaming (the us? states?)

I said its censorship, suppressing an opinion because you dont like it. And they can censor whoever they want.

Well neither example is defamation. Not an issue of one being more believable.
As for the censorship claim, not sure who you are referring to. Of course media companies can and do control their own content. Not an issue of censorship.

 

[beefheart]

Rush’s audience has the among highest percentages of college graduates of any media audience. Sorry to bust your false narrative

Yeah, sure.

 

[Gaius46]

Courts offer opinions, they dont establish facts.

Keep saying that if it makes you feel better. Won’t help anyone Dominion sues.

 

[jonny5]

Keep saying that if it makes you feel better. Won’t help anyone Dominion sues.

Will do.

 

[code1211]

It was higher but also the lines in some cases took hours. That should have never happened.

There are sometimes lines for things that are popular.

Again, the number of voters was the largest in history in Texas.

Do you have a link to support the existence of the long lines and the direct cause of the long lines at individual polling places?

 

[Slartibartfast]

There are sometimes lines for things that are popular.

Again, the number of voters was the largest in history in Texas.

Do you have a link to support the existence of the long lines and the direct cause of the long lines at individual polling places?

No, I don't accept that, voting should take no longer than 45 minutes of wating in any reasonable democracy.

Why Do Nonwhite Georgia Voters Have To Wait In Line For Hours? Too Few Polling Places

The state's voter rolls have grown by nearly 2 million since the U.S. Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act in 2013, but polling locations have been cut by almost 10%.

www.npr.org

 

[code1211]

No, I don't accept that, voting should take no longer than 45 minutes of wating in any reasonable democracy.

Why Do Nonwhite Georgia Voters Have To Wait In Line For Hours? Too Few Polling Places

The state's voter rolls have grown by nearly 2 million since the U.S. Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act in 2013, but polling locations have been cut by almost 10%.

www.npr.org

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!

You said that the State of Texas had changed laws and that this change had inhibited the ability to cast a vote.

What made you change over to Georgia? Are you saying that changes to voting law in Texas disenfranchised voters in Georgia?

In the article, the problems seem to have been occurring in the densely populated urban areas. The areas run and managed by the Democrats-Socialists.

In addition to their other poorly considered decisions and conclusions by the Democrat-Socialists, this one seems to be legitimately added.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!

You said that the State of Texas had changed laws and that this change had inhibited the ability to cast a vote.

What made you change over to Georgia? Are you saying that changes to voting law in Texas disenfranchised voters in Georgia?

In the article, the problems seem to have been occurring in the densely populated urban areas. The areas run and managed by the Democrats-Socialists.

In addition to their other poorly considered decisions and conclusions by the Democrat-Socialists, this one seems to be legitimately added.

There were similar problems in many red states.

One common thread is that voting policy largely controlled as state and not county policy. In many cases, localities were prevented from opening more facilities.

Texas counties temporarily blocked from offering multiple mail-in ballot drop-off locations

An order from a federal appeals court Saturday set up another potential legal showdown over voting in Texas as mail-in ballots are already being collected and just days before early voting begins.

www.texastribune.org

Georgia election 'catastrophe' in largely minority areas sparks investigation

Long lines, lack of voting machines and shortages of primary ballots plagued voters.

www.nbcnews.com

Creating unreasonable barriers to vote is suppression.

 

[Mashmont]

Who’s have thought DP might be the last bastion of relative freedom of speech for conservatives?

 

[code1211]

There were similar problems in many red states.

One common thread is that voting policy largely controlled as state and not county policy. In many cases, localities were prevented from opening more facilities.

Texas counties temporarily blocked from offering multiple mail-in ballot drop-off locations

An order from a federal appeals court Saturday set up another potential legal showdown over voting in Texas as mail-in ballots are already being collected and just days before early voting begins.

www.texastribune.org

Georgia election 'catastrophe' in largely minority areas sparks investigation

Long lines, lack of voting machines and shortages of primary ballots plagued voters.

www.nbcnews.com

Creating unreasonable barriers to vote is suppression.

Whatever you offer to support this baseless charge regarding governmental voter suppression in Texas, the FACT remains that the number of votes cast in Texas was higher, much higher, than at any point in all of history.

There is simply NO GETTING AROUND the actual fact(s) of the matter.

You were wrong. Completely. Categorically. In a very difficult circumstance, the methods provided resulted in the highest voter participation ever. No contest.

You wish to present justification for your belief that an event, which never happened, actually occurred. The fact that this never occurred makes finding supporting evidence more difficult.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Whatever you offer to support this baseless charge regarding governmental voter suppression in Texas, the FACT remains that the number of votes cast in Texas was higher, much higher, than at any point in all of history.

There is simply NO GETTING AROUND the actual fact(s) of the matter.

You were wrong. Completely. Categorically. In a very difficult circumstance, the methods provided resulted in the highest voter participation ever. No contest.

You wish to present justification for your belief that an event, which never happened, actually occurred. The fact that this never occurred makes finding supporting evidence more difficult.

Yes, by overcoming the suppression, I already made that point. People shouldn't have to be heroes to participate in democracy.

 

[code1211]

Yes, by overcoming the suppression, I already made that point. People shouldn't have to be heroes to participate in democracy.

You are gripped by the misinformation that is provided by propagandists.

Take a step back and ask this question: "If this is true, what else must be true".

 

[Slartibartfast]

You are gripped by the misinformation that is provided by propagandists.

Take a step back and ask this question: "If this is true, what else must be true".

Ahh, your old fallback comment you use with people, misinformation.