I thank you for your cordial reply and take no offense at it. Particularly since I don't find it pertains to me or most people who "just go to work" for companies that offer health insurance as you say. I believe you are operating under some basic misconceptions and making presumptions about what other people think out of hand. Unless you have some psychic window into the minds and thoughts of people other than yourself. Please take no offense but if you do have a crystal ball, I for one don't think it is a reliable source for any claims of clairvoyance.
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I thank you for your cordial reply and take no offense at it. Particularly since I don't find it pertains to me or most people who "just go to work" for companies that offer health insurance as you say. I believe you are operating under some basic misconceptions and making presumptions about what other people think out of hand. Unless you have some psychic window into the minds and thoughts of people other than yourself. Please take no offense but if you do have a crystal ball, I for one don't think it is a reliable source for any claims of clairvoyance.
While I appreciate your anecdotal relation and have no doubt about the sincerity of it, I fail to see how this addresses or explains your "just sailing along" claim. In an equally anecdotal relation on my own part, I have found that most people have at one time or another (particularly in their younger years or while in college) not "sailed along" but were without insurance and thus were able to fully grasp and appreciate their change in fortune once they did get insurance. Also many people have attempted to start and make a go of their own business and unfortunately this is sometimes met with failure. Which leads to a greater appreciation of employer provided health insurance in my experience and is hardly befitting the description of "just sailing along" as you stated.
I again thank you for your cordial reply. I do however admit that I don't find claims like yours, as to what other people "think" or "feel" reliable or relevant. As it is a leap of logic and presumption on your part that in my opinion ignores or rejects the real world experience that most people have as they age and move up from scholastic pursuits and into the workplace. The idea that most people (as seemed to be your presumption) don't have any idea about all of these realities simply becasue they "just go to work" and are thus "just sailing along" seems to my mind at least suggestive of a preexisting ax to grind on your part. If you have some scholarly source to cite that supports your claim about how and why other people think or feel on this topic I'd enjoy reading it and will certainly amend my thinking on the matter if you should.
I never had any expectation that the website would be functional by today. In speaking with an acquaintance of some considerable technical expertise and experience with both website and cloud coding and construction and considerable experience in working for the federal government, I believe the website will still not be "ready for prime time" by even the end of February. No matter the operational status of the webiste young healthy people won't be signing on for $350 plus a month health insurance when that same amount will put them in a seriously sweet automobile or fuel enldess iPad iPod and recreational purchases..
I thank you for your cordial reply and take no offense at it. Particularly since I don't find it pertains to me or most people who "just go to work" for companies that offer health insurance as you say. I believe you are operating under some basic misconceptions and making presumptions about what other people think out of hand. Unless you have some psychic window into the minds and thoughts of people other than yourself. Please take no offense but if you do have a crystal ball, I for one don't think it is a reliable source for any claims of clairvoyance.
While I appreciate your anecdotal relation and have no doubt about the sincerity of it, I fail to see how this addresses or explains your "just sailing along" claim. In an equally anecdotal relation on my own part, I have found that most people have at one time or another (particularly in their younger years or while in college) not "sailed along" but were without insurance and thus were able to fully grasp and appreciate their change in fortune once they did get insurance. Also many people have attempted to start and make a go of their own business and unfortunately this is sometimes met with failure. Which leads to a greater appreciation of employer provided health insurance in my experience and is hardly befitting the description of "just sailing along" as you stated.
I again thank you for your cordial reply. I do however admit that I don't find claims like yours, as to what other people "think" or "feel" reliable or relevant. As it is a leap of logic and presumption on your part that in my opinion ignores or rejects the real world experience that most people have as they age and move up from scholastic pursuits and into the workplace. The idea that most people (as seemed to be your presumption) don't have any idea about all of these realities simply becasue they "just go to work" and are thus "just sailing along" seems to my mind at least suggestive of a preexisting ax to grind on your part. If you have some scholarly source to cite that supports your claim about how and why other people think or feel on this topic I'd enjoy reading it and will certainly amend my thinking on the matter if you should.
I would not quibble with the idea that some people have no idea what it's like to purchase individual insurance. Just as some do and in some or if you prefer many cases, this is a factor that lead them to decide to seek employment where they can get and qualify for it based upon their knowledge of the individual market. That is a fact too. I'll need to see some source that supports your claim that the group rallying the most against ACA is senior citizens. This is the problem with making axiomatic all encompassing claims such as yours. It rejects and ignores out of hand the simple fact that by nature it is senior citizens who often have the most experience and knowledge about matters like this based upon their age and accumulated knowledge of life in the real and business world. If in fact it is seniors who are rallying the most, it is likely due to their knowledge and experience. Particularly when many senior citizens understand that it is the very involvement of the government in medical care via the programs you listed that is a very large and real part of the problem. As well as a strong competent in what is wrong with our current system and why it is so in need of real reform. It is senior citizens who know first hand of the fraud and waste (well documented) in medicare and medicaid, not their younger more ignorant countrymen and women. Who have no practical experience and can only point to anecdotal relations and reporting of the same. Rather than first hand practical experience dealing with these programs. Which is why many judiciously argue against more government intrusion into a field already deeply effected by incompetent government intervention. I find your comment that they or anyone simply "coast along" fraught with condescending implication. "Keep the government out of my medicare" is an oxymoron.
I'd say that the recent poor decision by democrats to enact the nuclear option may be the signal biggest mistake I have seen in some time. One that could actually lead the way (depending upon the next midterms) to opening the door for the repeal of the ACA. Because apparently the democrats can't conceive of the day that they will ever (in the future of this country) ever possibly be in the minority again.:doh
Well yes I thought that was clear from the start and I've clarified why. Virtually everyone I know that has employer provided health insurance sees precisely what their employers contribution to their monthly bill is. So how this leaves the same people as you say, ignorant of the true cost of the same does not follow your logic. The same goes for anyone that has ever lost a job and dealt with the very Cobra plans you reference. Sticker shock is quickly arrived at and just as quickly imparts a grim and certain knowledge about the true cost of health insurance. So at the end of the day your assumption that most people don't share your knowledge of the individual market is just that. As I said, it seems to me that you bring an axe to grind here. Once more if you have some scholarly source to cite that supports your claim about how and why other people think or feel on this topic I'd enjoy reading it and will certainly amend my thinking on the matter if you should.
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Well yes I thought that was clear from the start and I've clarified why. Virtually everyone I know that has employer provided health insurance sees precisely what their employers contribution to their monthly bill is. So how this leaves the same people as you say, ignorant of the true cost of the same does not follow your logic. The same goes for anyone that has ever lost a job and dealt with the very Cobra plans you reference. Sticker shock is quickly arrived at and just as quickly imparts a grim and certain knowledge about the true cost of health insurance. So at the end of the day your assumption that most people don't share your knowledge of the individual market is just that. As I said, it seems to me that you bring an axe to grind here. Once more if you have some scholarly source to cite that supports your claim about how and why other people think or feel on this topic I'd enjoy reading it and will certainly amend my thinking on the matter if you should.
