Critical Race Theory In Schools

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Assumptions, such as:

Subordination of of "White Male Ways of Knowing" (objective data and application of reason are seen as only nominally neutral values, who's actual use is to reinforce heteronormative white male hegemony) to "Narrative ways of knowing". You know how it became a schtick among Conservatives for a while there that "Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings"? Think of this as an inverse - "Feelings Are More Important Than Facts". This is a rejection of the Liberal values of reason and independent truth that is equally available to us all in favor of Standpoint Theory.

People are not primarily individuals, but are immutably representatives of their characteristics, and exist in an Oppressed / Oppressor dichotomy within those characteristics. In the area of "race", all white people are oppressors of all brown people (who are all oppressed). This is a rejection of the Liberal value of individualism. It also teaches brown people to place heavy emphasis on external loci of control, which can cripple them, and white people to think of themselves primarily as a member of a white race that is under ideological attack from the political left and brown people, which can have, er, predictably unfortunate consequences.

Differences in results in things the researchers value / believe to be positive are assumed to be driven by racism. Not "could" be driven by racism or "may be impacted by racism". Are Racism. So, for example, if an upper middle class white couple values both of them having careers, and prioritizes that over family life, while a recently immigrated rural Dominican couple values family life, and prioritizes that over careers, the resulting imbalance in income is Because Racism. Attempting to use data to point to Dominican's cultural preference (for example) to women raising children is using the above-mentioned White Male Ways of Knowing to Reinforce The Racist System by Blaming The Victim.

And you're aware of schools teaching this curriculum right now?
I daresay you're going to see a lot more of this on your kid's SOCIAL MEDIA than you will in their schools.

 

[dixon01767]

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Feel free to dispute ANYTHING from the cited wikipedia page, if you can.

 

[CaughtInThe]

this is another thread i love. it shows us which people are against teaching the truth/what happened/etc.



it probably comes from fear.

 

[dixon01767]

We're talking about Critical Race Theory not legal theory. Who told you we are discussing legal theory?

Clearly I've got it wrong in your mind so don't just sit there picking your cyber nose, summarize CRT for me.

I was in law school 89-90 when Critical Legal Theory in the law schools morphed into Critical Race Theory for all of education. The other poster is 30 years behind if he thinks Critical Race theory is limited to Law Schools.

 

[cpwill]

And you're aware of schools teaching this curriculum right now?

Many actions that are problematic in the education system (such as getting rid of punitive discipline for members of favored ethnicities, which has the perverse effect of worsening the education offered to children in minority-majority schools) are policies that are informed by CRT more than the teaching of CRT itself, but there are a bunch of anecdotes of one kind or another out there. I'll admit to not knowing how prevalent it is at the K-12 Level.

 

[dixon01767]

Assumptions, such as:

Subordination of of "White Male Ways of Knowing" (objective data and application of reason are seen as only nominally neutral values, who's actual use is to reinforce heteronormative white male hegemony) to "Narrative ways of knowing". You know how it became a schtick among Conservatives for a while there that "Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings"? Think of this as an inverse - "Feelings Are More Important Than Facts". This is a rejection of the Liberal values of reason and independent truth that is equally available to us all in favor of Standpoint Theory.

People are not primarily individuals, but are immutably representatives of their characteristics, and exist in an Oppressed / Oppressor dichotomy within those characteristics. In the area of "race", all white people are oppressors of all brown people (who are all oppressed). This is a rejection of the Liberal value of individualism. It also teaches brown people to place heavy emphasis on external loci of control, which can cripple them, and white people to think of themselves primarily as a member of a white race that is under ideological attack from the political left and brown people, which can have, er, predictably unfortunate consequences.

Differences in results in things the researchers value / believe to be positive are assumed to be driven by racism. Not "could" be driven by racism or "may be impacted by racism". Are Racism. So, for example, if an upper middle class white couple values both of them having careers, and prioritizes that over family life, while a recently immigrated rural Dominican couple values family life, and prioritizes that over careers, the resulting imbalance in income is Because Racism. Attempting to use data to point to Dominican's cultural preference (for example) to women raising children is using the above-mentioned White Male Ways of Knowing to Reinforce The Racist System by Blaming The Victim.

And "of course you are racist"

 

[Mulefoot]

And "of course you are racist"

I think some of these black leaders will some day wish they had not emasculated this word.

Reminds me of how my child's first-grade teacher taught his class that chewing tobacco was a drug. Right alongside, and equal to, meth apparently. The hope was to amplify the dangers of chewing tobacco, of course. But at what cost to the perceived dangers of meth?

 

[dixon01767]

What in the world does gay marriage have to do with CRT.....your analogy makes no sense.

They both come from Critical Theory.

 

[bomberfox]

Assumptions, such as:

Subordination of of "White Male Ways of Knowing" (objective data and application of reason are seen as only nominally neutral values, who's actual use is to reinforce heteronormative white male hegemony) to "Narrative ways of knowing". You know how it became a schtick among Conservatives for a while there that "Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings"? Think of this as an inverse - "Feelings Are More Important Than Facts". This is a rejection of the Liberal values of reason and independent truth that is equally available to us all in favor of Standpoint Theory.

People are not primarily individuals, but are immutably representatives of their characteristics, and exist in an Oppressed / Oppressor dichotomy within those characteristics. In the area of "race", all white people are oppressors of all brown people (who are all oppressed). This is a rejection of the Liberal value of individualism. It also teaches brown people to place heavy emphasis on external loci of control, which can cripple them, and white people to think of themselves primarily as a member of a white race that is under ideological attack from the political left and brown people, which can have, er, predictably unfortunate consequences.

Differences in results in things the researchers value / believe to be positive are assumed to be driven by racism. Not "could" be driven by racism or "may be impacted by racism". Are Racism. So, for example, if an upper middle class white couple values both of them having careers, and prioritizes that over family life, while a recently immigrated rural Dominican couple values family life, and prioritizes that over careers, the resulting imbalance in income is Because Racism. Attempting to use data to point to Dominican's cultural preference (for example) to women raising children is using the above-mentioned White Male Ways of Knowing to Reinforce The Racist System by Blaming The Victim.

The first indeed is well gobbledygook. I would recommend that be stricken from any CRT lessons. The only thing that could possibly remotely apply would be to music theory which indeed has many cultural biases.

the second, one cannot ignore the total makeup of the whole that individuals make up. The attempts to individualize problems that exist on a societal and systemic nature are rather faulty so to is trying to individualize blame. Liberalism tends to have problems with thinking on a systemic level because we have atomized ourselves. It makes us ignorant of what goes on around the world “i got here. Why can’t anyone else?” is a very unscientific way of looking at things because our own experiences biases the way we see the world. Its one of the things that makes us fight back against even a modicum of self reflection or attempts to address systemic issues.

 

[bomberfox]

They both come from Critical Theory.

Gay marriage doesnt come from critical theory. Anything one doesnt like isnt critical theory.

 

[Ren]

Sheesh dude. Read. Learn.

That is not at all what CRT holds.

Dude, I know what it is. I know its beginnings. I know where it is today.

Stop playing the innocent -- it isn't working.

 

[Ren]

What in the world does gay marriage have to do with CRT.....your analogy makes no sense.

And no, i am not saying that "legal theories are bullet proof and legal definitions are not"

Where in the world did you get that?

Go back and review.

Get back to me when you know what we are talking about.

I'm drawing comparisons. Try to keep up.

When you tell me that CRT is harmless and it really should be left alone to work its magic, then I have to tell you that I think you're trying to cover this up.

CRT is dangerous and needs to be marginalized. It started in law schools and it has already spread out across college campuses. There's no reason to think that some asshole isn't going to be able to infect the public school systems with it.

 

[MauiMan]

Here's a pretty good local story addressing the subject:
It involves an important (I think) public policy issue, which, like voter suppression legislation, is becoming a cause celebre on the right. But, do they even know what it is? I've mentioned this in another thread, but I thought it would be a good topic on its own.

What is "critical race theory"? "Critical race theory studies racism at the systemic level, examining how policies, laws and court decisions can perpetuate racism even if they are ostensibly neutral or fair. Since its emergence in the late 1970s and 1980s, the discipline has expanded to include researchers in sociology, education and public health." (Pew, cited above) In other words, it is an academic area of study involving the history of race and its impact on society and social institutions. Although related, it is not the same as The 1619 Project, which is an outgrowth of the genre. The point of The 1619 Project is to "vernacularize" discussion of race in America and be honest about its ramifications in our society.

Why, then, is it so vigorously opposed by a certain segment of our political bodies? (There are some insights in threads such as Why does the gop feel the need to lie so much? and Why is "mainstream media" considered left-leaning?) What is so dangerous about critically thinking about the impact of race and race relations in academics that it requires legislation to prohibit it? When one hears the arguments, it can be bewildering.

Because it changes perception of the past, and conservatives don’t like that.

 

[eohrnberger]

I'm drawing comparisons. Try to keep up.

When you tell me that CRT is harmless and it really should be left alone to work its magic, then I have to tell you that I think you're trying to cover this up.

CRT is dangerous and needs to be marginalized. It started in law schools and it has already spread out across college campuses. There's no reason to think that some asshole isn't going to be able to infect the public school systems with it.

Too late. Already there.

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We received 111 pages of records from Wellesley Public Schools in Massachusetts which confirm the use of “affinity spaces” that divide students and staff based on race as a priority and objective of the school district’s “diversity, equity and inclusion” plan. The school district also admitted that between September 1, 2020 and May 17, 2021, it created “five distinct” segregated spaces.​

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Critical Race Theory Exposed!​

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This sort of idiocy repeated in other schools in other cities and states.

 

[NWRatCon]

We ARE talking about law school, aren't we? Critical examination of liberalism and exploration of structural determinism in the US legal system isn't exactly kindergarten material.

Why are people trying to make it sound like law school students are all impressionable 6-year-olds?

That is the indoctrination the ministry of truth (fox) is giving them. You've read 1984, right? They're just supporting the party line, even if it has no connection to reality. It's quite disturbing really.

 

[NWRatCon]

I recall having pretty decent exchanges with you... but maybe not from the sound of this post.

We have had decent exchanges, but your "contributions" to this thread have been far from "enlightened". I was merely reflecting the level of vitriol you seem wedded to, here. Really, do better.

 

[dixon01767]

As the Encyclopedia notes, "The normative orientation of Critical Theory, at least in its form of critical social inquiry, is therefore towards the transformation of capitalism into a “real democracy” in which such control could be exercised (Horkheimer 1972b [1992, 250]). In such formulations, there are striking similarities between Critical Theory and American pragmatism." And, "The focus on democracy as the location for cooperative, practical and transformative activity continues today in the work of Jürgen Habermas, as does the attempt to determine the nature and limits of “real democracy” in complex, pluralistic, and globalizing societies." So, it is really not "Marxism" at all, as it was derisively being described.

(To be continued)

Yeah, its called NEO marxism.

Neo-Marxism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In sociology and political philosophy, "Critical Theory" means the Western-Marxist philosophy of the Frankfurt School, developed in Germany in the 1930s and drawing on the ideas of Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud.

Critical theory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Max Horkheimer first defined critical theory (German: Kritische Theorie) in his 1937 essay "Traditional and Critical Theory", as a social theory oriented toward critiquing and changing society as a whole, in contrast to traditional theory oriented only toward understanding or explaining it."

Like Ive said before, Critical theory is not an examination of society and is instead an attempt to change it.

 

[NWRatCon]

Democrats? Divide and conquer?
Sounds like you're describing Trump.

Is another technique of the Ministry of Truth, projection. You have read your prescribe Goebbels, right?

 

[NWRatCon]

I'll admit to not knowing how prevalent it is at the K-12 Level.

The most accurate statement so far. Thanks for that.

 

[dixon01767]

Gay marriage doesnt come from critical theory. Anything one doesnt like isnt critical theory.

Queer theory is a field of critical theory that emerged in the early 1990s out of queer studies (often, formerly, gay and lesbian studies) and women's studies.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_theory.

 

[dixon01767]

Because it changes perception of the past, and conservatives don’t like that.

Because they are false perceptions. Like the false perception that the Revolutionary war in the US was fought to maintain slavery in the 1619 project.

 

[NolanVoyd]

They both come from Critical Theory.

Utter nonsense.

Do you just make shit up or what?

 

[NolanVoyd]

Dude, I know what it is. I know its beginnings. I know where it is today.

Stop playing the innocent -- it isn't working.

No. You prove with every post that you have no idea what it is.

 

[NolanVoyd]

I'm drawing comparisons. Try to keep up.

When you tell me that CRT is harmless and it really should be left alone to work its magic, then I have to tell you that I think you're trying to cover this up.

CRT is dangerous and needs to be marginalized. It started in law schools and it has already spread out across college campuses. There's no reason to think that some asshole isn't going to be able to infect the public school systems with it.

Stop with the dishonesty.

I did not tell you that "CRT is harmless and it really should be left alone to work its magic"

If you are going to lie about what I say and just make things up for me you might as well just talk to yourself.

We are done.

 

[Vadinho]

Ok lets all agree with all the people who did not vote for a black POTUS, could not stand the man, thought his wife looked like a gorilla, considered him to be a Kenyan, hated him for saving the economy by spending money, adopted conservative ideas on health care, tried everything he could to be the best black man possible, married a black woman who did the same, had two great kids that are smart and squeeky clean....lets all agree with them that racism no longer exists because more of us voted for him than hated his guts and then voted in a racist piece of shit who became a politician by saying Obama was not even an American!

Its over folks, racism died when Obama was elected! Yippee!