Crisis in German Catholic church because of report of sexual abuse in the church

[Peter King]

In Germany you pay money to the church through your taxes, the Church Tax. A church gets money through all the people registered at the government as part of a church community. In Cologne a large number of sexual abuses in the church (the report is about cases from 1975 until just recently) and the church has remained silent about the report and the churchgoers are hopping mad.

The only way to get out of the church tax is by making an appointment with the courts, where they need to fill in a form and pay 30 euro's to leave the church and stop the church getting any of their tax money. Friday so many people wanted to leave the church that the website of the courts crashed through sheer volume of requests. Normally the court has a 1,000 appointments a month open but they increased the number of appointments to 1,500 appointments. But that clearly was not enough so the court had made extra room for appointments in March and April but even that was not enough to stop the website from crashing out.

The newspaper/magazine "Der Spiegel" (the mirror) reported last week information from the report the Bishop is keeping under wraps. In those reports it says that more than 300 reports of sexual abuse were logged and there are more than 300 victims and 200 perpetrators working from the Church.

 

[Rumpel]

Cardinal Rainer Maria Woelki should resign!

The Archbishop of Cologne, Cardinal Rainer Maria Woelki, has been accused of not informing the Vatican about sex abuse allegations against a priest. He's now asked Pope Francis to review his conduct.

https://www.dw.com/en/german-cardinal-accused-of-abuse-cover-up-turns-to-pope/a-55912453

 

[Peter King]

Look, I am all for prosecuting guilty people, but these people have made a mistake and have to suffer the legal consequences, but one priest committed suicide. That is of course not the meaning of these investigations. Now the victim is going to be victimized twice, once by being the victim of the dirty criminal priest and secondly now she/he has to live with the knowledge that he committed suicide. That is just selfish in this situation from the priest.

 

[Closer]

Too bad the laws and the media protect homosexuals to the point where it is illegal for any organization to screen them out and get rid of them, even thought they are 80% of the 'problem priests'.

 

[Peter King]

Too bad the laws and the media protect homosexuals to the point where it is illegal for any organization to screen them out and get rid of them, even thought they are 80% of the 'problem priests'.

Yeah, the issue is not homosexuals, it is pedosexuals that are the problem. Being gay is not an issue and it is indeed a crime to discriminate purely based on sexual preference.

And the problem is not gay priests, the problem is no sex priests. Priests should be able to get married and have children, not be forced into an unhealthy asexual existence that can lead to problems with priests.

 

[Dragonfly]

Yeah, but at least they’re not pro-choice!!!!

Because, you know, that’s the only thing truly important to “god”.

 

[Lisa]

In Germany you pay money to the church through your taxes, the Church Tax. A church gets money through all the people registered at the government as part of a church community. In Cologne a large number of sexual abuses in the church (the report is about cases from 1975 until just recently) and the church has remained silent about the report and the churchgoers are hopping mad.

The only way to get out of the church tax is by making an appointment with the courts, where they need to fill in a form and pay 30 euro's to leave the church and stop the church getting any of their tax money. Friday so many people wanted to leave the church that the website of the courts crashed through sheer volume of requests. Normally the court has a 1,000 appointments a month open but they increased the number of appointments to 1,500 appointments. But that clearly was not enough so the court had made extra room for appointments in March and April but even that was not enough to stop the website from crashing out.

The newspaper/magazine "Der Spiegel" (the mirror) reported last week information from the report the Bishop is keeping under wraps. In those reports it says that more than 300 reports of sexual abuse were logged and there are more than 300 victims and 200 perpetrators working from the Church.

This is another priest who makes me wish that feedings people to lions was legal, but the lions deserved better quality food.

 

[Peter King]

This is another priest who makes me wish that feedings people to lions was legal, but the lions deserved better quality food.

Usually these people do not want to do this, this affliction/disease is not their choice, doesn't mean they should not get punished but if a dangerous predatory pedo walks around you should be able to keep them locked up until no longer a threat. Not as a punishment because before he goes to that kind of a clinic/institution half or three quarters of his jail time should be served, but as a treatment and a protection for the pedosexual and for society.

Because even though it is a sickness in their minds, they choose to do the behavior. Being locked into the constraints of a church does not solve the problems of these people, it can make them worse. Unsupervised time with young boys and girls and nobody who will believe the victim because a priest is as close to saintlike as most people think they will get on earth. These kinds of unhealthy sexual preferences/diseases are not so much prevalent in other religions because they do not ban their clergy from marrying and having a healthy home and somewhat fulfilling sex life.

Pedosexuals should be kept locked up until no longer a real threat, before that they should never be released.

 

[Lisa]

Usually these people do not want to do this, this affliction/disease is not their choice, doesn't mean they should not get punished but if a dangerous predatory pedo walks around you should be able to keep them locked up until no longer a threat. Not as a punishment because before he goes to that kind of a clinic/institution half or three quarters of his jail time should be served, but as a treatment and a protection for the pedosexual and for society.

Because even though it is a sickness in their minds, they choose to do the behavior. Being locked into the constraints of a church does not solve the problems of these people, it can make them worse. Unsupervised time with young boys and girls and nobody who will believe the victim because a priest is as close to saintlike as most people think they will get on earth. These kinds of unhealthy sexual preferences/diseases are not so much prevalent in other religions because they do not ban their clergy from marrying and having a healthy home and somewhat fulfilling sex life.

Pedosexuals should be kept locked up until no longer a real threat, before that they should never be released.

Hee could have gotten help, before or after he committed the act of harming a child, but he didn't. They know what they are doing is wrong and then know the church will cover for them.

 

[Peter King]

Hee could have gotten help, before or after he committed the act of harming a child, but he didn't. They know what they are doing is wrong and then know the church will cover for them.

and that was the big problem, the church had their back and kept the misdeeds going.

 

[OrphanSlug]

The Catholic Church... another sexual abuse scandal... I’m shocked, anyone else?

 

[Lisa]

and that was the big problem, the church had their back and kept the misdeeds going.

It was the first priest abuse scandal in 1989 that drove me from the church. I had always had questions about the belief in God and what the church taught but I kept f going occasionally out of a feeling of guilt of not attending mass and the fact that at the time I did not separate morality from not believing. Onc I saw that the church would defend a pedophile priest there was no way that the church had any standing on morality and I never went back.

I roamed around in various groups in the 1990s from paganism, Deism, Buddhism and then discovered Humanism in 2002 or so. My extended family is still very conservative Catholic so as a secular humanist I'm not very welcome at family gatherings when they know that I will not return to the church and I won't back down from a discussion.

 

[99percenter]

German Catholics are the worst.

 

[Rumpel]

And the problem is not gay priests, the problem is no sex priests. Priests should be able to get married and have children, not be forced into an unhealthy asexual existence that can lead to problems with priests.

Exactly!

And the present Pope is one of those selfish cowards that go on denying priests a normal life.
Shame on him!

 

[Rumpel]

German Catholics are the worst.

Please read more about the role of German Protestants in Hitler's time.

And read more about all those Catholic priests that died in Concentration Camps (KZ) because of their opposition to Hitler.

 

[Rumpel]

German Catholics are the worst.

Here is some info for you:

Clemens Augustinus Emmanuel Joseph Pius Anthonius Hubertus Marie Graf[2] von Galen (16 March 1878 – 22 March 1946), better known as Clemens August Graf von Galen, was a German count, Bishop of Münster, and cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church. During World War II, Galen led Catholic protest against Nazi euthanasia and denounced Gestapo lawlessness and the persecution of the Church in Germany. He was appointed a Cardinal by Pope Pius XII in 1946. He was beatified by Pope Benedict XVI in 2005.

And:

Galen began to criticize Hitler's movement in 1934. He condemned the Nazi "worship of race" in a pastoral letter on 29 January 1934. He assumed responsibility for the publication of a collection of essays which fiercely criticized Nazi ideologist Alfred Rosenberg and defended the teachings of the Catholic Church. He was an outspoken critic of certain Nazi policies and helped draft Pope Pius XI's 1937 anti-Nazi encyclical Mit brennender Sorge (With Burning Concern). In 1941, von Galen delivered three sermons in which he denounced the arrest of Jesuits, the confiscation of church property, Nazi attacks on the Church, and in the third, fiercely condemned the state-approved mass killing in the involuntary euthanasia programme of persons with mental or physical defects (Aktion T4).[4][5] The sermons were illegally circulated in print, inspiring some German Resistance groups, including the White Rose

More about him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_August_Graf_von_Galen

 

[Closer]

Yeah, the issue is not homosexuals, it is pedosexuals that are the problem.

Rubbish. Over 80% of the priest rapes were homosexual rapes. 100% of the rapes in the Boy Scouts were homosexual rapes. Pedophiles and pederasts were and are prominent in the 'Gay rights' hoax, as founders and founding organizations, in the U.S. via Nambla and similar organizations in Europe. Harry Hay was a Communist Party member and also is thought to be the founder of NAMBLa, and carried a sign in several 'Pride' parades saying " NAMBLa Walks With Me" when a few lesbian groups objected to them marching in the parades and go them banned from a few, but that didn't last long as NAMLBa was too popular with most male homosexuals so they were allowed back in the parade organizing associations. They only got banned in 1994, when their membership in the ILGA cost some activists lucrative jobs as UN officials when their group couldn't get approved for NGO status in 1994 due to the publicity over NAMBLa's long membership as a founding member organization.

Being gay is not an issue and it is indeed a crime to discriminate purely based on sexual preference.

No, it isn't. Private groups can discriminate against anyone they want to, and in the U.S. religious organizations can't be coerced by the Federal or state govts to accept them.

And the problem is not gay priests, the problem is no sex priests. Priests should be able to get married and have children, not be forced into an unhealthy asexual existence that can lead to problems with priests.

The problem is homosexuals infiltrating the priesthoods and also groups like the Boy Scouts, and neither organization made any efforts to screen them out, and we know results of that failure, but yes the Catholic Church made an error centuries ago when it changed its policies and disallowed marriage for its priests. It provided a perfect cover for homosexual predators,

 

[Neomalthusian]

Look, I am all for prosecuting guilty people, but these people have made a mistake and have to suffer the legal consequences, but one priest committed suicide.

So?

That is of course not the meaning of these investigations. Now the victim is going to be victimized twice, once by being the victim of the dirty criminal priest and secondly now she/he has to live with the knowledge that he committed suicide. That is just selfish in this situation from the priest.

I don't see how the priest deciding to end his life further victimizes the abuse victim.

 

[Peter King]

Rubbosh. Over 80% of the rapes were homosexual rapes.

And the vast vast vast majority of gays do not rape little boys, so again, this is a pedosexual problem, not a gay problem.

No, it isn't. Private groups can discriminate against anyone they want to, and in the U.S. religious organizations can't be coerced by the Federal or state govts to accept them.

Yes, I know there are a lot of idiotic private groups who can discriminate, the fact is it should not be allowed.

The problem is homosexuals infiltrating the priesthoods and also groups like the Boy Scouts, and neither organization made any efforts to screen them out, and we know results of that failure, but yes the Catholic Church made an error centuries ago when it changed its policies and disallowed marriage for its priests.

OK, we can agree on the marrying priests nonsense, but your issue is not that it is homosexuals "infiltrating" priesthood, most priests, even the gay ones never rape/abuse a child. And the sexless position of catholic priests is not being "infiltrated", the church has created a position (sexless, not allowed to marry, live as a eunuch) that attracts people who have issues with their own sexuality. So it is not gays infiltrating the church, but taking up the position they feel will be a "savior" job to them, they think they will through the love of god and the restrictive nature of their job, heal themselves from their homosexual feelings.

 

[Closer]

And the vast vast vast majority of gays do not rape little boys, so again, this is a pedosexual problem, not a gay problem.



Yes, I know there are a lot of idiotic private groups who can discriminate, the fact is it should not be allowed.



OK, we can agree on the marrying priests nonsense, but your issue is not that it is homosexuals "infiltrating" priesthood, most priests, even the gay ones never rape/abuse a child. And the sexless position of catholic priests is not being "infiltrated", the church has created a position (sexless, not allowed to marry, live as a eunuch) that attracts people who have issues with their own sexuality. So it is not gays infiltrating the church, but taking up the position they feel will be a "savior" job to them, they think they will through the love of god and the restrictive nature of their job, heal themselves from their homosexual feelings.

More rubbish. If those two organizations had made an effort to screen out the homosexuals they could have prevented most of them from happening. It's a mental illness no matter how many homosexuals in the so-called mental health professions invent fake studies with ridiculously bad methodologies and outright lying invent for their fans to regurgitate, and media censorship contributes to peddling the pseudo-science as part of the left's political agenda.

 

[Peter King]

More rubbish. If those two organizations had made an effort to screen out the homosexuals they could have prevented most of them from happening. It's a mental illness no matter how many homosexuals in the so-called mental health professions invent fake studies with ridiculously bad methodologies and outright lying invent for their fans to regurgitate, and media censorship contributes to peddling the pseudo-science as part of the left's political agenda.

No, the rubbish is the issue that gays is not the problem, child sex is the problem. Ignoring the problem is the problem and the church has been doing that for tens and tens of years. And being gay is not a mental illness, being a pedosexual however is.

And the pseudo science is more a thing of the religious right, you know like trying to take people's rights away or allow discrimination.

 

[Neomalthusian]

Rubbosh. Over 80% of the rapes were homosexual rapes.

No, it isn't. Private groups can discriminate against anyone they want to, and in the U.S. religious organizations can't be coerced by the Federal or state govts to accept them.

The problem is homosexuals infiltrating the priesthoods and also groups like the Boy Scouts, and neither organization made any efforts to screen them out, and we know results of that failure, but yes the Catholic Church made an error centuries ago when it changed its policies and disallowed marriage for its priests.

The problem isn't homosexuals "infiltrating" the priesthood, it's the latter (bolded), in addition to the church's and society's archaic and unending bigotry toward homosexuals.

Add these variables together makes the priesthood a magnet for young repressed gay men. They know they'll shunned forever by everyone close to them if their sexual desires are ever known. So they have to try to hide it forever. Never marrying a woman will likely raise suspicions. So the priesthood is an easy way to throw the scent off the gay trail while earning respect and admiration.

 

[Neomalthusian]

More rubbish. If those two organizations had made an effort to screen out the homosexuals they could have prevented most of them from happening.

And how would this screening have worked? Just ask them and they’ll happily tell you? No. They’d be ostracized, vilified, and pathologized by everyone they love, because the dogma is bigoted toward gays. So they would lie, convincingly. What are you gonna do, force them to view gay pornography and check for signs of arousal?

It's a mental illness no matter how many homosexuals in the so-called mental health professions invent fake studies with ridiculously bad methodologies and outright lying invent for their fans to regurgitate, and media censorship contributes to peddling the pseudo-science as part of the left's political agenda.

What in the hell are you talking about? This is incoherent babble.

 

[Closer]

And how would this screening have worked? Just ask them and they’ll happily tell you? No. They’d be ostracized, vilified, and pathologized by everyone they love, because the dogma is bigoted toward gays. So they would lie, convincingly. What are you gonna do, force them to view gay pornography and check for signs of arousal?


What in the hell are you talking about? This is incoherent babble.

I realize the PC nazi mentality is to pretend anything negative about homosexuality is to be censored and lied about; I didn't post anything debatable or false, and I posted it to re-assure those who know what I say is factual and there are still people who aren't afraid to ignore the mau-mauing, political screed passing as 'science' and stupid narratives out out by the left and neurotic fetishists. And they will notice no rebuttals of any merit and no rejection of the stated reasons why homosexual activists use misleading euphemisms to describe their mental disorder.

 

[Clinton]

There has been sexual abuse in all the churches and I mean all the churches. From the Jehovah's Witnesses to the Scientologists to the..... well name one. Religion goes hand in hand with sexual abuse. Time to ban them all but that would give the Jehovah's Witnesses a wet dream! (Inside joke)