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The one that I actually prefer most of all is "Undocumented Immigrant." It does not label the person as illegal or criminal, simply that they lack documentation.
An interesting idea occurred to me. The argument against the term "illegal immigrant" that has the most merit is that it is grammatically incorrect. I know that some people disagree, but their disagreement is irrelvent to this thread (so I am asking people to please refrain from ****ing up this thread by trying to defend or attack the term "illegal immigrant"). This thread is about whether or not people find the undeniably grammatically accurate term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative to "illegal immigrant".
Please vote in the poll. The options are:
I support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.
I support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do NOT find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.
I do NOT support the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do find the term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.
I do NOT support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", and I do NOT find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.
Other
We lure them up here with jobs...then we want to throw them in jail and call them names. Gramatically correct names, but still.
I think there is just something wrong with this whole damn country. Just a thought.
Illegal entry into the country is indeed criminal because a first offense can get you six months in jail which is a misdemeanor criminal offense and additional offenses can get you two years in jail which is a felony criminal offense. As far as I know overstaying a visa is not a criminal offense but merely a civil offense since you only face fines and deportation and can not go to jail or prison over it(I could be wrong on this part so if anyone knows anything please corrent me and post the relavant information). While most illegals are those who came across the border illegally and therefore are criminals, there are some who came here legally on a visa and overstaying their visa are not criminals. The term criminal aliens/immigrant does not distinguish those who are here illegally and those who are here legally and have committed a crime. Nor does it cover illegals who are here because they came in legally and overstayed their visa. So I will stick to "illegals", "illegal immigrants" or illegal aliens".
Illegal Immigration IS A CRIME!
Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.
Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
Criminal and illegal are basically synonyms here.
How about "unauthorized immigrant"?
I prefer Unlawful Alien.
An interesting idea occurred to me. The argument against the term "illegal immigrant" that has the most merit is that it is grammatically incorrect. I know that some people disagree, but their disagreement is irrelvent to this thread (so I am asking people to please refrain from ****ing up this thread by trying to defend or attack the term "illegal immigrant"). This thread is about whether or not people find the undeniably grammatically accurate term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative to "illegal immigrant".
Please vote in the poll. The options are:
I support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.
I support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do NOT find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.
I do NOT support the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do find the term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.
I do NOT support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", and I do NOT find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.
Other
Interesting. Unless I'm wrong in my application, a human being can be "unlawful" according to the definition of "not conforming to the law". That would make it grammatically correct. Maggie called me out earlier for making a mistake, so let me see if she concurs with my interpretation. That might be much better than Criminal Immigrant, though.
That's what the intruders used to be called or illegal alien. Either one.
Why the hell would their status as an immigrant come into play with any other crime than immigration crimes?
Its already been explained to you.There's no logical explanation for using the term Criminal Immigrant in any other context than illegal immigration.
If someone s a legal immigrant, and they subsequently commit a crime, the only accurate term to describe them is "criminal".
No its not.Not all immigrants are criminals. Criminal immigrants refers to immigrants who have committed crimes.Mentioning their status as an immigrant in that context is just a display of bigotry against immigrants.
"Criminal" doesn't describe the noun of "immigrant" unless it is related to the crime they committed to become an immigrant.
I want the term to signify that they came illegally.
Because they are an immigrant who has committed a crime.
Its already been explained to you.
Criminal immigrant is accurate because it describes a immigrant that has committed a crime.
It doesn't matter if that immigrant is an illegal that overstayed a visa who has committed a criminal offense or a legal immigrant that has committed a criminal offense.
No its not.Not all immigrants are criminals. Criminal immigrants refers to immigrants who have committed crimes.
So you are playing grammar fag/nazi because your feelings get butt hurt when someone uses the term illegal,illegal immigrant, or illegal alien?
Wouldn't any term used to describe them do this? I mean, we could call them Flugthrons, and if the definition of that word was "A person who immigrates to a country illegally", it would signify that they came here illegally.
So, with that in mind, would you have a problem calling them Flugthrons (provided it received that definition)?
No, I don't want a word made up.
In fact, that's only more likely to make them claim it's a term to degrade them and people can't directly infer from the term what the heck a Flugthron is.
Illegal and criminal are words straight from the English dictionary. Compounded with the word immigrant, it's pretty intuitive why someone would be called such.
An interesting idea occurred to me. The argument against the term "illegal immigrant" that has the most merit is that it is grammatically incorrect. I know that some people disagree, but their disagreement is irrelvent to this thread (so I am asking people to please refrain from ****ing up this thread by trying to defend or attack the term "illegal immigrant"). This thread is about whether or not people find the undeniably grammatically accurate term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative to "illegal immigrant".
Please vote in the poll. The options are:
I support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.
I support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do NOT find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.
I do NOT support the term "Illegal Immigrant", but I do find the term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.
I do NOT support the use of the term "Illegal Immigrant", and I do NOT find term "Criminal Immigrant" to be an acceptable alternative.
Other
Any term for them was made up at some point. For example, the noun "illegal" was made up to describe them. Do you have a problem with that one?
How for the first part, why for the second? Why are you emotionally invested with the terminology being overt?
But illegal is an adjective which cannot be used to describe a person. And as was pointed out earlier, the adjective version of Criminal also cannot be used to describe a person. Isn't the most logical choice then to create a new term which does describe the person in a grammatically accurate fashion?
I guess that would kind of make sense.
If someone trespassed into a house, they wouldn't be an "illegal tresspasser" they'd be a "criminal tresspasser" BECAUSE they were illegally entering a location.
So an immigrant entering the country illegally could be a criminal immigrant.
I kind of see where yo'ure going with this. I don't really haev an issue with illegal immigrant being the term however because while it may be grammatically incorrect in a technical sense, I think it works in a more casual lexicon sort of way as the impression and implication of the use "illegal" is seemingly no different than that of "criminal".
The term "illegal" was not made up to describe them.
It was already in the English language and was chosen as a shortened form of saying they illegally immigrated.
How's the term wetback working out?
I'll admit, I'm passionate about when people intentionally do crap that's illegal.
Furthermore, I went through the long procedure of properly obtaining a green card for my wife when I married her.
Let's go with III="Illegally Immigrated Idiot".
That's grammatically correct and there's no need for make up a new word.
If you want to be picky, there are such things as compound nouns. Since a criminal and immigrant are both nouns, you don't have to be stuck on this whole adjective plus noun idea for coining the term.
I'm more concerned with the grammatical accuracy of the terms for the purposes of this thread. A person cannot be illegal, but they can be unlawful.
The noun version of th eword most certainly was invented to describe illegals. Illegal does not exist as a noun to describe anything else.
Exactly. The noun "illegal" was made up to describe them. It did not exist until it was made up to do so.
Works like **** for Micks, polacks, degos, chinks, etc. who come here illegally.
Really? Are you passionate about people who jaywalk too? Speeding? slowly rolling through stop signs at 2 am?
Or are you exaggerating?
And it was a damned sight easier for you to do that than it would have been for her to do it without having married you. The laws are ****ed up in general.
But not all illegals are idiots. In fact, many are quite intelligent. Thus, it's not accurate.
It's actually both inaccurate and poor grammar.
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