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Cover Crops, a Farming Revolution With Deep Roots in the Past

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So in addition to the environmental benefits of cover cropping (ie less soil erosion, more soil creation, less fertilizer used, better water retention, reduced need for irrigation, less water and nitrogen runoff, and better soil quality), cover cropping increases yields organically and provides a financial benefit to the farmer

So why do some people insist we need to use GE crops to feed an increasing population when organic practices have proven to increase yields dramatically under real world conditions and GE crops have provided no significant increases in yield over 30 years of use in the real world?
 
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I'm confused, which seems to happen more often as I get older. Are we discussing genetically engineered crops or cover crops? They are entirely different and unrelated in use or purpose.

I use cover crops on my farm in fallow fields to prevent erosion and increase soil nutrient retention.
 
I don't know enough about farming to comment much. But I do know the only think the giant farmers really care about is profit. If this cover cropping was indeed more economical than current methods I would imagine they would be doing it.
 
I don't know enough about farming to comment much. But I do know the only think the giant farmers really care about is profit. If this cover cropping was indeed more economical than current methods I would imagine they would be doing it.

Not always


Many companies only think in the short term, the next 6 months not the next years.

Cover crops will show the most benefit by the looks of its for the next year and years after that. Applying fertilizer improves yield this growing season, but over time yields will drop without ever increasing amounts of fert applied. But for a company the pressure for immediate profits outweighs the profits of the future
 
I don't know enough about farming to comment much. But I do know the only think the giant farmers really care about is profit. If this cover cropping was indeed more economical than current methods I would imagine they would be doing it.

Exactly, which leads me to question the OP.

Efficiency and profit is generally the name of the free-market game.
 

In which case, if cover crops are truly better, we WILL see someone do it within the next decade. Whether that is a big company making a transition or a small start-up company with nothing to lose doing it (and then of course, the start up will grow because these cover crops are better).
 

First off, genetically engineered crops aren't some byproduct of a mad scientist locked in a dark castle on a hill as the image genetic engineering might suggest. Genetically engineered crops are cross pollinated products that resist certain types of disease, are better in drought and/or have some other favorable quality. This means, we use less water and fewer chemicals to produce greater increased yields.

What it doesn't mean is that other techniques are invalid. This sounds like a great technique that has broad application. It doesn't negate the need for genetic engineering and genetic engineering doesn't preclude the use of this technique.
 

Is there some reason both can't be used to increase yields even further?
 
Some farmers are using Sunn Hemp as a cover crop. There is some talk of using the hemp for paper goods.
 
Is there some reason both can't be used to increase yields even further?

Question to ponder...I'm not an expert in horticulture (agriculture). But I've managed to keep an Ivy alive for nearly 30 years. I've had a few gardens over the years. I didn't use pesticides. Other than that...Meh!

Just like our bodies, soil dies after being constantly used. And will constantly artificially enriching soils to reproduce food be effective over the long haul? You know, like bug killers used too much, bugs become immune. So genetically altered foods might allow foods to become immune to those problems associate with artificial means to enrich soil, but in that process - how will the changes impact the people who eats the food? We know for a fact that chemicals can have negative effects on those who consume the food.

So are we, as consumers, asking the right questions of huge agg conglomerates - or maybe I should say - are we really truthfully informed about the realities behind the scenes of corporate farming practices, including genetic alterations of foods? Somehow I don't think these conglomerates are all that concerned about the overall consumer's welfare.
 


I am having a hard time seeing a "revolution" on what my family practiced for decades. It is not rocket science to plant **** so it doesn't erode by wind and water. Duh.

What will happen when they "discover" crop rotation...call it a miracle "breakthrough".

Seriously, I have no idea how anyone can like erosion control with genetically modified foods.

The more I think about it, this is right out of "Idiocracy" where they all suddenly realize that plants need water
 

The article is about cover crops and says nothing about GE crops. I am using the info about cover crops (specifically, its' potential to increase yields) to point out the weakness of the main argument supporters of GE crops use - that we need to use GE crops to increase yield in order to feed a growing global population.
 

As the article notes, the practice of cover cropping is growing fast. However, the article also notes that farmers are very conservative when itcomes to adopting new practices.
 
First off, genetically engineered crops aren't some byproduct of a mad scientist locked in a dark castle on a hill as the image genetic engineering might suggest.

No one said they were. Straw man argument

Genetically engineered crops are cross pollinated products

Wrong. GE crops are not produced through cross pollination. They are produced through genetic manipulation. Genes from one species are inserted into the genome of another.

that resist certain types of disease, are better in drought and/or have some other favorable quality. This means, we use less water and fewer chemicals to produce greater increased yields.

Selective breeding has a much better track record of producing such beneficial results with none of the downsides that GE crops have. And the use of GE crops has been accompanied by an increase in chemical inputs by farmers.

What it doesn't mean is that other techniques are invalid. This sounds like a great technique that has broad application. It doesn't negate the need for genetic engineering and genetic engineering doesn't preclude the use of this technique.

I said nothing about valid. I'm talking about practicality. Non-GE techniques have a proven track record of producing all of the benefits you mentioned, plus several more (ex less erosion, less chemical use, etc) that GE's do not. More specifically, the fact that there are non-GE methods of increasing yields proves that the argument that we need to use GE crops to increase yields is false.
 
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You talk about cover cropping as if it's something every farmer knows about. However, the article specifically points out that few farmers plant cover crops.
 

Oh, okay. Thanks for the clarification.

I use cover crops, and they can increase yields of subsequent crops planted in those fields, but are no where near as effective as GMO's (genetically modified organisms) or what you called GE crops, which is also used to describe them.

GMO's are not evil or bad for you. They have no impact on your health or life, other than to make food more affordable by reducing the losses from drought, over watering, pests, or low nutrients in the soil, just to name a few. The nutritional value of the crop is not reduced, and in some instances is actually increased so that less food can sustain a person for a longer period of time. Nature is the largest producer of GMO's on the planet - it's called evolution. Most GMO technology is VERY low tech - cross pollenating, plant grafting, seed splicing.

To me, the fear of GMO's is the same as the fear of vaccinating children. It's not based on actual science, and more on hyperbole, unfounded (conspiracy) theories, and/or hatred of "evil" corporations like Monsanto (which although I will not defend their unethical business practices, has done nothing unethical or evil or even unhealthy regarding GMO's).
 
You talk about cover cropping as if it's something every farmer knows about. However, the article specifically points out that few farmers plant cover crops.

Every farmer does know about planting cover crops. Maybe not the back yard gardener, but all farmers do.
 
Oh, okay. Thanks for the clarification.

You are welcome

I use cover crops, and they can increase yields of subsequent crops planted in those fields, but are no where near as effective as GMO's (genetically modified organisms) or what you called GE crops, which is also used to describe them.

I am not speaking about GMO crops, as a whole. I am referring specifically to GE crops, which are a subset of GMO's. Cross-pollination and selectve breeding are "traditional" methods of genetically modifying crops and have a proven track record of producing all sorts of beneficial traits including increased yields. Modifying the genes of a crop by taking the genes of one species and inserting those genes into the genome of another species is Genetic Engineering and its' record of increasing yields is pitiful.


I did not say that GE crops (which should not be conflated with GMO crops) are evil or bad. And while the consumption of GE crops have yet to be shown to have any unhealty effects, the growing of GE crops have been shown to increase the use of chemical herbicides and fertilizers and that can have a harmful effect on people's health as well as being environmentally unsound. In addition, the planting of GE crops do not lead to a reduction in water consumption, increased yields, decreased soil erosion nor healthier soil


Again, I am distinguishing between GE crops (ie crops that have genes from other species inserted into them) and crops which have been genetically modified by more "natural" means such as cross pollination and selective breeding.

And while many of GE's critics have used arguments that are factually invalid and emotionally driven, my argument that non-GE methods of increasing yields is supported by the OP (and several posters in this thread who practice cover cropping) and the facts. It proves that the pro-GE-crops argument that we *need* to use GE crops in order to feed a growing population is factually invalid. Like those who oppose GE crops, many of GE's supporters also use arguments that are factually incorrect and emotionally driven.
 
Every farmer does know about planting cover crops. Maybe not the back yard gardener, but all farmers do.

Wrong. If every farmer knew about the benefits, every farmer would be cover cropping. The fact that only a small portion of farmers practice cover cropping proves that few know about the benefits
 

GM crops for the most part are not cross pollinated, but have genes inserted into their genome that are typically foreign to that crop

From Bt Corn that gets genes to produce insecticides with in the plant it self

To crops made more resistant to herbicides (round up ready corn, canola and wheat. We have gone far beyond cross pollination when it comes to GM crops.
 
Every farmer does know about planting cover crops. Maybe not the back yard gardener, but all farmers do.


But fewer and fewer use the old techniques in search of short term profits


Bt corn is not as effective as it was because farmers do not rotate crops, planting Bt corn in the same field year after year leading to insects resistant to the insecticide it produces.
 
Sure they do. That's one of their major points.

No, they don't



Corn is one of the two most commonly planted GE crops (soybeans is the other) and most corn in the US is GE. If GE crops led to increased yields then we should be seeing a huge curve upwards in the growth of corn yields beginning sometime after the introduction of GE corn (in the 80's and 90's). However, we're not seeing those results which proves that GE corn has not increased yields significantly
 
As the article notes, the practice of cover cropping is growing fast. However, the article also notes that farmers are very conservative when itcomes to adopting new practices.

And the solution to that is? Educating on better farming practices?
 
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