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Exactly how do you purport to do that latter? There are an estimated 15 million people that are not here legally. How do you propose to deal with that? Once again, the Conservs have such a simplistic / unrealistic handle on the problems affecting this country. I am not sure what is worse: when the party just says no without offering alternatives or when the party actually opens its mouth and you realize how ridiculous their alternatives actually are.
Nobody is saying that Arizona does not have the right to protect its border, they just cant ignore my rights as a free citizen to do so. We wont let them. We will not tolerate treating us and our kids as second class citizens.
Yes, there are Asian and even white illegals as well, ...
...the mythical non-hispanic illegals.
Exactly how do you purport to do that latter? There are an estimated 15 million people that are not here legally. How do you propose to deal with that? Once again, the Conservs have such a simplistic / unrealistic handle on the problems affecting this country. I am not sure what is worse: when the party just says no without offering alternatives or when the party actually opens its mouth and you realize how ridiculous their alternatives actually are.
Man, I'm NOT against all aspects of sb1070, but that's just silly. This is not "the left playing the race card", that race card got dealt on the damned flop. Yes, there are Asian and even white illegals as well, but to suggest that this bill was not created because of and is not aimed towards Hispanic illegals is just ridiculous. For Pete's sake, not even the bill's proponents are trying to hide behind the mythical non-hispanic illegals.
Make up your mind.
There either ARE non-hispanic illegals or they're "mythical". You said both. They can't both exist and not exist.
Since they do exist, it's clear the Arizona bill is as applicable to them as to the hispanics.
Same for me several years ago when I was stopped for speeding in Virginia. They had no problem finding my GA records on computers nor did they have any problems confirming my then-fiancee's car registration (also in GA).
The myth is not their existence, the myth is that their existence has anything to do with this law, or any anti-immigration laws in border states. Are you seriously suggesting that if Mexican illegal immigrants didn't exist, this law (or this thread) would still exist?
And if they are illegal, they SHOULD be targeted. Legal Hispanics have NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!!!!
They don't now, that the part of the law requiring legal immigrants to carry papers has been shot down. Unless, of course, you think they might be worried about their family being deported. But don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that illegal immigration should be tolerated, although I think there is a separate argument there, I'm not trying to have it here. I'm simply saying that to pretend this is about any race of illegal immigrants is just that, pretending. There's more illegal Mexicans in Arizona than there are illegal anything in the whole country. While if anything this suggests the need for a law such as sb1070, let's not pretend it's coincidence.
The myth is not their existence, the myth is that their existence has anything to do with this law, or any anti-immigration laws in border states. Are you seriously suggesting that if Mexican illegal immigrants didn't exist, this law (or this thread) would still exist?
I really am starting to wonder about the world that I am living in: it is a normal thing to have I.D. and if you are in this country? What is sooooooo frigging off putting about having to have something to show it? Give me a break.
Federal law already requires it. Law in nearly every country in the world required legal aliens to keep their paperwork on their person at all times.
The myth is that Arizona's law is unconstitutional.
No, if Mexican invaders didn't exist, the issue with illegal aliens could be treated by the extant force of ICE and DHS incompetents.
Since there's something close to thirty million invaders, the federal agencies tasked with dealing with immigration violations are swamped and unable to control the issue. However, every level of government has agents who deal with vast numbers of the public in situations that authorize them to check ID. Putting those agents to work in support of federal law is a logical use of coordinated resources, just as local police turn captured counterfeiters over to the Secret Service.
You support, I"m sure, when the National Guard is called up to help some hick town fend off a flood or a fire, don't you?
So there's no logical objections to the use local law enforcement to assist in containing the federal government is obligated to address but has both refused and failed to do so.
I'm sorry, I may be using the wrong words (If you know the right ones feel free to share), by legal immigrant I meant a naturalized citizen, whom under the original bill would be required to carry their documentation, they currently are NOT required to do this under federal law. Legal aliens, citizens of another country, are required to carry their documentation. Naturalized citizens are not, nor should they be.
I'm sorry, I may be using the wrong words (If you know the right ones feel free to share), by legal immigrant I meant a naturalized citizen, whom under the original bill would be required to carry their documentation, they currently are NOT required to do this under federal law. Legal aliens, citizens of another country, are required to carry their documentation. Naturalized citizens are not, nor should they be.
How does anyone prove their status without 'papers?'Please show where in the legislation it requires naturalized citizens to keep their papers. IN my reading of the law, that provision must have slipped me... (I wonder why??)
Yes! Now we are closer to the same page. This law is designed to stop Mexican illegal immigrants, because that's the real problem!
Asian and other ethnicities might be the problem if they can walk or swim here, but they can't, only Mexicans (and South Americans) can, so they are the real problem.
When the right wing pretends that this law is just as much for other races it's clearly not true,
and only lends an air of legitimacy to the cries of "racist".
It doesn't help that some supporters of this bill ARE racist,
or hopelessly stupid, such as Jan Brewer stating that most Mexicans come here not to work but to mule drugs.
A cop could stop a person who was going 2 mph over the speed limit and let the white folks go who are going much faster. It doesn't take much imagination use the law against the brown people. Does it?Either cite the paragraphs in the specific law that state racial discrimination or stop trying to pretend it exists.
No, there's no legitimacy to your efforts to paint the law as racist when you cannot cite the racist specifics in the law.
There are no racist specifics in the law, so give up.
It's completely irrelevant to the law. Look at all the racists that voted for Obama.
ALL Mexicans who entered the nation illegally and every person of every other national origin who entered the country illegally deliberately broke the law, and that's the ONLY THING that matters.
How does anyone prove their status without 'papers?'
Nothing unrealistic about the realization that if enough employers of these invaders are fined and jailed, the other employers will get the picture and the invaders won't have any jobs.
No jobs means no rent payments.
No rent payments means no roof.
No roof means "goin' back home", just like many of the Invaders in Arizona are doing.
You have noticed the invaders are leaving Arizona like rats fleeing a cooling camel corpse, haven't you? The rest of us have. Funny effect that, for a law that hasn't even been enforced yet. Just wait until the Robert's court properly declares the provisions of the law Constitutional and other states rush to copy it. That will put huge pressures on the remaining states to follow suit, too.
Again, the solution is that simple. It's called "enforce existing law". Which all that SB1070 allows Arizona police to do, and nothing more than that.
A cop could stop a person who was going 2 mph over the speed limit and let the white folks go who are going much faster. It doesn't take much imagination use the law against the brown people. Does it?
No matter, the law will never see the light of day, IMO.
Are you avoiding answering my specific question or not understanding what I am asking? I'll grant you the fact that its federal law that immigrants carry proof, so what? Do you fail at logic? How does a American citizen (say of Mexican descent) prove they are citizens?Only immigrants are required to do so... this is already in the federal law...
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