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Could America have stopped WWII?

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So here's the scenario:

1936

1. America wasn't isolationist pre-WWII. Quite the opposite. They called America, "the World's Policeman."

2. America had state of the art equipment. America produced the M4A1 Sherman tank in 1936. That year, the p47 fighter was also produced.

3. America had bases in Europe with tens of thousands of troops in France and Poland.

4. Soon as Hitler invaded the Rhineland, America made Hitler stop and withdraw back to his borders.

5. America stayed on top of things and made sure Hitler didn't go on any adventures.


We would've saved 440,000 Americans, for starters and 63 million dead world wide.

Forget about Japan for the moment.


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Were points 1 - 3 true? Or is this just a theoretical discussion?
 
Uh, sure?

This has no basis in reality, but I guess.
 
swing_voter said:
So here's the scenario:

1936

1. America wasn't isolationist pre-WWII. Quite the opposite. They called America, "the World's Policeman."

2. America had state of the art equipment. America produced the M4A1 Sherman tank in 1936. That year, the p47 fighter was also produced.

3. America had bases in Europe with tens of thousands of troops in France and Poland.

4. Soon as Hitler invaded the Rhineland, America made Hitler stop and withdraw back to his borders.

5. America stayed on top of things and made sure Hitler didn't go on any adventures.


We would've saved 440,000 Americans, for starters and 63 million dead world wide.

Forget about Japan for the moment.


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This is a 'if my sister had balls she'd be my brother' scenario, right?
The USSR won WW2 in Europe.
 
Considering, among other things, that the US still hadn’t replaced its horse cavalry with mechanized units until 1942…no.
 
swing_voter said:
So here's the scenario:

1936

1. America wasn't isolationist pre-WWII. Quite the opposite. They called America, "the World's Policeman."

2. America had state of the art equipment. America produced the M4A1 Sherman tank in 1936. That year, the p47 fighter was also produced.

3. America had bases in Europe with tens of thousands of troops in France and Poland.

4. Soon as Hitler invaded the Rhineland, America made Hitler stop and withdraw back to his borders.

5. America stayed on top of things and made sure Hitler didn't go on any adventures.


We would've saved 440,000 Americans, for starters and 63 million dead world wide.

Forget about Japan for the moment.


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The only thing that would have stopped hitler before the war would have been to assassinate him though that might not have gone over well with the German government so nah.
 
The point I'm making is that today we're the "world's policeman" and we have the state of the art equipment and we're in everyone's business.

I'm saying if we were that way in 1935, we could've stopped WWII.

Isolationism is dangerous in a dangerous world. And we were very isolationist in 1935.

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swing_voter said:
The point I'm making is that today we're the "world's policeman" and we have the state of the art equipment and we're in everyone's business.

I'm saying if we were that way in 1935, we could've stopped WWII.

Isolationism is dangerous in a dangerous world. And we were very isolationist in 1935.

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On the contrary, isolationism would have prevented WW1 and by default WW2.
 
swing_voter said:
So here's the scenario:

1936

1. America wasn't isolationist pre-WWII. Quite the opposite. They called America, "the World's Policeman."

2. America had state of the art equipment. America produced the M4A1 Sherman tank in 1936. That year, the p47 fighter was also produced.

3. America had bases in Europe with tens of thousands of troops in France and Poland.

4. Soon as Hitler invaded the Rhineland, America made Hitler stop and withdraw back to his borders.

5. America stayed on top of things and made sure Hitler didn't go on any adventures.


We would've saved 440,000 Americans, for starters and 63 million dead world wide.

Forget about Japan for the moment.


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France and the UK would have defeated Germany from the get-go if they had invaded Germany when Germany invaded Poland, rather than dig in WW1 style. Germany had sent nearly all resources including aircraft and tanks for the invasion of Poland. The French army was much larger, and France had better and more tanks, vastly more artillery and with the UK superior airpower, for which adding the UK they could have rolled into Berlin in a couple of weeks.

You question isn't legit for the what ifs of it. The real question is could the USA have prevented WW2 as it was at the time? In my opinion, no. It was not until Hitler invaded Poland and then France was it realized Hitler was out to conquer the world. The only thing that would have stopped WW2 would have been if the allies had enforced de-armament of Germany, while dropping all WW1 reparations and stopped extreme blockage of the Germany economy.

If one removes the holocaust from discussion of WW2 (no one does and is what it was all about to most people), France and UK did not have clean hands on all this. They were log jamming Germany economically every way possible.

Merely having announced in the early 30s the treaty punishment after WW1 is erased, giving Germany more access to the sea, while enforcing arms limitations, could have prevented it.

Asking if we were already all ramped up for war more than Germany could we have stopped WW2? Who knows?
 
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The U.S. hesitated because many powerful people were making money but preaching isolationism while selling to the Nazis ( sound familiar ???) .

The most guilty of all was the Bush famally .

Supplying Nazis is where they built their wealth...
 
The US before the start of WW2 was nothing like it is today.
It didn't have the military might or reach and The Royal Navy was still the largest navy in the world.

There's a reason the US didn't get involved in WW2 right at the start.
 
swing_voter said:
So here's the scenario:

1936

1. America wasn't isolationist pre-WWII. Quite the opposite. They called America, "the World's Policeman."

2. America had state of the art equipment. America produced the M4A1 Sherman tank in 1936. That year, the p47 fighter was also produced.

3. America had bases in Europe with tens of thousands of troops in France and Poland.

4. Soon as Hitler invaded the Rhineland, America made Hitler stop and withdraw back to his borders.

5. America stayed on top of things and made sure Hitler didn't go on any adventures.


We would've saved 440,000 Americans, for starters and 63 million dead world wide.

Forget about Japan for the moment.


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Roosevelt might have been able to stop WWII by not conspiring to bring it about . . .
 
AmNat said:
Roosevelt might have been able to stop WWII by not conspiring to bring it about . . .
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Uh....what?

Your evidence that Roosevelt was “conspiring” with Hitler is....what, exactly?
 
swing_voter said:
So here's the scenario:

1936

1. America wasn't isolationist pre-WWII. Quite the opposite. They called America, "the World's Policeman."

2. America had state of the art equipment. America produced the M4A1 Sherman tank in 1936. That year, the p47 fighter was also produced.

3. America had bases in Europe with tens of thousands of troops in France and Poland.

4. Soon as Hitler invaded the Rhineland, America made Hitler stop and withdraw back to his borders.

5. America stayed on top of things and made sure Hitler didn't go on any adventures.


We would've saved 440,000 Americans, for starters and 63 million dead world wide.

Forget about Japan for the moment.


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Actually, America could have prevented World War II by staying in the Versailles treaty after World War I, and acting as referee between the European countries. When Germany was crying uncle under the weight of it were reparations, the French refused to show any mercy, and kept pummeling them into the ground. It was humiliating, not to mention economically devastating. That was what led to World War II. If they had a fair referee, this may have been mitigated.
 
AmNat said:
If you read post 14 carefully, you might notice that the name "Hitler" is not contained within it.
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In other words you fully admit Roosevelt could not have stopped Hitler from starting World War Two, and therefore your blather about him “conspiring to bring it about” is a bad joke. Got it.
 
Tigerace117 said:
In other words you fully admit Roosevelt could not have stopped Hitler from starting World War Two, and therefore your blather about him “conspiring to bring it about” is a bad joke. Got it.
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Roosevelt and his emissaries in Europe (chiefly William Bullitt) were actively working to get Britain and France into a war against Germany, which USG would finance and (eventually) join. This is well documented.
 
AmNat said:
Roosevelt and his emissaries in Europe (chiefly William Bullitt) were actively working to get Britain and France into a war against Germany, which USG would finance and (eventually) join. This is well documented.
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Britain and France by 1939 knew full well that Hitler was never going to abide by any agreement he made. His own aggression, not imaginary “plots by Roosevelt”, was what caused Britain and France to go to war with Germany. This is well documented.
 
swing_voter said:
So here's the scenario:

1936

1. America wasn't isolationist pre-WWII. Quite the opposite. They called America, "the World's Policeman."

2. America had state of the art equipment. America produced the M4A1 Sherman tank in 1936. That year, the p47 fighter was also produced.
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The M4A1 was designed in 1940, as well as the P-47.
swing_voter said:
3. America had bases in Europe with tens of thousands of troops in France and Poland.
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What now?
swing_voter said:
4. Soon as Hitler invaded the Rhineland, America made Hitler stop and withdraw back to his borders.
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France could have done this by itself, if its leaders had had any backbone. In fact, if France had moved in troops, it's very likely that the German general staff would have overthrown Hitler.
swing_voter said:
5. America stayed on top of things and made sure Hitler didn't go on any adventures.
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GB and France not selling out the Czechs would also have gong a long way to stopping Htiler.
swing_voter said:
We would've saved 440,000 Americans, for starters and 63 million dead world wide.

Forget about Japan for the moment.


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Tigerace117 said:
Britain and France by 1939 knew full well that Hitler was never going to abide by any agreement he made. His own aggression, not imaginary “plots by Roosevelt”, was what caused Britain and France to go to war with Germany. This is well documented.
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Just to be clear, you're not denying the facts I mentioned in post 19?
 
Maybe.

But America sure couldn't stop the Freedom Fighters in Afghanistan.

Freedom is ON THE MARCH!!!!!

Viva leFreedom!!
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