Remember the now-infamous promise made by President Barack Obama when pushing the Affordable Care Act, better known as Obamacare? “If you like your plan,” the president repeated on dozens of occasions, “you can keep your plan.”
When millions of Americans got thrown off of their existing health-insurance plans in the fall of 2013, PolitiFact called it the Lie of the Year. Obama ended up apologizing for the lie in an interview with NBC News’ Chuck Todd in November 2013, even if he couldn’t quite bring himself to admit that it was a lie. “We weren’t as clear as we needed to be in terms of the changes that were taking place,” was as far as Obama’s contrition went.
The more messed up that PPACA makes things in the "private" medical care insurance market then the more likely that folks will demand a different federal government solution. Talk has already (largely) shifted from repealing PPACA to replacing PPACA - that still means federal control of all medical care insurance will remain the law of the land.
All is proceeding as we have foreseen. In fact, we saw this coming years ago.
The more messed up that PPACA makes things in the "private" medical care insurance market then the more likely that folks will demand a different federal government solution. Talk has already (largely) shifted from repealing PPACA to replacing PPACA - that still means federal control of all medical care insurance will remain the law of the land.
It is really very sad to go for such a misbegotten system, just because the political elite couldn't manage to inform the population, how an economically rational system would work.
ooooooo LD, let me stop you right there. You saw death panels. You saw a govt takeover of health care.You saw nobody signing up. You saw nobody paying when they did sign up. You saw 50-100 million people losing insurance. You saw a death spiral. You saw Obamacare adding to the deficit. You saw Obamacare destroying the economy and killing jobs. yep, you 'saw' a lot of things that simply didn't happen. At some point you should stop trusting your own opinion in these matters.
And the amazing thing is that you (and all conservatives apparently) ignore the non stop lies that have literally blown up in your face and happily and obediently believe the next lie. I have found that conservatives are simply incapable of admitting even the most basic facts concerning Obamacare. Prove me wrong LD. Start your next post with the following sentence:
"Sure Obamacare has covered 20 million people but .........."
The fundamental problem has always been to call it a health care system, which implies that the whole industry needs to be topped-down managed. Systems have system operators or managers, who make sweeping decisions that have huge as well as trickle down effects, to "fix" one aspect. Rather, it is a market, made up tens of thousands individual businesses, which means that regulating it [NOT manaaging it] should consist of establishing a few simple rules and enforcing them, rather than tens of thousands of pages of minuatae procedures, with all sorts of carve outs and exceptions.
ooooooo LD, let me stop you right there. You saw death panels. You saw a govt takeover of health care.You saw nobody signing up. You saw nobody paying when they did sign up. You saw 50-100 million people losing insurance. You saw a death spiral. You saw Obamacare adding to the deficit. You saw Obamacare destroying the economy and killing jobs. yep, you 'saw' a lot of things that simply didn't happen. At some point you should stop trusting your own opinion in these matters.
And the amazing thing is that you (and all conservatives apparently) ignore the non stop lies that have literally blown up in your face and happily and obediently believe the next lie. I have found that conservatives are simply incapable of admitting even the most basic facts concerning Obamacare. Prove me wrong LD. Start your next post with the following sentence:
"Sure Obamacare has covered 20 million people but .........."
The goal was NOT to do a good thing.
If you don't grab and hold that idea, you don't understand Obamacare.
ooooooo LD, let me stop you right there. You saw death panels. You saw a govt takeover of health care.You saw nobody signing up. You saw nobody paying when they did sign up. You saw 50-100 million people losing insurance. You saw a death spiral. You saw Obamacare adding to the deficit. You saw Obamacare destroying the economy and killing jobs. yep, you 'saw' a lot of things that simply didn't happen. At some point you should stop trusting your own opinion in these matters.
And the amazing thing is that you (and all conservatives apparently) ignore the non stop lies that have literally blown up in your face and happily and obediently believe the next lie. I have found that conservatives are simply incapable of admitting even the most basic facts concerning Obamacare. Prove me wrong LD. Start your next post with the following sentence:
"Sure Obamacare has covered 20 million people but .........."
It's a mess. I've had two policies cancelled because between the Marketplace and Blue Cross, they didn't understand either what binder payments are or simply didn't know how to register them. I've tried on several occasions in both instances to have my insurance reinstated to no avail. Absolutely no mercy. And I was always totally willing to pay and in one instance, signed up for automatic withdrawal from my checking account and they still screwed it up. Last April, I got to add over $300 to my federal tax bill because my issues never got resolved so I simply didn't have insurance. Part of the problem is that you have three entities that don't work well together and often blame each other. If I call Blue Cross and ask them why my insurance was cancelled, they blame the Marketplace. The Marketplace blames Blue Cross. I ask the Marketplace if they can at least waive my penalty, but nope, they have nothing to do with the IRS.
I've probably had at least 30 phone conversations to attempt to resolve these issues. I've sent probably 10 different appeals. Now I'm dealing with a U.S. Senator and Congressman to attempt to get this resolved. What it all boils down to though is that this is our inefficient government, and always has been. All one had to do before the ACA went into effect was look at the history of our government to see how this would turn out.
At what cost?
Part of the waterfall of lies and swindles and bribes and kick backs that sold this bait and switch scheme was that the average family would see their premiums reduced by $2500 per year.
By the way, INSURING 20 million more people does not mean that we are caring for 20 million more people. The people were already being cared for.
Luckily, though, since Obamacare arrived we are suddenly raised from being ranked the absolute worst in the world to being to being ranked the absolute worst. What!!??!?! Is this was a Trillion dollars buys around here?
Indiana refused to be a part of the swindle and instead expanded Medicare covering the poorest individuals.
Those with money to pay for insurance go about their business. Those who are too poor get help.
This is obviously NOT the Obamacare, communist, model.
It makes sense and does what Obamacare was presented to do except it does so without turning the whole system upside down.
Obviously NOT a BIG FEDERAL GOVERNMENT solution. It works, is economical, is generous and is effective.
ALL of those qualities are normally absent from big government solutions.
Whatever. It was built in a way that could have sought forgiveness, had it been enacted to do a good thing. But, if it doesn't even have that albeit silly excuse, it was even worse than negligent.
Oh Code, see how once you believe a lie you don't let go no matter what. The 2500 dollar savings was for President Obama's universal plan. that's not what passed. President Obama had to compromise on the republicans plan of mandates. And code, every time an editorial reminds you of the 2500, they rely on you not knowing the truth. What does that say about them and what does it say about you?
Oh code, the republicans really appreciate your obedience. maybe they got their broken legs fixed at the emergency room but they weren't getting stents or chemo at the emergency room. And code, they definitely weren't getting that thing on their neck looked at. that requires a doctor visit because its not an emergency.
If it weren't for Obamacare increasing access to heathcare and making it more affordable, reducing the deficit and improving the quality of care, I would say not shooting to the top of the chart before the first year of coverage even kicked in would definitely be justification for repeal. thank goodness it increases access to heathcare and makes it more affordable, reduces the deficit and improves the quality of care. Here's a link if you want to see the scoring. we'll probably always be last in access. the other countries have universal coverage.
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oh code, you have to start a thread on the "Indiana miracle". this story is too big for just one post. We need more.
wow, its hard to believe you're having such problems with such a simple process. And three years into it even. Which one is you?
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Hahaha !!
Its not ObamaCare is a stinking pile of crap that's partially responsibile for the Dems losing the Senate and mores seats in the House, its that Americans are too stupid to use it
Any failure of Big government to help the poor, uniformed and stupid population is the fault of the poor, uninformed and stupid population.
Not much different than any other faith healer failing to heal. You gives him your money and your takes your chances.
Any failure of Big government to help the poor, uniformed and stupid population is the fault of the poor, uninformed and stupid population.
Not much different than any other faith healer failing to heal. You gives him your money and your takes your chances.
Hahaha !!
Its not ObamaCare is a stinking pile of crap that's partially responsibile for the Dems losing the Senate and mores seats in the House, its that Americans are too stupid to use it
oh fenton, it wasn't Obamacare. It was the non stop lies from the right about Obamacare and the ignorance of conservatives belieiving those lies. Just read Code's posts if you don't understand.
Oh code, thanks for the laughs. It’s always funny when conservatives accuse me of exactly what they do. First, see how you avoid discussing the “2500 saving” lie you posted. Run con run. Second, I wasn’t discussing republicans not voting for Obamacare nor was I discussing what amendments made it out of committees in 2009 . I was discussing President Obama’s universal health care plan died in congress so he compromised on the republican plan of mandates. Here’s a politifact article on what I was actually discussing not what you wish I was discussingIf you need to distort to support your case, you make your case look a little weak. Why not deal in actual facts instead of distortion and half truths?
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