Cosby accusers to speak in A&E special

[Hatuey]

I never said he is racist simply because he did not challenge racism.

That's right, how could I forget? You made some long winded nonsensical argument where Cosby is both a racist and somebody who benefits from white privilege by portraying blacks as just another group of people with down to earth problems and sometimes quirky personalities. Do enlighten us, why does your sociology professor think Bill Cosby is a racist? I can agree that the man is a rapist, but I'd love to see the argument explaining why the man is a racist. Hell, if you'd like we can have a debate on this. What do you say? 3 posts each, leave it up to a forum vote? However, before you do that, can you tell me what kind of person I am?

 

[Brischera]

That's right, how could I forget? You made some long winded nonsensical argument where Cosby is both a racist and somebody who benefits from white privilege by portraying blacks as just another group of people with down to earth problems and sometimes quirky personalities. Do enlighten us, why does your sociology professor think Bill Cosby is a racist? I can agree that the man is a rapist, but I'd love to see the argument explaining why the man is a racist. Hell, if you'd like we can have a debate on this. What do you say? 3 posts each, leave it up to a forum vote? However, before you do that, can you tell me what kind of person I am?

You have yet to show why it was nonsensical and have done your best to avoid addressing the comparisons. Your time of almost a decade on this board has left you ill equipped for an actual dialogue which is why you reference phantom professors and think it matters what kind of person you are.

Cosby had made numerous racist comments regarding how African Americans speak and dress and falsely accused them of hiding behind racism while claiming they are the only ones to blame. Im sure you have a nice sugar coated apology for everything he said so please entertain us.

 

[Brischera]

Bill Clinton was sometimes referred to in the past as "the first black president". I think you're making a case for black privilege.

Your attempts to derail are almost as bad as your attempt to respond to the OP.

 

[Fenton]

Nobody has claimed there are helpless victims regarding white privilege or that they are not responsible for their own choices. Anytime people make such comments about white privilege they are accidentally screaming to the world they have absolutely no idea what it means and they dont care because they are willing to bash anything they do not understand.

Jumbled rhetoric

Why don't you offer up some examples of this supposed privilege.

 

[Hatuey]

You have yet to show why it was nonsensical

Because your definition of what it means to be racist is subjectively applied and based on some flawed belief that benefiting from a system, and not taking up a cause makes one a racist. That's just silly. Was Jimi Hendrix a racist? Is Obama a racist? Both of these individuals certainly benefited from one degree or another from the white privilege of those they surrounded themselves with. However, as is the case with your premise, it would be ridiculous to state that benefitting and not being loud enough when it comes to some issue is an indictment of racism. Wait, I forgot, you have yet to define what it means to be a racist.

and have done your best to avoid addressing the comparisons. Your time of almost a decade on this board has left you ill equipped for an actual dialogue which is why you reference phantom professors and think it matters what kind of person you are.

There are no comparisons in your statement. There are only accusations. Utter nonsense really that means nothing until you define what it means to be racist. Which you know, you've yet to do.

Cosby had made numerous racist comments regarding how African Americans speak and dress and falsely accused them of hiding behind racism while claiming they are the only ones to blame. Im sure you have a nice sugar coated apology for everything he said so please entertain us.

Lol, saying that black people are getting shot in the back of the head over nonsense is not racism. It's stating what is a truth. People in the black community do get shot over nonsense. The reasons why somebody uses such criticism may be indicative of whether they're racist or not but even in Cosby's case it could easily be shown that he believed these criticisms were necessary for the black community to better itself. He wouldn't be the first person to voice similar beliefs. Malcolm X criticized white privilege while also being conscious that the black community was doing harm to itself through violence on its own people.

You're starting to remind me of posters like VanceMack who argue that the black community is hypocritical for not addressing intercity violence sufficiently. Only in your case, you're using some imagined lack of dialogue to label certain people as racist pagans who don't comfort to some imagined orthodoxy of how black people should think. Both groups are silly. One for believing that these discussions are not happening, the other for believing that a person who doesn't have these discussions to a sufficient subjective standard made up in some university is a racist.

So anyways, you're 0 for 2 so far. You've yet to define what it means to be a racist, and you've yet to tell me what kind of person I am. :lol:

 

[MaggieD]

Cosby accusers to speak in A&E special

From the article:

"A one-hour special, Cosby: The Women Speak (Thursday, 9 p.m. ET/PT), will feature interviews with some of the dozens of women who say they were sexually abused by Cosby, whose reputation has been battered by the charges."


A most interesting aspect of this whole case is we all know when an African American is accused of a crime there is not much effort on getting people to accuse him of being guilty based on nothing more than rumors from one or two sources.

Why has Cosby been outside the normal reactions? It cannot be simply due to his celebrity because the same excuse was not provided for in cases regarding people like Tupac or Mike Tyson.

The primary reason Cosby has been protected is white privilege and his racism towards African Americans. The same people who held him up repeatedly as a "credit to his race" did not want to admit they have been backing a rapist as well as a racist.

I think the whole thing is ridiculous. How is ANYONE supposed to defend himself from accusations about things that happened years ago? I think it can't be done.

 

[DiAnna]

This isn't actually true. The "Confession" was simply corroborating the story of two women who stated that they had taken drugs willingly before sex with Cosby (can't remember the drug but it is one that is supposed to heighten sexual experience). But then if that means you are a rapist then we should arrest practically everyone in Hollywood.

That is not what I read in the deposition. Link, please.

 

[americanwoman]

Cosby accusers to speak in A&E special

From the article:

"A one-hour special, Cosby: The Women Speak (Thursday, 9 p.m. ET/PT), will feature interviews with some of the dozens of women who say they were sexually abused by Cosby, whose reputation has been battered by the charges."


A most interesting aspect of this whole case is we all know when an African American is accused of a crime there is not much effort on getting people to accuse him of being guilty based on nothing more than rumors from one or two sources.

Why has Cosby been outside the normal reactions? It cannot be simply due to his celebrity because the same excuse was not provided for in cases regarding people like Tupac or Mike Tyson.

The primary reason Cosby has been protected is white privilege and his racism towards African Americans. The same people who held him up repeatedly as a "credit to his race" did not want to admit they have been backing a rapist as well as a racist.

Now OJ Simpson's "not guilty" verdict all makes sense. He was a racist and used his white privledge to get away with murder!

:lol:

 

[Hatuey]

Now OJ Simpson's "not guilty" verdict all makes sense. He was a racist and used his white privledge to get away with murder!

:lol:

It's pretty sad that white privilege which is a name for many of the advantages whites in this country have historically had (and still benefit from in many ways directly or indirectly), has become nothing more than a catch all phrase without much meaning. It's about as overused by the left as "political correctness" is for the right.

 

[ecofarm]

Yeah, that is going to work. When I see this I realize that some people never want racism to end. It is nothing more than an excuse for some people to act like racists with impunity.

It's nonsense to pretend an understanding of the social impacts of a social construct means that one advocates racial bigotry from anyone, minority or otherwise. It's a total cop-out for someone that doesn't understand racism is more than racial bigotry to pretend others are ok with racial bigotry from some people. Despite your ignorance and ridiculous conclusion drawn from that ignorance, I can assure you that I find racial bigotry abhorrent from anyone.

 

[NonoBadDog]

I can assure you that I find racial bigotry abhorrent from anyone.

We can agree on that much. The rest was superfluous BS.

 

[ecofarm]

We can agree on that much. The rest was superfluous BS.

No, the rest was a social understanding of a social construct instead of reducing a social construct to an individual act because one is incapable of understanding that racism is about more than just racial bigotry.

Honestly, it takes intentional ignorance to not see the difference between majority bigotry and minority bigotry regarding impacts on society.

To make it simple:

If a black man says he hates whites, it will never oppress white people as a group. So it doesn't matter to me, it's pissing in the wind. However, if a white says he hates blacks it is a threat to blacks as a group in the perpetuation of systemic privilege.

If one cannot understand that, one is beyond help.

 

[NonoBadDog]

No, the rest was a social understanding of a social construct instead of reducing a social construct to an individual act because one is incapable of understanding that racism is about more than just racial bigotry.

Honestly, it takes intentional ignorance to not see the difference between majority bigotry and minority bigotry regarding impacts on society.

To make it simple:

If a black man says he hates whites, it will never oppress white people as a group. So it doesn't matter to me, it's pissing in the wind. However, if a white says he hates blacks it is a threat to blacks as a group in the perpetuation of systemic privilege.

If one cannot understand that, one is beyond help.

You make simple seem like quantum physics. It is as easy as this. Treat everyone with respect unless they prove that they have a mean heart. All that other stuff is just words. Actions are louder than words. I don't think about social construct when I am dealing with anyone. I am assessing whether that is a good person or not. If so then I open up. If not then I find a way to walk away. Color has nothing to do with it. I expect the same from anyone else that interacts with me. An asshat is an asshat, regardless of color. I can't worry about what everyone else does. I can only do what I can do. I choose not to limit myself with false and ignorant barriers.

 

[ecofarm]

You make simple seem like quantum physics.

No, that's probably you.

 

[Natan]

No, the rest was a social understanding of a social construct instead of reducing a social construct to an individual act because one is incapable of understanding that racism is about more than just racial bigotry.

Honestly, it takes intentional ignorance to not see the difference between majority bigotry and minority bigotry regarding impacts on society.

To make it simple:

If a black man says he hates whites, it will never oppress white people as a group. So it doesn't matter to me, it's pissing in the wind. However, if a white says he hates blacks it is a threat to blacks as a group in the perpetuation of systemic privilege.

If one cannot understand that, one is beyond help.

Ah, the classic social justice warrior redefinition of racism: we see a modification of the standard dictionary definition of racism by the addition of the word "majority". Black people use this as a trick when they themselves are accused of racism: they can be called bigoted, but not racist, as they are not the majority or not dominant. This is an artificial construction to absolve oneself of guilt. You can find many social activists who truly believe this artificial wordplay nonsense, creating a very strong self delusion.

A good explanation can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE0YmFqedhY

 

[ecofarm]

Ah, the classic social justice warrior redefinition of racism: we see the addition of the word "majority". Black people use this as a trick when they themselves are accused of racism: they can be called bigoted, but not racist, as they are not the majority or not dominant. This is an artificial construction to absolve oneself of guilt. You can find many social activists who truly believe this artificial wordplay nonsense, creating a very strong self delusion.

A good explanation can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE0YmFqedhY

The only guilt a black person is absolved of is oppressing whites as a group, because a minority cannot do that.

No one is absolving anyone of racial bigotry. That claim is just BS you invent to demonize those with a social understanding of racism and how it's different than the individual act of racial bigotry.

That someone does not understand how racial bigotry affects a minority group differently than a majority group - as groups - is pathetic.

 

[Natan]

The only guilt a black person is absolved of is oppressing whites as a group, because a minority cannot do that.

Very funny. You truly believe that stuff.

No one is absolving anyone of racial bigotry. That claim is just BS you invent to demonize those with a social understanding of racism and how it's different than the individual act of racial bigotry.

"Social understanding"? I understand the dictionary definition of racism and don't need redefinitions from racist "social justice warriors"

racism:
noun
1. the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
2. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Please enlighten me of the occurrence of words like "majority" and "minority" in this definition in order to make a discrimination between "racism" and "bigotry".

That someone does not understand how racial bigotry affects a minority group differently than a majority group - as groups - is pathetic.

You need to read less of those "social justice warriors" Tumblr accounts where they repeat that "majority"/"minority" and "racism"/"bigotry" nonsense over and over.

 

[ecofarm]

Very funny. You truly believe that stuff.


"Social understanding"? I understand the dictionary definition and don't need redefinitions from racist "social justice warriors"


You need to read less of those "social justice warriors" Tumblr accounts where they repeat that majority nonsense over and over.

Do you believe a minority can oppress the majority as a group?

Do you believe the majority can oppress a minority as a group?

Therein we find the difference between racial bigotry by the majority and a minority.

 

[Natan]

The only guilt a black person is absolved of is oppressing whites as a group, because a minority cannot do that.

Another thing: my ex wife is Ugandan. She claimed the only good thing Idi Amin ever did was ethnically cleanse Uganda of "Indians" (general term Ugandans use for Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis as they "all look alike"). Now while it may be true that many "Indians" were and still are also racist (despite being the minority) towards black Ugandans, black Ugandans were clearly the majority. So here is my question: are black Ugandans racists when they favor(ed) ethnically cleansing Uganda or are they just a tad bigoted / biased?

Do you believe a minority can oppress the majority as a group?
Do you believe the majority can oppress a minority as a group?
Therein we find the difference between racial bigotry by the majority and a minority.

In South Africa, whites were the minority and oppressed the majority just fine. You think Apartheid wasn't racist?

 

[ecofarm]

Another thing: my ex wife is Ugandan...

A minority group cannot oppress the majority group. The majority group can, and does, oppress minority groups (in the US, this is merely systemic privilege and not overt institutional racism). It doesn't matter black, white or purple, those are facts. And without the ability to oppress another group, the individual act of racial bigotry does not rise to racism (a social construct).

For example, in Kenya (and ignoring a global context, for the point of illustration) blacks are capable of oppressing Arabs as a group and not vice versa; thus, in this case (again, ignoring global context) a black racial bigot in Kenya is a racist while an Arab racial bigot in Kenya is a racial bigot.

 

[Natan]

Don't care. A minority group cannot oppress the majority group.

Hahaha. Nelson Mandela is spinning in his grave so hard, if he were hooked up to a generator he'd solve the electricity shortages in South Africa.

Racism and oppression are two different terms by the way. Again: look at the dictionary definition of racism/ no mention of the words "majority", "minority" or "oppressing". So, according to your (re)definition:

1. someone who has an occasional black friend, but never oppresses blacks in his private life or at the workplace, but says the vilest things on Stormfront is not racist because he's not busy oppressing?
2. when white people will become a minority in the US (bound to happen), but will still be politically and economically dominant, no white person will ever be called racist again? Yay.

 

[ecofarm]

Hahaha. Nelson Mandela is spinning in his grave so hard, if he were hooked up to a generator he'd solve electricity shortages.

It's important that you remember we are not talking merely about a number minority. In a discussion of social dynamics we are talking about the power majority that while often coinciding is not always the case.

Further, this understanding - that we're talking about power and not numbers that may or may not coincide - is important in a discussion of a business, for example. To illustrate: a white may be a number minority in the kitchen of a restaurant, but they are not in the power minority as most managers will be white.

 

[Natan]

It's important that you remember we are not talking merely about a number minority. In a discussion of social dynamics we are talking about the power majority that while often coinciding is not always the case.

Ah, more additional artificial definitions. We're now no longer talking about minorities and majorities but "power minorities" and "power majorities". Anyway, I'm going to log off and go to sleep (2:38 AM local time), I've entertained this nonsense enough. Goodnight.

 

[ecofarm]

Ah, more additional artificial definitions. We're now no longer talking about minorities and majorities but "power minorities" and "power majorities". Anyway, I'm going to log off and go to sleep (2:38 AM local time), I've entertained this nonsense enough. Goodnight.

My first post herein:

You grasp of the concept is non-existent. Blacks cannot be racist against whites because racism is a social construct perpetuated by the (power) majority against the (again, power, not always numbers) minority.

It is impossible for a minority power to oppress the majority power as a group. Do you believe it's possible for blacks to oppress whites as a group? Well, obviously whites do oppress blacks as a group.

Of course, it is possible for minorities to contribute to the oppression of minorities (this occurs in several ways), whether it be their minority group or another. As they are not members of the benefiting party, through systemic privilege, (in the case of Cosby perpetuating racism against blacks, if that claim is true), they may perpetuate racism without being racists.

That you do not understand the importance of power as opposed to merely numbers in social dynamics is your failing not mine. You're just being pissy because your "what about Apartheid" was not the slam dunk you ignorantly imagined it to be.

 

[Brischera]

Jumbled rhetoric

Why don't you offer up some examples of this supposed privilege.

Preference on housing applications, job interviews, public jobs, and presumption of innocence. To name a few.