Cops Across US Are Resigning, Retiring Like Crazy...

[Gaius46]

In the PERF survey, officers said the national conversation over the role of police—and calls to hold them more accountable—was a major reason for resigning.

seriously? Quitting because you’re being held accountable for your actions? What do you want? That NO rules apply to you? Jesus.

And I read the article. It’s drivel.

 

[justabubba]

Adrenaline Junkies and those who were picked on in school and want a little payback need not apply.

People like that don't need the authority of a badge, fast car and a gun.

i agree with your basis for culling applicants

but how do you avoid them when there is a vast shortfall of better qualified applicants, a lot of law enforcement positions that need to be filled, low pay, declining prestige of the LEO position, and an expectation to work among the dregs of society on a regular basis?

 

[Tahuyaman]

Adrenaline Junkies and those who were picked on in school and want a little payback need not apply.

People like that don't need the authority of a badge, fast car and a gun.

That doesn't happen.

 

[aociswundumho]

It's fascinating to see the very same people who criticize the state and warn other against the abuses of government defend and almost worship the most authoritarian branches of government.

You're right, unfortunately.

But remember that this "most authoritarian branch of government" is what people like you rely on to enforce your endless list of government decrees and regulations.

 

[joko104]

Police officers resigning and it not being possible to fill vacancies is something the Democratic Party certainly has no reason to oppose for its history. Blacks are being thinned out of their cities by murder at rates probably higher than when Democrats were lynching black people to get rid of them.

It is a real mistake for commentators such as on FOX to assert that the Democratic Party would be troubled by the rapidly growing murder rate of blacks in Democratic Party run cities. Democratic politicians across the country are otherwise doing everything they can think of to get rid of poor black people from their cities.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Whoever said police officers should be allowed to "roam the halls of Justice with impugnity?" Where on earth liberals come up with such illogical, tragically Inept and sophmorically absurd conclusions?

I never said they roam the halls of Justice with "impugnity". I said " impunity". What I meant by that is, Republicans appear to think that law enforcement should be left to do their jobs as they see fit. Free from the shackles of lawful regulations and public opinion. Democrats, on the other hand, don't see that as a viable option. We believe police should be held accountable to the same laws they were hired to enforce. Democrats think there needs to be paths forward to easily removing bad vops. And, as it stands now, firing bad cops is exceedingly difficult, happening in only one half of one percent of the cases. Police are actually tasked with policing themselves. Which is about as logical as allowing the inmate's to run the prison. If you actually believe that police reform is not needed, just look at the unrest caused by Floyd's murder. Do you actually believe that's going to go away without addressing the police issue? Guess again.

 

[Tahuyaman]

I never said they roam the halls of Justice with "impugnity". ...

You said that some people believe that. Who have you seen say that?


Reform is not needed. What we need are less officers who ignore their th raining and abuse their authority. That's all.

 

[Tahuyaman]

Police officers resigning and it not being possible to fill vacancies is something the Democratic Party certainly has no reason to oppose for its history. Blacks are being thinned out of their cities by murder at rates probably higher than when Democrats were lynching black people to get rid of them.

It is a real mistake for commentators such as on FOX to assert that the Democratic Party would be troubled by the rapidly growing murder rate of blacks in Democratic Party run cities. Democratic politicians across the country are otherwise doing everything they can think of to get rid of poor black people from their cities.

Could it be called genocide when they are executing themselves?

 

[Crakhobarbie]

No rational person takes a job for which the requirement is having to instantaneously decide whether you will allow yourself to be murdered or being sent to prison. Merely being a police officer in uniform and doing absolutely nothing can result in being imprisoned for accessory to murder merely because you are a police officer.

No sane person would take or keep that job.

Doing nothing can result in being murdered or being sent to prison for anyone. Fortunately, one normally has to do something wrong to suffer the consequences of one actions. That's all democrats are asking. That law enforcement suffer the consequences of illegal actions they take. How Republicans can have a problem with that is beyond the boundaries of logic.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

You said that some people believe that. Who have you seen say that?


Reform is not needed. What we need are less officers who ignore their th raining and abuse their authority. That's all.

Nope. Reform is desperately needed. Do you not see all those protestors across the nation? You think they are going to go away without being appeased? First, officers need to be required to buy their own on duty insurance. As a taxpayer, I'm sick and tired of my tax dollars going to pay for officers negligence. Second, qualified immunity must end. Being personally responsible for ones actions is necessary for civilians, it should be required of law enforcement. Police managed before qualified immunity became law in 1967. They can manage now without it.

 

[joko104]

Doing nothing can result in being murdered or being sent to prison for anyone. Fortunately, one normally has to do something wrong to suffer the consequences of one actions. That's all democrats are asking. That law enforcement suffer the consequences of illegal actions they take. How Republicans can have a problem with that is beyond the boundaries of logic.

No one should have to accept a job under the conditions demanded by the Democratic Party - whether a police officer or any other job, The only possible exception might be the military, other than if the same standards the Democratic Party demands be on police be on military personnel, then no one should join or stay in the military either. No one should accept any job that requires the possibility of having to instantly decide between being murdered or imprisoned as a murderer. No job is worth that.

In my opinion, the police departments in all major Democratic Party run cities should be closed down. You Democrats should protect yourself - and under the same standards you require of police. Do citizens arrests instead.

Am I correct that you can not link to one message you've posted showing any concern for the rising murder rates of blacks in Democratic Party run cities? You could only post links to your messages attacking police.

 

[Tahuyaman]

Nope. Reform is desperately needed. Do you not see all those protestors across the nation? You think they are going to go away without being appeased? First, officers need to be required to buy their own on duty insurance. As a taxpayer, I'm sick and tired of my tax dollars going to pay for officers negligence. Second, qualified immunity must end. Being personally responsible for ones actions is necessary for civilians, it should be required of law enforcement. Police managed before qualified immunity became law in 1967. They can manage now without it.

Reforms are not needed. Reform isn't going to stop protests. What will stop protests is having cops who don't ignore their training and act inappropriately. You don't reforms to achieve that.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

No one should have to accept a job under the conditions demanded by the Democratic Party - whether a police officer or any other job, The only possible exception might be the military, other than if the same standards the Democratic Party demands be on police be on military personnel, then no one should join or stay in the military either. No one should accept any job that requires the possibility of having to instantly decide between being murdered or imprisoned as a murderer. No job is worth that.

In my opinion, the police departments in all major Democratic Party run cities should be closed down. You Democrats should protect yourself - and under the same standards you require of police. Do citizens arrests instead.

I've already pointed out the flaws in your opinion. I can't force Republicans to correct their flawed logic.

 

[justabubba]

Anecdotal evidence is indeed evidence. The fact is, police officers are retiring and leaving the job in droves in cities run by liberal Democrats. They aren't leaving because they are bad officers. They are leaving because they are not being supported by the leadership of these liberal cities.


Then these cities are having a difficult time attracting new officers. People don't want to work in a profession where they are basically at war with their leadership.

... Data shows that the raw numbers of police have declined over the past five years, and the rate of police officers per 1,000 residents has been dropping for two decades. At the same time, the violent crime rate has also dropped.
After at least 16 years of growing police agencies, the nation lost more than 23,000 officers from 2013 to 2016, according to a U.S. Justice Department survey, bringing the total down to about 700,000. Two-thirds of 397 law enforcement agencies reported in a December survey that they have seen a decrease in applicants compared to five years ago.
...
According to FBI data, in 1997 the national violent crime rate was 611.0 per 100,000 inhabitants. In 2016 the violent crime rate was 386.3 out of 100,000 inhabitants.
Fears of rising crime and shrinking officer counts have emerged as common concerns in cities across the nation from Dallas to Detroit to Memphis and elsewhere. Adding more cops to a violent city seems like an obvious fix, but there is conflicting research on the question of whether more cops drive down crime rates. ..."

More cops. Is it the answer to fighting crime?

Declining numbers of cops nationwide worry big city officials, but experts say there is little evidence that more cops equals less crime.

www.usatoday.com

above emphasis added by bubba to disprove thuyaman's allegation that the police problem is limited to communities run by democratic elected officials

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Reforms are not needed. Reform isn't going to stop protests. What will stop protests is having cops who don't ignore their training and act inappropriately. You don't reforms to achieve that.

Donald thought that reform wasn't needed as well. Donald wanted to fight those who protested police brutality, with more police brutality. It just seems so akwardly absurd to me that anyone in their right mind could of come to such a tragically Inept conclusion. Especially when that person was the POTUS.

 

[ecofarm]

Uh huh...no one wants to be a PO here...no one...my neighbor, who is PO, says he would quit in a heartbeat if he had another way to support his wife and 2 young kids...he feels like he puts his life on the line every day for no appreciation whatsoever...

Tell him to stop crying and do the job he's paid for. He makes cops look like wimps. If he's so scared then he can get another job that pays less and his little bastards will be fine. Tell him all that, thanks.

 

[joko104]

Tell him to stop crying and do the job he's paid for. He makes cops look like wimps. If he's so scared then he can get another job that pays less and his little bastards will be fine. Tell him all that, thanks.

No one would ever accuse you of hiding your pure hatred of police.

I agree with you that he should quit. All police in Democratic Party run cities should - no exceptions.

 

[joko104]

Actually, while I post that police in Democratic run cities should quit, actually as a union steward my advise is for them to expand their work slowdown, which is what happens. Rather than quitting, instead do next to nothing. Fill out reports. Make OTJ injury claims. Take as much time off as possible. Avoid any situation that might involve any conflict or potential arrests of any kind.

A work slowdown or stoppage is far more effective than a strike or quitting.

 

[Tahuyaman]

Donald thought that reform wasn't needed as well. Donald wanted to fight those who protested police brutality, with more police brutality. It just seems so akwardly absurd to me that anyone in their right mind could of come to such a tragically Inept conclusion. Especially when that person was the POTUS.

There we go. I’m no longer responding to you on this one

 

[Tahuyaman]

Tell him to stop crying and do the job he's paid for. He makes cops look like wimps. If he's so scared then he can get another job that pays less and his little bastards will be fine. Tell him all that, thanks.

Yeah. He could go into your line of work. Pizza delivery.

 

[ecofarm]

Yeah. He could go into your line of work. Pizza delivery.

If I delivered pizza, I wouldn't cry about it to my neighbors.

 

[Tahuyaman]

The number of people willing to be police offices has declined over the five years, but that decrease accelerated tremendously over the year.

 

[Tahuyaman]

If I delivered pizza, I wouldn't cry about it to my neighbors.

No one would care.

 

[Tahuyaman]

I just saw a senior advisor for Biden say that the problems with retaining and attracting quality police officers is the fault of Republicans. Lol.

 

[ecofarm]

No one would care.

What if I had 2 little kids and cried like a girl?