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Controversy over the AP history curriculum for the Common Core

ocean515 said:
So says you. The facts suggest otherwise, and were presented in their own words.

They provided a framework to be used to set standards, as the OP detailed. People are legitimately questioning the effort and the framework as it could apply to the standards the C3 would like to be set.
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Care to tell me what the specific concern is about the C3 and the AP Framework. TIA
 
Dittohead not! said:
According to Fox:



They forgot about Ben Franklin and MLK? That seems to be a pretty big gap.

Further:



WWII would seem to me a pretty important part of our history. How it could be addressed while ignoring the holocaust and the Nazis is difficult to understand.

What do you think?
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Years ago Jesse Jackson preached about the importance of equal-outcome education (vs. equal-opportunity education) which effectively ignores the fact that some kids are simply going to be better students than others for any number of reasons. It seems to me--and I'm no expert on common core--that this is simply Jesse Jackson's dream come true. All students are dumbed-down to the point that they don't know anything.
 
The Baron said:
Years ago Jesse Jackson preached about the importance of equal-outcome education (vs. equal-opportunity education) which effectively ignores the fact that some kids are simply going to be better students than others for any number of reasons. It seems to me--and I'm no expert on common core--that this is simply Jesse Jackson's dream come true. All students are dumbed-down to the point that they don't know anything.
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Then you don't really understand what is in common core.
 
sangha said:
The College Board's standards (the subject of this thread) are not common core
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Aha, there is the source of the confusion The thread is about AP history, not the curriculum that applies to the student body as a whole. You're right. Common core is something else.
 
sangha said:
The College Board's standards (the subject of this thread) are not common core
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It's because the concept of "national" mixed with education standards and curriculum has many people only thinking in terms of Common Core (while simultaneously failing to understand what Common Core is and is not). The politician wailing about the NCSS like it too was Common Core is but an example of the problem.
 
Also, the media that covers it confuses people. Shame on the media for getting it all wrong. Here is the title of the Fox story: Historic fail? Greatest Americans missing from proposed curriculum
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Also, the media that covers it confuses people. Shame on the media for getting it all wrong. Here is the title of the Fox story: Historic fail? Greatest Americans missing from proposed curriculum
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That too. The story in question relies almost exclusively on the open letter for information regarding the curriculum framework as well.
 
Fiddytree said:
That too. The story in question relies almost exclusively on the open letter for information regarding the curriculum framework as well.
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Yes, and that is why I feel it is so misleading. No lay person would be able to really understand what this article means. It allows the reader's mind to run wild.
 
Actually I read a book on it but as I did admit in my post, I am no expert. I'm only making an observation.
 
Dittohead not! said:
According to Fox:



They forgot about Ben Franklin and MLK? That seems to be a pretty big gap.

Further:



WWII would seem to me a pretty important part of our history. How it could be addressed while ignoring the holocaust and the Nazis is difficult to understand.

What do you think?
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I posted this in the education section. people came out of the wood work to try and write it off or defend it. i don't see how this is possible when these people are trying to re-write american history.
 
ludin said:
i don't see how this is possible when these people are trying to re-write american history.
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I did not see much evidence of that. About 20 years ago we went through the exact same arguments about the exact same supposed harm to student learning. This was nothing new, nor is it really dangerous instruction.
 
Dittohead not! said:
According to Fox:



They forgot about Ben Franklin and MLK? That seems to be a pretty big gap.

Further:



WWII would seem to me a pretty important part of our history. How it could be addressed while ignoring the holocaust and the Nazis is difficult to understand.

What do you think?
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It's Fox, so what I think is that they are hyping and panicking over another non-story with lies and innuendo.
 
ocean515 said:
I wonder what the purpose of the Department of Education is.
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I think it's so the president can claim to be the "education president." I think that started with Clinton, then was added on by Bush, and doubled down on by Obama.
 
ludin said:
I posted this in the education section. people came out of the wood work to try and write it off or defend it. i don't see how this is possible when these people are trying to re-write american history.
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I think by now it has been established that no one is rewriting American history. Check out the rest of the thread.
 
Dittohead not! said:
According to Fox:

They forgot about Ben Franklin and MLK? That seems to be a pretty big gap.

Further:

WWII would seem to me a pretty important part of our history. How it could be addressed while ignoring the holocaust and the Nazis is difficult to understand.

What do you think?
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I could understand delaying the holocaust to a more adult age such as when they are undegraduates (i.e., 18+). But removing WWII out of the picture completely seems a bit too far fetched.
 
These are for Advanced Placement students. I doubt a conservative will ever set foot in such a class or have children qualified for such courses.
 
DDD said:
I could understand delaying the holocaust to a more adult age such as when they are undegraduates (i.e., 18+).
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That wouldn't be understandable, considering two phenomenon:

1) Drop-out age

2) Graduates who do not pursue traditional collegiate post-secondary education

The Holocaust has (rightly) become a civic-moral imperative in the post-'45 era. While I think it is bad to not include it in the framework (if not because it significantly impacted U.S. foreign policy as a result, then because of the moral cause), I hardly think we are in danger of AP students not being exposed to it. It's become far too embedded in American course material and public conversation to become a non-presence in social studies classrooms for high school students to believe it would thus be removed.
 
Fiddytree said:
That wouldn't be understandable, considering two phenomenon:

1) Drop-out age

2) Graduates who do not pursue traditional collegiate post-secondary education

The Holocaust has (rightly) become a civic-moral imperative in the post-'45 era. While I think it is bad to not include it in the framework (if not because it significantly impacted U.S. foreign policy as a result, then because of the moral cause), I hardly think we are in danger of AP students not being exposed to it. It's become far too embedded in American course material and public conversation to become a non-presence in social studies classrooms for high school students to believe it would thus be removed.
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They are teenagers at that age, they may not take holocaust as easily as we can?
 
DDD said:
They are teenagers at that age, they may not take holocaust as easily as we can?
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Elementary school students are exposed to it (in vague terms). The duration, the examples, and the mediums by which it is taught becomes more intense with age (and one can certainly opt out if shown graphic materials), but the intent is certainly present.
 
Fiddytree said:
Elementary school students are exposed to it (in vague terms). The duration, the examples, and the mediums by which it is taught becomes more intense with age (and one can certainly opt out if shown graphic materials), but the intent is certainly present.
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If so, then why not include the war that occurred in Dardania, the heroic leaders, and everything in it. You could then include the war crimes that occurred in Dardania during 1999 also?
 
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