Conservatives sounding more and more desperate.

[Dittohead not!]

What are you smoking?

Do you want to discuss Economic and Monetary Policy? I'd be happy to, though I'm fairly certain you know nothing of these matters.

When Reagan cut the top marginal rates from 70% to 28% revenue to the Treasury doubled, GDP growth peaked at more than 8%, and millions of jobs were created. In the same month of Reagan's third year compared to Obama's, a million jobs were created under Reagan in one month, ZERO were created under Obama

Obama = 6 trillion spent with the result being 19% Real Unemployment

Obama's Stimulus = disaster

GDP growth was just revised DOWN - Revised Q2 GDP - Business Insider

Durable Goods DOWN 13.2% - Durable goods drop worst since recession | Reuters

Taxpayers spent $1.4 billion on Obama family last year | The Daily Caller

Obama Voter Says Vote for Obama because he gives a free Phone - YouTube

All I keep seeing in this thread is a lot of projection from a bunch of desperate liberals who are unable to defend Obama's massive failures

Then, the top marginal rate was decreased further during the Bush Administration, and that decrease continued under the Obama administration. Moreover, taxes were further cut as a part of the stimulus package.

We should be in boom times unprecedented in history just now, if, that is, cutting taxes leads to economic growth.

 

[Bronson]

Huh? He kept the lowered rates in place...and added a payroll tax reduction.

What are you ......er....."smoking"?

Obama has massively raised taxes on the poor and middle class

The Associated Press: Tax penalty to hit nearly 6M uninsured people

WSJ Chief Economist: 75% of Obamacare Costs Will Fall on Backs of Those Making $120K or Less - YouTube

CBO: Obamacare mandate will cost 6 million taxpayers $7 billion in 2016 | WashingtonExaminer.com

Among those who will have to pay a mandate penalty, 4.7 million will have incomes below 500 percent of the federal poverty line, according to the CBO, which is projected to be $60,000 for individuals and $123,000 for families of four by 2016. Given that the Supreme Court ruled the mandate was a tax, this would be a direct violation of President Obama’s pledge not to raise taxes on those earning less than $250,000.

 

[Bronson]

Then, the top marginal rate was decreased further during the Bush Administration, and that decrease continued under the Obama administration. Moreover, taxes were further cut as a part of the stimulus package.

We should be in boom times unprecedented in history just now, if, that is, cutting taxes leads to economic growth.

Revenues to the Treasury actually increased significantly after Bush cut tax rates. Historically the data is irrefutable.

Obama didn't cut any rates. He's borrowed and spent trillions (Opportunity Costs incalculable) and rammed Obamacare down our throats which is directly responsible for the deplorable state of the Economy

The only desperate people in this thread are Obama Supporters who are ignorant of the facts

 

[Hairytic]

All of this is good news for Obama and explains why the GOP is sounding more and more desperate all the time.

The economy is poised to improve with little effort from the government. Had government provided infrastructure spending, we would already have a much lower unemployment rating. I think the GOP know this and they want to be able to claim they are the ones who improved the economy. Now, they are losing that opportunity and it is freaking them out. They are also seeing there is a chance they will lose the House. If that happens, Polosi will get spending bills passed that will create jobs and will dramataclly improve the economy in a short period of time. I know my husband has been watching an up-tick in corporate chains spending more money in remodeling and revamping their stores. He has been getting more work from these chains than he can handle in the last few months. BTW, my husband runs a handyman service. These companies have been offering him twice what he usually charges to rush the work through. That along with the stock market looking stronger and many other indications shows that the economy is starting an upswing. My husband recently had to hire two more workers to keep up with demand. In two years, he hasn't seen this level of upturn on demand.

 

[Conservative]

More proof that conservatives are getting desperate.

more clues that Obama supporters don't have a clue

Obama Voter Says Vote for Obama because he gives a free Phone - YouTube

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Obama has massively raised taxes on the poor and middle class

The Associated Press: Tax penalty to hit nearly 6M uninsured people

WSJ Chief Economist: 75% of Obamacare Costs Will Fall on Backs of Those Making $120K or Less - YouTube

CBO: Obamacare mandate will cost 6 million taxpayers $7 billion in 2016 | WashingtonExaminer.com

Um, those "estimates" for the ACA might be on some small fraction of those without jobs, who will not get subsidies and do not have their own insurance.....in the future....maybe.

Here I thought you were talking about tax increases in real terms.

It is just like your corporate tax claims, not real.

 

[Conservative]

The economy is poised to improve with little effort from the government. Had government provided infrastructure spending, we would already have a much lower unemployment rating. I think the GOP know this and they want to be able to claim they are the ones who improved the economy. Now, they are losing that opportunity and it is freaking them out. They are also seeing there is a chance they will lose the House. If that happens, Polosi will get spending bills passed that will create jobs and will dramataclly improve the economy in a short period of time. I know my husband has been watching an up-tick in corporate chains spending more money in remodeling and revamping their stores. He has been getting more work from these chains than he can handle in the last few months. BTW, my husband runs a handyman service. These companies have been offering him twice what he usually charges to rush the work through. That along with the stock market looking stronger and many other indications shows that the economy is starting an upswing. My husband recently had to hire two more workers to keep up with demand. In two years, he hasn't seen this level of upturn on demand.

Poised to improve? You think 1.3% GDP growth for 2012 is an improving economy?

 

[Born Free]

All of this is good news for Obama and explains why the GOP is sounding more and more desperate all the time.

You throw 6 trillion of borrowed money at a problem you would expect to get something for it, would you not? But now tell me what generation is going to have to pay back this 16 trillion debt and growing by over 1.25 trillion a yr under Obama.

I always laugh at liberals when they boost about some little part of the economy is growing but you never mention the cost. Why is that?

 

[Bronson]

Changing the topic (marginal to corporate) and being disingenuous, effective corporate rates match the top industrial states.

Changing the topic? The US has the highest Corporate Tax Rate in the world.

What part of that do you not understand? Secondly, in case you missed it:

New Poll: 55% Of Small Biz Owners Would Not Start Companies Today--69% Say Regulation Has Harmed Their Businesses - Forbes

 

[Dittohead not!]

Revenues to the Treasury actually increased significantly after Bush cut tax rates. Historically the data is irrefutable.

and the deficit quickly hit nearly half a trillion, then increased to a trillion when the recession struck. That is historic fact also.

Obama didn't cut any rates.

That is simply not true. He's a tax cutter and spending increaser just like his predecessor was.

He's borrowed and spent trillions (Opportunity Costs incalculable) and rammed Obamacare down our throats which is directly responsible for the deplorable state of the Economy

He, or more accurately, his congress, has continued the policy of borrow and spend, and even increased it, that's a fact. Obamacare hasn't cost us anything yet, however.

The only desperate people in this thread are Obama Supporters who are ignorant of the facts

No, the self described "conservatives" are equally desperate.

 

[Bronson]

Um, those "estimates" for the ACA might be on some small fraction of those without jobs, who will not get subsidies and do not have their own insurance.....in the future....maybe.

Here I thought you were talking about tax increases in real terms.

It is just like your corporate tax claims, not real.

You don't even understand fundamentally what you are trying to defend. You have no cohesive argument.

When you are ready to have a real debate where you actually use facts and logic to refute statistics, let me know.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Changing the topic?

yes, you changed what the topic was from top marginal to corp rates....you needed me to repeat that?

The US has the highest Corporate Tax Rate in the world.

And now here is the guy who was castigating some for not understanding econ, yet you stake your claim on statutory levels....not effective.

What part of that do you not understand? Secondly, in case you missed it:

New Poll: 55% Of Small Biz Owners Would Not Start Companies Today--69% Say Regulation Has Harmed Their Businesses - Forbes

Ah, and now you shift to "regulations". Hint: the biggest reason new start-ups are not happening......is because...of low demand.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

You don't even understand fundamentally what you are trying to defend. You have no cohesive argument.

When you are ready to have a real debate where you actually use facts and logic to refute statistics, let me know.

You claimed this was a tax increase upon the low and middle class....whereas it is a penalty upon a small sector of the population that can afford health insurance but choose not to purchase.

You had no point....at all...and your claim has no standing.

 

[Bronson]

and the deficit quickly hit nearly half a trillion, then increased to a trillion when the recession struck. That is historic fact also.

Huh?

The last Republican Budget under Bush had a deficit which was cut from 400B - 169B. Still a deficit, but nowhere near the trillion+ we've been seeing every year under Obama.

The last 2 budgets under Bush were with a Pelosi led Congress whose spending was out of control. Obama has been illegally spending at TARP levels since his election, which was supposed to be a one time expenditure, yet here you are, with these vague "Bush's fault" emotional platitudes. How embarrassing.

That is simply not true. He's a tax cutter and spending increaser just like his predecessor was.

In the real world, just because you make statements doesn't mean they are true

He, or more accurately, his congress, has continued the policy of borrow and spend, and even increased it, that's a fact. Obamacare hasn't cost us anything yet, however.

This you in this video? Obama Voter Says Vote for Obama because he gives a free Phone - YouTube

No, the self described "conservatives" are equally desperate.

Laughable projection

 

[Bronson]

You claimed this was a tax increase upon the low and middle class....whereas it is a penalty upon a small sector of the population that can afford health insurance but choose not to purchase.

You had no point....at all...and your claim has no standing.

It is a massive tax increase on the poor and middle class. not only that, but it has tripled in cost projections since it was initially rammed down our throats against our will.

The Supreme Court has stated when Obama forces you to buy Health Insurance, it's a tax

Anything else I need to clear up for you?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

spending at TARP levels

Is that an macro-econ term?

 

[Bronson]

yes, you changed what the topic was from top marginal to corp rates....you needed me to repeat that?

Do you understand how taxes work? I'm almost embarrassed for you watching you beclown yourself.

And now here is the guy who was castigating some for not understanding econ, yet you stake your claim on statutory levels....not effective.

Ah, and now you shift to "regulations". Hint: the biggest reason new start-ups are not happening......is because...of low demand.

DUFFY: Dodd-Frank: One year later - Washington Times

Why don't you explain to everyone in detail what Obama's plans are the next 4 years to get this Economy growing again and businesses hiring again

Tell us all what Obama's PLAN is please

 

[Bronson]

You want to see what "desperate" looks like?

Fed Virtually Funding the Entire US Deficit: Lindsey - US Business News - CNBC

 

[Gimmesometruth]

It is a massive tax increase on the poor and middle class. not only that, but it has tripled in cost projections since it was initially rammed down our throats against our will.

See, I show you how it works...and you still keep making the same error. Those who have low levels of income and cannot afford HCI will receive subsidization. So no "massive tax increase" on them....at all. Anyone else will have the choice to purchase HCI... or pay a PENALTY.

The Supreme Court has stated when Obama forces you to buy Health Insurance, it's a tax

Anything else I need to clear up for you?

It isn't me that still can't understand who will pay the penalty. And when someone claims something about "tax increases", they ought to be able to show that it applies to most income groups....not some tiny sliver of the population spread out over multiple quintiles.

 

[Hairytic]

Poised to improve? You think 1.3% GDP growth for 2012 is an improving economy?

I know that you can't look at one factor to be able to predict future economic growth. You would learn that in economics 101.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Do you understand how taxes work? I'm almost embarrassed for you watching you beclown yourself.

Apparently, individual and corporate mean nothing to you....along with staying within context.

DUFFY: Dodd-Frank: One year later - Washington Times

Why don't you explain to everyone in detail what Obama's plans are the next 4 years to get this Economy growing again and businesses hiring again

Tell us all what Obama's PLAN is please

Thanks again for proving what I just said.

And you still show no sign of differentiating effective from statutory.

 

[Conservative]

I know that you can't look at one factor to be able to predict future economic growth. You would learn that in economics 101.

So if economic growth, unemployment, debt, economic conditions don't predict future economic growth, what does? What economic policies have Obama proposed to generate better results the next four years than the results of the last four?

 

[AdamT]

Huh?

The last Republican Budget under Bush had a deficit which was cut from 400B - 169B. Still a deficit, but nowhere near the trillion+ we've been seeing every year under Obama.

Uh, that is dead wrong. Obama inherited a $1.2 trillion deficit -- that's baked-in spending -- before he could spend a dime on his own priorities.

 

[lpast]

They would benefit from a little focus. When you attack someone from every angle possible, to the neutral observer it all becomes a giant over-exaggerated mash of ridiculousness, and then even valid criticisms end up getting dismissed as just the rabid partisans yapping again.

You hit it right on the noggin...and the Gop Primary the most ridiculous primary in the history of modern man ended the GOPs ability to gain any trust...Just look at the lineup of nutjobs they had calling Obama everything from The Antichrist to hitler, to a terrorist and everything else...

 

[Conservative]

Apparently, individual and corporate mean nothing to you....along with staying within context.



Thanks again for proving what I just said.

And you still show no sign of differentiating effective from statutory.

Noticed that you continue to run from the question I asked so one more time, do you support the direction Obama is taking this country and thus his economic results?