Conneticut Shooting will be a Bad One

[blaxshep]

If there is no beneficial purpose to responsible gun owners, banning them will create no hardship. Good point!

Not at all what I said.

I fail to see what you anti-gun people think you can accomplish.

No matter what law you pass I will always have guns, the only thing you will accomplish is disarming yourselves.

 

[Catawba]

Not at all what I said.

I fail to see what you anti-gun people think you can accomplish.

No matter what law you pass I will always have guns, the only thing you will accomplish is disarming yourselves.

Its not about you, or your slight inconvenience in purchasing a gun. Its about reducing the number of innocent people slaughtered.

 

[Saboteur]

Don't worry you scaredy-cats (it's the best I can do when I know you whiners will go straight to a mod if I call you what I want to :roll no one is going to take your guns away. There are far too many to ever recover it's that plain and simple. We're just going to have to keep sending our children to school and hope that one of you 'responsible' gun owners or your 'responsible' gun owner kids doesn't go off the deep end and shoot up another school or another mall or another movie theater... again and again and again and then again.

 

[Caine]

Its not about you, or your slight inconvenience in purchasing a gun. Its about reducing the number of innocent people slaughtered.

And yet there is no proof a delayed waiting period for getting a gun is going to reduce the amount of people slaughtered?


How many of these recent shootings were done with guns that were purchased the same day or day prior??????

 

[Spartacus FPV]

And yet there is no proof a delayed waiting period for getting a gun is going to reduce the amount of people slaughtered?

How many of these recent shootings were done with guns that were purchased the same day or day prior??????

Aww but I'm angry now!

 

[duhu]

School shootings are rare, not much of a problem. Just a few years ago in 2010, we had the lowest school-associated deaths in over 20 years. Schools are actually some of the safest places for children to be at.

 

[Thrilla]

"The ban on large-capacity magazines that was part of the 1994 law was due in part to a deadly 1993 shooting on the Long Island Railroad, in which a shooter used 15-round magazines and was stopped when he paused to reload."
New Calls for Gun Limits - WSJ.com

yes, I remember the case..... they rushed the guy after he fired off 2 magazines and had to stop to reload his mag with the loose rounds he brought on board the train.

it's a a bad thing he slowly and methodically got off 2 magazines of rounds ( 30 total)and killed a bunch of folks ... it's a good thing he was too stupid to bring additional loaded magazines instead of loose rounds.
were all of his rounds loaded in magazines... no matter what capacity.... he would have been able to get off all 160 rounds he brought with him ( barring a malfunction)


in any event.. you are advocating for the reinstatement of a proven failure of a policy... you must be so proud.

 

[Thrilla]

Don't worry you scaredy-cats (it's the best I can do when I know you whiners will go straight to a mod if I call you what I want to :roll no one is going to take your guns away. There are far too many to ever recover it's that plain and simple. We're just going to have to keep sending our children to school and hope that one of you 'responsible' gun owners or your 'responsible' gun owner kids doesn't go off the deep end and shoot up another school or another mall or another movie theater... again and again and again and then again.

I was never worried or scared that they'll take my guns away... it's not my civic/natural/constitutional rights that are in jeopardy.. it's the next generation, and the next and the next....you liberals seem to be quite dedicated to rights denials.

 

[haymarket]

Sure we can. It may not be easy, but try to eliminate emotion. Embrace logic. Which would you prefer: an Oncologist saying he "feels" you have a brain tumor and operating, or using logic and getting MRIs, CT scan, etc. then diagnosing it?

You are asking people not to be what makes us human and that is ridiculous.

 

[Catawba]

And yet there is no proof a delayed waiting period for getting a gun is going to reduce the amount of people slaughtered?


How many of these recent shootings were done with guns that were purchased the same day or day prior??????

If it saves only one life, it is worth it.

 

[Thrilla]

You are asking people not to be what makes us human and that is ridiculous.

emotions are what makes us human?

 

[Catawba]

yes, I remember the case..... they rushed the guy after he fired off 2 magazines and had to stop to reload his mag with the loose rounds he brought on board the train.

it's a a bad thing he slowly and methodically got off 2 magazines of rounds ( 30 total)and killed a bunch of folks ... it's a good thing he was too stupid to bring additional loaded magazines instead of loose rounds.
were all of his rounds loaded in magazines... no matter what capacity.... he would have been able to get off all 160 rounds he brought with him ( barring a malfunction)


in any event.. you are advocating for the reinstatement of a proven failure of a policy... you must be so proud.

What policy failed?

 

[Caine]

If it saves only one life, it is worth it.

So no good examples..... Thanks.

 

[Thrilla]

If it saves only one life, it is worth it.

:lol:...I haven't heard that stupid ass saying for quite some time.

nobody actually believes it... never have, never will.


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[Thrilla]

What policy failed?

hi-cap mag ban... assault weapon ban

they are frauds and failures.

they do succeed in making hoplophobes and authoritarians feel better about themselves though... there's always that.

 

[Catawba]

hi-cap mag ban... assault weapon ban

they are frauds and failures.

they do succeed in making hoplophobes and authoritarians feel better about themselves though... there's always that.

So you have no proof. Its not about "hoplophobes and authoritarians" feeling better, its about half the country wanting stricter gun/ammo restrictions to reduce the number of innocent people slaughtered.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

So you have no proof. Its not about "hoplophobes and authoritarians" feeling better, its about half the country wanting stricter gun/ammo restrictions to reduce the number of innocent people slaughtered.

Which will not accomplish their intention, which the other half knows.

If it saves only one life, it is worth it.

Then I guess the war for our freedom wasn't worth the cost in lives. :roll:

If anything, disarming citizens against criminals with laws the criminals will not obey will COST lives.

 

[Moot]

If you do not deny that gun ownership is increasing, The national decline in violent crimes and murders is made up of far more than just New York City. DC is finally under 100 murders a year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/24crime.html?_r=0

Crime in cities: America

Sure some cities juke the stats a little, especially during an election year, but are you seriously are you under the impression that violent crime is on the rise?

Beware of national crime rate data. Crime experts are baffled and can't explain the current drop in crime, especially during a recession when crime/homicides usually go up.

"Crime rates are directly correlated to how often they’re reported. It’s possible that a decrease in reported crimes is contributing to the decrease in crime rates. [Because of the recession many police departments all across the country are underfunded.]

Some experts believe crime rates stem from data-focused police work. Law enforcement agencies may be skewing the data they submit to the FBI to pad their numbers and appear successful during tough economic times. While the FBI’s nationwide report is comprised of statistics from various agencies, it has no control over what those agencies report. The FBI even has a disclaimer on its Uniform Crime Report saying the data may be inaccurate...."

I don't think I said that violent crime was on the rise or going down....but I did say that mass murder was on the rise. Obviously, that data would be difficult for police agencies to skew.


http://www.loyolaphoenix.com/18201bf6-53b8-5da6-b7b6-c4d66dcf08c9

Quite, its the standard capacity magazine for AR's and AK's and when you pay by the hour for range time, wasting time reloading 10 round mags over and over again can be costly ontop of being a constant interruption of the sporting fun

You just don't get it do you? Why is your inconvience at the gun range more important than saving lives? WTF is wrong with you conservatives? Are you all suffering from Asperger syndrome, too? God help us.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Beware of national crime rate data. Crime experts are baffled and can't explain the current drop in crime, especially during a recession when crime/homicides usually go up.

Crime rates are directly correlated to how often they’re reported. It’s possible that a decrease in reported crimes is contributing to the decrease in crime rates. [Because of the recession many police departments all across the country are underfunded.]

Some experts believe crime rates stem from data-focused police work. Law enforcement agencies may be skewing the data they submit to the FBI to pad their numbers and appear successful during tough economic times. While the FBI’s nationwide report is comprised of statistics from various agencies, it has no control over what those agencies report. The FBI even has a disclaimer on its Uniform Crime Report saying the data may be inaccurate.

I already acknowledged the juking of stats by law enforcement in the post you quoted.

I don't think I said that violent crime was on the rise or going down....but I did say that mass murder was on the rise. Obviously, that data would be difficult for police agencies to skew.

Short term (past 4 years) maybe a slight blip upwards, but overall for the past 3 decades it is certainly on the decline. The further you look back, the worse it gets peaking during the Volstead Act prohibition era.

 

[haymarket]

emotions are what makes us human?

Certainly one part of it. To deny that is to deny your humanity.

 

[Catawba]

Which will not accomplish their intention, which the other half knows.



Then I guess the war for our freedom wasn't worth the cost in lives. :roll:

If anything, disarming citizens against criminals with laws the criminals will not obey will COST lives.

What freedoms by law abiding citizens that are not criminals or mentally unstable are infringed by banning high capacity magazines, a 3 day waiting period in all states, and a background check for criminal history and mental instability.

 

[Moot]

I already acknowledged the juking of stats by law enforcement in the post you quoted.



Short term (past 4 years) maybe a slight blip upwards, but overall for the past 3 decades it is certainly on the decline. The further you look back, the worse it gets peaking during the Volstead Act prohibition era.

Nnnnno. Mass murder has been on the rise ever since Reagan defunded mental health institutions...averaging two a year compared to two(?) during the entire 80 years prior.

 

[Thrilla]

So you have no proof. Its not about "hoplophobes and authoritarians" feeling better, its about half the country wanting stricter gun/ammo restrictions to reduce the number of innocent people slaughtered.

their is ample proof.... we already tried your idiot bans for 10 years..... they failed.... they failed because the people who designed it are utterly stupid and know less about guns than my dog.

i'm not susceptible to appeals of popularity dude... If half the country wants it, then half the country is simply advocating for enacting the wrong solutions... which is not a rare thing.

the bans had no measurable effect on gun crime..... study after study showed this.... .except for a single study that showed beneficial effects
that one study was done by the Brady bunch... the same group of whiny idiots who can't tell you the difference between a mag or a clip.. a sporting rifle and an assault rifle.
the same idiots who declared thumbholes in stocks to be ban-worthy.... the same idiot who think one magazine with 15 rounds is more evil than 2 magazines with 10 rounds.
the same morons who think bayonets lugs transforms an otherwise virtuous rifle into a mass murdering death machine.


not a goddman thing you people have done has reduced the number of people being slaughtered... your entire idiot platform is a proven failure.
and the really special thing about the anti-gun imbeciles?... they want to try it again, thinking doing the same thing will have different results.

derp derp, ... the idiocy never stops.


and yes, the only thing that happened was that you control freaks and hoplophobes felt better about yourself.... nothing less, nothing more.

while you people keep repeating policies and ideas that do not help save lives, more lives are being taken.... you are wasting valuable time by clogging up the system with the same old failed policies.
instead of working with the millions of gun owners out there to come up with real solutions to the real problems, you anti-gun nuts go right on the attack.. you come right after law abiding citizens and attempt to make them criminals... and wonder why you face stiff opposition.

 

[Thrilla]

Certainly one part of it. To deny that is to deny your humanity.

i think the capacity and utilization of logic differentiates us more from other species than emotions.... but meh, whatever...both are necessary.

decisions based on emotions are notoriously poor... logic has a better track record.

 

[Thrilla]

Nnnnno. Mass murder has been on the rise ever since Reagan defunded mental health institutions...averaging two a year compared to two(?) during the entire 80 years prior.

where did you come by that information?