Congress Is Paying People a Lot of Money To Not Work

[SCrider]

The failure of the doomsaying experts pretty much proves the lockdown was unnecessary, the whole thing is a social engineering scam.

Holly ****, this is gold!!!

 

[Ginger Ale]

Holly ****, this is gold!!!

That kind of statement just keeps on giving......to Biden. LMAO!

 

[What if...?]

I would have the total 'fed + state package' tied to the recipient's regular wages. Like I said above, maybe around 70-80%?

Iirc, some European countries are doing 70% replacement for those in industries like mine, live entertainment.

We're down til late next year or early 2022, for conventions, concerts etc, per our employers.

This could change if we get an effective vaccine/treatment.

But we are millions of workers. The AV folks like me. The banquet folks. The folks who set up the chairs. The guys who make and set up the convention booths. The folks who clean the buildings. Security guards. All the restaurant and bar employees whose employers depend on convention/concert goers for their income.

There aren't enough jobs available for the economy to absorb us.

 

[Chomsky]

Iirc, some European countries are doing 70% replacement for those in industries like mine, live entertainment.

We're down til late next year or early 2022, for conventions, concerts etc, per our employers.

This could change if we get an effective vaccine/treatment.

But we are millions of workers. The AV folks like me. The banquet folks. The folks who set up the chairs. The guys who make and set up the convention booths. The folks who clean the buildings. Security guards. All the restaurant and bar employees whose employers depend on convention/concert goers for their income.

There aren't enough jobs available for the economy to absorb us.

Well it probably helps little, but some other industries are also getting hit just as bad. Cruises and airlines, for example.

While I can't comment on your industry, I believe we are going to see some semi-permanent changes, and a hastening of the adoption of some technologies & norms. For example, tele-education, tele-commuting, video-conference meetings, etc. Some of these changes will be good.

 

[danielpalos]

Congress could be raising the minimum wage while consider tax breaks for business. Labor needs to be able to afford our first world economy. Tax breaks and credits for business can help with the transition.

 

[PoS]

Canada is also struggling with the issue of livable wages. :shrug:

Ah ok, I thought you were propagandizing Canada again. My bad.

Quick maffs, that's 0.2% of our population. What's your definition of "many", there, bud?

Oh everyone knows that there are only about a million Canucks in Canuckistan, the rest of your citizens are moose, beavers, and squirrels.

Clarification: State unemployment compensation is paid to everyone who meet the requirements of that state's unemployment compensation laws. No state that I'm aware of pays unemployment compensation to people who turn down valid employment opportunities.

And oh by the way, an IGM survey of economists -- this one, of quantitative macroeconomic economists -- finds that they generally believe best thing for economy would be to continue or *increase* the $600 federal UI top-up.

Are you kidding me? Where is the money gonna come from? Do you know how deep we are in debt?

The question is why you believe "gobbledygook" from the Reason author, but demand actual evidence to counter his claims based entirely on "gobbledygook?"

Because he writes articles, and you dont. Why should anyone believe you?

Yes, and I'm making the simple assumption that if government responses can lower predicted deaths in the UK by 90% or more (that's what the STUDY showed) that the number of deaths in the U.S. is also highly dependent on our response to the virus. Is there some reason why you believe that school closings, social distancing, case isolation will work in the UK but not in the U.S.? And what response did Ferguson assume, in mid March, when he predicted a million US deaths? If you don't know that, the 1 million number is useless, worthless, irrelevant, which is why no one not a complete moron would use that off the cuff out of context prediction in an opinion piece in the NYT to make any decision about our response to COVID. What they might do is use the study, which I have quoted from and you ignore.

Bla bla bla. More excuses, and you have once again failed to refute the number Ferguson gave that has been proven wrong. Why do you keep chickening out?

Despite your claim above, and to a lessor extent the author's hypothesis, the article was devoid of any factual evidence by the restaurant owners to back-up your claims. This doesn't even speak to all those for whom the 600 bucks a weeks is less than their regular salary and deficient in meeting their regular bills.

Like I said, I find the article title deceiving.

Now, is there an argument to make for not paying individuals more to stay home than to work? You betcha'. And, I'll be happy to make it! But, "Congress is paying a lot money to people to not work", is a hyperbolic exaggerative statement.

No on can legally receive a qualified job offer and remain on unemployment benefits. If some are, prosecute them and/or tweak the system. (I'd cap bennies at a percentage of the recipient's regular wages - maybe 70-80%?)

As long as these covid checks come in through the mail, you can bet your butt that people will stay home and collect the cash instead of going out to work. Thats human nature, and it seems you are unaware of such a basic, common sense.

Oh, crap, I almost started a real discussion. Glad you posted this nutty stuff early on in the thread.

Do you know why we have to lock it down and will probably have to again in some states? Because Trump nuts won't wear a mask and social distance. So, I guess it's Trump and his nuts that are continuing this great scam.

Connecticut, Vermont, Maine, Massachusetts, all mandated masks early, all have little to no cases, none will have to lockdown again. On the contrary, Trump nut states like Florida, Texas, Arizona, all fought mandates, all will probably have to lockdown again.

If everyone practiced PPE we could cut cases by 90% and have no lockdowns. Lockdowns are for the freedom fighters who won't wear a mask and party like it's 1999 because most Americans will abide to save another American.

Stupid!!

"But, but, but Truump!"

Another idiotic strawman.

 

[JasperL]

Because he writes articles, and you dont. Why should anyone believe you?

But there's no evidence employers as a group are having trouble attracting workers, or that it is slowing the recovery. The guy who wrote an article's evidence is "reportedly" - that's it. It's not evidence.

As long as these covid checks come in through the mail, you can bet your butt that people will stay home and collect the cash instead of going out to work. Thats human nature, and it seems you are unaware of such a basic, common sense.

Sounds good - where's the evidence that's impacting the recovery in a negative way?

 

[danielpalos]

There is no unemployment under Capitalism, only underpayment!

 

[digitusmedius]

This OP falls into the category of "No **** Sherlock" (as do all the other OP by this OPer):


Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 - Wikipedia

 

[danielpalos]

Congress should be raising the minimum wage not reducing benefits for unemployment. Landlords have obligations too.

 

[digitusmedius]

"But, but, but Truump!"

Another idiotic strawman.

Rich coming from the author of this beyond idiotic thread.

 

[Napoleon]

Sounds good - where's the evidence that's impacting the recovery in a negative way?

$600 is not a random number. It translates into the progressive universal standard of a living wage of $15 per hour in full time hourly earnings. This is on top of State benefits. So, Ohio’s unemployment benefit is capped at $480 per week and this is currently being supplemented with the additional $600 per week via the CARES Act. All told that’s up to $1,080 per week or $27 per hour broken down into full time hourly earnings.

I would support the Federal government stepping in to ensure that the unemployment benefit is a living wage of $15 per hour, but I don’t agree that people should be given almost double the living wage or $12 per hour in expendable income. The role of this program should be to sustain you until you find work not to provide additional expendable income. That does disincentivize people from returning to work and it’s been a problem since at least May.

 

[danielpalos]

$600 is not a random number. It translates into the progressive universal standard of a living wage of $15 per hour in full time hourly earnings. This is on top of State benefits. So, Ohio’s unemployment benefit is capped at $480 per week and this is currently being supplemented with the additional $600 per week via the CARES Act. All told that’s up to $1,080 per week or $27 per hour broken down into full time hourly earnings.

I would support the Federal government stepping in to ensure that the unemployment benefit is a living wage of $15 per hour, but I don’t agree that people should be given almost double the living wage or $12 per hour in expendable income. The role of this program should be to sustain you until you find work not to provide additional expendable income. That does disincentivize people from returning to work and it’s been a problem since at least May.

Now is the best time to raise the minimum wage since tax credits can help business with this issue as well.

Right wingers insisting on reducing benefits does not promote the general welfare.

 

[dairyair]

Congress Is Paying People a Lot of Money To Not Work – Reason.com





With the unemployment subsidies, its now better for restaurant workers not to work. Consequently this will pretty much lead to either the destruction of the restaurant industry and small business (which was the cornerstone of our economy), or it means even more government overreach by adopting price controls and more subsidies that enable restaurants and small business to somehow stay profitable.

So either way it will bring more socialism, and the transformation of the American economy into a 3rd World model.

If one refuses work while on UE, they are suppose to lose UE benefits.

 

[dairyair]

One of America's biggest problems right now is ignorance in Congress when it comes to fiscal issues, particularly among spending-crazy democrats. If republicans recommend a trillion dollars in relief stimulus, the democrats want $3 trillion. If fiscally responsible advisors recommend not spending money on universal healthcare or global warming the democrats and liberals call them ignorant and evil and want them fired.

If we ask some elected leaders how they propose we pay back our debt they laugh in our faces because they think we must be stupid if we think we will ever have to back back our debts.

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You are aware, maybe, that 2/3rd of the current gov't is R's?
They pushed for and passed $3T of free money. So you are correct about congress and add the pres, but wrong about it being one party.

One party is tax and spend.
One party is deficit and spend.

Can you figure out which is which?

 

[danielpalos]

If one refuses work while on UE, they are suppose to lose UE benefits.

Why is that? Employment is supposed to be at the will either party. Why is Labor as the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism being denied and disparaged in their privileges and immunities?

 

[dairyair]

Trump and the GOP had the house, the senate and presidency for the first two years. What fiscally responsible legislation did they pass?

They did what R's always do.
Cut taxes, increase spending, create a large deficit, and increase the debt.

 

[dairyair]

Does it make any sense at all to pay a laid off 'non-essential' restaurant/bar "worker" more than a currently employed 'essential' grocery store worker?

It does not.
So, why are essential grocery store workers so underpaid?

 

[danielpalos]

It does not.
So, why are essential grocery store workers so underpaid?

Landlords have obligations too. Now is the best time to raise the minimum wage since business can get tax breaks for it. And, higher paid labor creates more in demand and pays more in taxes.

 

[Napoleon]

Now is the best time to raise the minimum wage since tax credits can help business with this issue as well.

Right wingers insisting on reducing benefits does not promote the general welfare.

No one is entitled to my labor as a source of expendable income. Society’s only obligation is to help the applicant survive long enough to find another job. Anything beyond that is your responsibility.

 

[dairyair]

Why is that? Employment is supposed to be at the will either party. Why is Labor as the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism being denied and disparaged in their privileges and immunities?

Employers pay the UE tax to their state.
The more UE they have the higher their rate.

So if they can hire back an unemployed employee, they get to reduce the rates they pay. And refusal to work is an incentive to not stay off the clock.

I don't know if every state operates the same way.

 

[danielpalos]

No one is entitled to my labor as a source of expendable income. Society’s only obligation is to help the applicant survive long enough to find another job. Anything beyond that is your responsibility.

Congress is delegated the social power to Tax by the People. Providing for the general welfare is actually in our federal Constitution. And, equal protection of the laws is a right established in our State and federal Constitutions.

 

[OlNate]

Ah ok, I thought you were propagandizing Canada again. My bad.



Oh everyone knows that there are only about a million Canucks in Canuckistan, the rest of your citizens are moose, beavers, and squirrels.

:lamo You would have gotten a like on this post, if you'd made it just to me. What's with this lazy multi quote response business?

 

[danielpalos]

Employers pay the UE tax to their state.
The more UE they have the higher their rate.

So if they can hire back an unemployed employee, they get to reduce the rates they pay. And refusal to work is an incentive to not stay off the clock.

I don't know if every state operates the same way.

Unequal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation in any at-will employment is what causes a downward pressure on wages and enables a "race to the bottom" in our first world economy.

Unemployment compensation as an automatic stabilizer is much more cost effective use of the Peoples' tax monies. And, Labor as the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism benefit from an upward pressure on wages on an Institutional basis.

Wage-slavery is unConstitutional in any at-will employment State.

 

[Napoleon]

Congress is delegated the social power to Tax by the People. Providing for the general welfare is actually in our federal Constitution. And, equal protection of the laws is a right established in our State and federal Constitutions.

Congress is not obligated by the Constitution to pay people $27 per hour for not working. Expendable income is not a legitimate disbursement and fortunately that insanity is going to end a week from today.