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Confederate monuments[W:1182]

Re: Confederate monuments

katzgar said:
its about civility and simple respect. your respect for white nationalist monuments belongs in the back woods with the klan
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Civility and simple respect is not expressed through censorship.
 
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Napoleon said:
Civility and simple respect is not expressed through censorship.
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if you were educated about what is going on you would know better than to say that. now you just make an ignorant post.
 
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Master PO said:
has nothing to do with people values on the 1800's which is what i was talking about
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Has everything to do with it. Don't you get it? People in the 1800s, with 1800s values, saw that what the south was doing was evil.
 
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Napoleon said:
I know exactly what is going on.
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obviously you do not. trying to say moving them to display elsewhere is censorship is just plain ignorance. Ok, maybe you dont know what censorship is I give you that.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Has everything to do with it. Don't you get it? People in the 1800s, with 1800s values, saw that what the south was doing was evil.
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you don't

the values people of the 1800's compared to the people of today, has no bearing on whether Britain or France helped the confederacy, so you got lost somehow
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Why do you think it's "damage" to oppose monuments to those who fought to keep slavery intact?
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Should we remove the original Constitution from the National Archives and burn it on the grounds that it provided a legal avenue for slavery?
 
Re: Confederate monuments

Master PO said:
you don't

the values people of the 1800's compared to the people of today, has no bearing on whether British or France helped the confederacy, so you got lost somehow
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The values of people today say slavery was wrong. The values of people in the 1800s, while not quite as enlightened as today's, also realized(eventually) that slavery was wrong. Hence why Britain and France didn't intervene-- they couldn't rationalize their entry as a good thing.
 
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Napoleon said:
Should we remove the original Constitution from the National Archives and burn it on the grounds that it provided a legal avenue for slavery?
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Provided a legal avenue is not the same thing as murdering loyal Americans in the name of keeping it.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Provided a legal avenue is not the same thing as murdering loyal Americans in the name of keeping it.
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You don't think the very document that made the institution of slavery legal and expressly prohibited Congress from ending it is more significant?
 
Re: Confederate monuments

Tigerace117 said:
The values of people today say slavery was wrong. The values of people in the 1800s, while not quite as enlightened as today's, also realized(eventually) that slavery was wrong. Hence why Britain and France didn't intervene-- they couldn't rationalize their entry as a good thing.
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:lamo......oh my god!
 
Re: Confederate monuments

Napoleon said:
You don't think the very document that made the institution of slavery legal and expressly prohibited Congress from ending it is more significant?
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Nope, because the constitution was amended. I don't see anyone suggesting that we "amend" these monuments, however one would really do that.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Except, of course, that they're not.

Don't worry, the sky isn't falling. Removing monuments that honor traitors won't cause the fall of the Republic.
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Yes, they were traitors. There's no denying that. They seceded from the union, and that's a traitorous act.

However, there were great military leaders, great civic leaders, and also men of courage of their convictions, all caught on the wrong side of history.

Are you ready to discard all those things? Throwing the baby out with the bathwater?

As I said. This is part of the countries history. Removing the monuments from their places is in fact running away from that history, and the contributions those people made.

Get out of you excessive politically over-corrected bubble already!
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Buddy, buddy, buddy...... All of that is documented historical fact.
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oh, then you have to know the british were trading with the confederacy.

British subjects were in the civil war serving in the confederacy
 
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eohrnberger said:
Yes, they were traitors. There's no denying that. They seceded from the union, and that's a traitorous act.

However, there were great military leaders, great civic leaders, and also men of courage of their convictions, all caught on the wrong side of history.

Are you ready to discard all those things? Throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
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Those things aren't being 'thrown out'. Removing monuments honoring traitors does not equate to erasing them from history books.
As I said. This is part of the countries history. Removing the monuments from their places is in fact running away from that history, and the contributions those people made.
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A. No, it's simply not running away. No one is denying the history. That's simply not happening
B. Their primary 'contributions' were acts of treason.
Get out of you excessive politically over-corrected bubble already!
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I am in no such bubble. Stop elevating traitors, most of whom should have been hanged after the war, to positions of honor and excusing their treason.
 
Re: Confederate monuments

Tigerace117 said:
Nope, because the constitution was amended. I don't see anyone suggesting that we "amend" these monuments, however one would really do that.
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So was the Liberty Monument. A plaque was installed years ago that explained what the monument was and how far the city had come since the events it was built to commemorate.
 
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