Confederate memorials are coming down!!!!

[Robertinfremont]

My statement remains true

In your opinion is what you mean. And you forgot to spell lie.

 

[Robertinfremont]

We both know that the majority of those statues weren't dedicated to honor Confederates but to intimidate black people.

Way to go to promote racism.

 

[vegas giants]

In your opinion is what you mean. And you forgot to spell lie.

You are lying again.


Your confederacy lost the war.....and you confederacy lovers lost this battle too. Lol

 

[armycowboy]

Way to go to promote racism.

Sorry if history makes you feel uncomfortable.

 

[vegas giants]

Should we knock down MLK statue due to him watching a girl get raped for fun?

You misspelled trump....and he has no statues

 

[Lisa]

The Civil War wasn't necessarily focused on slavery being morally correct or not. It was focused on the economics of it and the centralized power of the federal government to tell the States what to do (aka "States' Rights").

Utter Bullpucky. The south seceded over their right to own slaves.

In 1860, nearly 75 percent of U.S. exports came from the South, and these agricultural products relied heavily on slavery. When Mississippi seceded, its declaration stated clearly that the separation was "thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery -- the greatest material interest in the world." The right to own slaves was recognized in the Constitution, yet states in the North had passed laws allowing the freedom of escaped slaves. The Confederate states pointed to the explicit guarantee of the Constitution that slaves who escaped to a non-slave state would be returned to their owners. The states that passed laws to the contrary were violating the Constitution, but the federal government was not protecting the interests of the South by allowing them to persist.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Feel free to do as you wish. The statue was removed by the city of Birmingham

Looks as if a black mayor assumed he had authority over monuments in a city to me. I understand he is being sued. There is the chance a court will order him to restore the monument to the sailor at the park in his name.

Image result for Birmingham Mayor Randall Woodfin being sueda day ago
Alabama attorney general sues Birmingham for removing Confederate monument. ... “On Monday, I advised [Birmingham] Mayor [Randall] Woodfin that the removal of the 115-year-old Confederate Soldiers and Sailors monument in Birmingham's Linn Park would violate the law and that I would fulfill my duty to enforce it.21 hours ago

Alabama attorney general sues Birmingham for removing ...Alabama Local News, Breaking News, Sports & Weather › news › birmingham › 2020/06 › alabam...

 

[ataraxia]

I believe history is vital to understanding any states role in history.

These statues are not for the purpose of remembering. I don't see any statues of Benedict Arnold around. They are for the purpose of glorifying. Legally speaking, these folks should have been hung for treason. The only reason they weren't was because there was a feeling that there had been enough blood shed and no one wanted to inflame emotions any further.

Good riddance to the statues.

 

[jotathought]

The south wins ....slavery continues

The north wins .....slavery ends

It's not rocket science

I'm not disagreeing with the outcomes you listed .. just that the premise of the Civil War wasn't only about slavery.

 

[Lisa]

General Washington lost many battles and only when France helped did he get the surrender of the then lawful government of England. So we do have statues of losers. Abe Lincoln lost many battles and it seemed certain at a point he was going to lose. We have his statue up though he promoted active warfare.

This is more revisionist nonsense.

 

[vegas giants]

I'm not disagreeing with the outcomes you listed .. just that the premise of the Civil War wasn't only about slavery.

I will agree it was not exclusively about slavery. But slavery was a major factor

 

[vegas giants]

Looks as if a black mayor assumed he had authority over monuments in a city to me. I understand he is being sued. There is the chance a court will order him to restore the monument to the sailor at the park in his name.

Keep hope alive. You will fight for the confederacy to the end!!!


Disgusting



What does the color of the mayor matter????

 

[jotathought]

I will agree it was not exclusively about slavery. But slavery was a major factor

Yeah! Agreement.

 

[Tigerace117]

Birmingham has a black mayor who is a Democrat that supports the destruction of Alabama historical monuments.

You mean African Americans don’t want to celebrate people who fought for slavery?

Who could have predicted that? :roll:

 

[Tigerace117]

The Civil War wasn't necessarily focused on slavery being morally correct or not. It was focused on the economics of it and the centralized power of the federal government to tell the States what to do (aka "States' Rights").

It was about a very specific “state’s right”.....the “state’s right” to own slaves.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Utter Bullpucky. The south seceded over their right to own slaves.

You changed the topic from war to secession. And you are correct on why public citizens of 7 states decided to leave the union.

 

[JustHanging]

I believe history is vital to understanding any states role in history.

I agree. I'm sincerely happy we have found some common ground.

So take these symbols of racism and hatred out of the public square, put as many as necessary in museums to warn future generations about what racism and hate lead to, and destroy the rest.

 

[ataraxia]

The Civil War wasn't necessarily focused on slavery being morally correct or not. It was focused on the economics of it and the centralized power of the federal government to tell the States what to do (aka "States' Rights").

Well why don't we ask the Confederates themselves what the focus was?

"The new constitution (of the Confederacy) has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us; the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Thomas Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the 'rock upon which the old Union would split'. He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away.

This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the 'storm came and the wind blew'.

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. "
-Alexander Stephens, vice president of the Confederacy
Alexander H. Stephens - Wikiquote

I don't see anything there about "states' rights".

 

[Lisa]

Nazis did not execute those as war criminals. Germans did not either. It was Americans. And statues do not live. They serve as reminders.

I lived in Germany and respect what they want done in their own country.

How ignorant are you to think that this people were executed by the Nazis, over a year after the surrender? Or is this also an example of conservative revisionism?

I never said that they were executed by the Nazis because the Nazis surrendered a year before the trials started. It was the Nazi losers who were executed for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

VE day was 08 May 1945. The trials began on 30 September of 1946.

The Nazis were the losers, so of course they didn't execute them. They were executed by the Allied command after the trials.

 

[Robertinfremont]

It was about a very specific “state’s right”.....the “state’s right” to own slaves.

As you have been told hundeds of times, citizens of 7 states decided to secede and the war was not possible had Abe the outlaw president not invaded at Manassas, VA.

 

[vegas giants]

As you have been told hundeds of times, citizens of 7 states decided to secede and the war was not possible had Abe the outlaw president not invaded at Manassas, VA.

Flat out lie.


The south fired on the north first and you know this

 

[Tigerace117]

As you have been told hundeds of times, citizens of 7 states decided to secede and the war was not possible had Abe the outlaw president not invaded at Manassas, VA.

Except huge numbers of citizens of those states decided no such thing, only to be brutally oppressed.

He “invaded” a “country” which was already at war with the US since they attacked American troops at Fort Sumter.

 

[Bodecea]

Birmingham has a black mayor who is a Democrat that supports the destruction of Alabama historical monuments.

They've been destroyed? In a million pieces now?

 

[Bodecea]

I believe history is vital to understanding any states role in history.

I believe intelligent people don't need a lot of monuments in their faces in order to help them remember.

 

[Jezcoe]

As I thought you are not discussing the monument removed at Birmingham, Alabama at all. It was one put up by the soldiers and sailors at Linn park of a man named Linn who was a sailor.

No Confederate should have a statue in a place of honor, nor should they have things named after them.

They are best left in the dustbin of history.