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Confederate flag, racist or heritage?

What are your personal views about the confederate flag?

  • 1. A symbol of slavery and racism.

    Votes: 58 61.1%

  • 2. A symbol of tradition and southern pride.

    Votes: 10 10.5%

  • 3. Never gave it much thought.

    Votes: 2 2.1%

  • 4. Depends. Could be either depending on who is flying the flag.

    Votes: 15 15.8%

  • 5. Both, a symbol of pride but reminiscent of slavery.

    Votes: 19 20.0%

  • 6. I am for or against it just to be contrary.

    Votes: 1 1.1%

  • 7. Other personal views on the flag.

    Votes: 9 9.5%
  • Total voters
    95
bomberfox said:
That the confederacy was on this noble quest to fight for its states rights. Thats the lost cause myth. They didnt really seem to give a damn about the rights of free states.
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I thought you might have intended more.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
The states actually put in writing that they were leaving the Union to preserve slavery, and yet folks like Tigerace117 still insist the Civil War was not about preserving slavery.

The cognitive dissonance is mind boggling.

What a lot of people don't know is that US slaves at the time of the Civil War was one of the most valuable assets in the country, worth over $2 billion.
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? I’ve been pointing out the Confederacy was fighting to defend slavery this whole time?
 
Master Debator said:
Those would be the poor saps fighting to protect an institution they arent even benefiting from.... 🤣🤣🤣
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Well, to be fair, I imagine they didn’t want to be at the very bottom of the social hierarchy, so they had an interest in preserving the one group below them.
 
AConcernedCitizen said:
Well, to be fair, I imagine they didn’t want to be at the very bottom of the social hierarchy, so they had an interest in preserving the one group below them.
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Id prefer not to imagine. If they want to admit their family was fighting to preserve their benefits from slavery then I'm happy to accept that but so far all I've seen from them is fragility. 😂
 
Along Came Jones said:
Reductio ad Hitlerum always fails
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No reductio involved. The values represented by the Nazi flag and the Confederate flag are absolutely morally equivalent.

Along Came Jones said:
Why?
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Why do I agree that impoverished rubes who fought and died to protect the interests of the rich couldn’t overcome their indoctrination? Gee, I wonder.
 
AConcernedCitizen said:
No reductio involved. The values represented by the Nazi flag and the Confederate flag are absolutely morally equivalent.



Why do I agree that impoverished rubes who fought and died to protect the interests of the rich couldn’t overcome their indoctrination? Gee, I wonder.
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Like WWII draftees?
 
Master Debator said:
😂

Instead of pretending my arguments for me why dont you just wait until I make one and then address that?

Abolishing slavery and believing in equal rights are two different things.

Here's what Lincoln said in one of his debates with Stephen Douglas, “There is a physical difference between the White and Black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.”
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I believe that Lincoln quote you cited could relate to how Black Americans choose to live in black communities in every major city. Why is that? Is there forced segregation somewhere in this country? Or is that a preference shown by so many of our various ethnic groups which live together for cultural comfort?

There is nothing in this country that "will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.”
It a personal preference exercised by many ethnic groups in our great country.
 
The very fact that many Americans still defend the flags of the Confederacy is proof they know it was to preserve the practice of human beings.
 
jaypatriot said:
I believe that Lincoln quote you cited could relate to how Black Americans choose to live in black communities in every major city. Why is that? Is there forced segregation somewhere in this country? Or is that a preference shown by so many of our various ethnic groups which live together for cultural comfort?
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Apparently you skipped the day they taught about redlining. Yes there was force segregation in this country.

Home Ownership, racial segregation and policy solutions to racial wealth inequality
jaypatriot said:
There is nothing in this country that "will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.”
It a personal preference exercised by many ethnic groups in our great country.
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Racist ones.
 
I haven't mined through 18 pages, so apologies if someone's already mentioned this - but, the Union Jack existed before the UK abolished slavery. Is it subject to the same question?
 
stevecanuck said:
I haven't mined through 18 pages, so apologies if someone's already mentioned this - but, the Union Jack existed before the UK abolished slavery. Is it subject to the same question?
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No one has asked. Welcome to the circular fire fight! Excellent question to throw into the circle!
 
Bodi said:
Not all of them and probably not even most of them.


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Very few of them, actually.

Early this morning I visited the Sons of Confederate Veterans website to see what they offered by way of remembrance and preserving southern culture. Surprisingly little. What they did have were one page summary histories of African Americans, Hispanics and Indians in service to the Confederacy. What I took from perusing the summaries was not that they were historically correct but a demonstrated desire to separate themselves from the racism of the era.
 
Along Came Jones said:
Very few of them, actually.

Early this morning I visited the Sons of Confederate Veterans website to see what they offered by way of remembrance and preserving southern culture. Surprisingly little. What they did have were one page summary histories of African Americans, Hispanics and Indians in service to the Confederacy. What I took from perusing the summaries was not that they were historically correct but a demonstrated desire to separate themselves from the racism of the era.
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Through make believe. There is no real separation of Confederacy as a racist, white supremacist slave state, just frail whites who'd rather that wasnt the case. 😂
 
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