Complaints about the leftist leaning of this forum

[Hello My Son]

You don't listen either.

I listen just fine. Others receive exactly what they put in from me.

And no one accused you of anything. YOU brought up rage.

You told me to look in the mirror and take my own advice. If you don't understand that this equates to an accusation, then I can't help you.

Interesing.

We're done here

You chose to interact when you didn't have to. Looks like my comment really struck a chord. I wonder why...

 

[Grand Mal]

I am a boomer. Back in the day, the liberal mantras were "do your own thing" and "question authority".

Still are.

Today, for the leftists, it is "do OUR thing or else" and " how DARE you question us. We are the authority"

Leftist does not equal liberal.
Anyone who doesn't hold liberal values isn't a liberal, doesn't matter what you, he or anyone else says.

If there are boomers here,they are doing a piss poor job of promoting liberal values.

Pointing at a camel and saying, "Look what horses have become!" doesn't mean horses have grown humps and camel toes. Just means you don't know a horse from a camel.

 

[Juin]

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All forums I ever joined have always had more leftists. So I am used to that. The fun is in engaging contrary opinion, so I am not sure I want it otherwise

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

"What does it matter to a Canadian".

No sense of humor. Not surprised.

This is another dumb poll

Or so it seems, lately. Lots of complaints about too many leftists on here and not enough balance. Righties being drowned out. Being outnumbered.

What do they call that? Oh yea, bleating.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Or so it seems, lately. Lots of complaints about too many leftists on here and not enough balance. Righties being drowned out. Being outnumbered.

What do they call that? Oh yea, bleating.

But, might there be some merit to their bleating/complaining?

What constitutes a "leftist"?

My Friend Carl lives in Point Roberts, married a Canadian, served in Iraq runs his own business, hunts deer and bear every year....

.....and is gay.

He won't live in Canada because he objects to socialized medical care. He votes Democrat.

Since time began we have invented terminology to define differences, and use differences to establish dominance. It's a tribal thing. If I can label you, I can control what others think of you.

But here's the real problem. Americans define "liberal" as left. In fact, anything not Republican is deemed "leftist"or worse. The truth is that the USA trails the rest of the world in both Education and medical care because of it's 'right wing' independentist views.

"Liberal" as a term was invented by the coiners of the Magna Carta, the first English Language move toward populism or 'democracy" which was invented in Poland. It meant one who has freed himself from the bondage thinking of the middle ages when Kings were gods.


Today in Canada Liberal is a political party and not a good one. In America its an insult.

 

[Gardener]

Still are.

Leftist does not equal liberal.
Anyone who doesn't hold liberal values isn't a liberal, doesn't matter what you, he or anyone else says.

Pointing at a camel and saying, "Look what horses have become!" doesn't mean horses have grown humps and camel toes. Just means you don't know a horse from a camel.

The failure in your analogy is that camels do not refer to themselves as horses.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

The failure in your analogy is that camels do not refer to themselves as horses.

Camels do not refer to themselves as camels either

 

[Gardener]

Camels do not refer to themselves as camels either

But leftists refer to themselves as liberal.

Did you support forcing small businesses to close during COVID?

If so, you are a leftist, not a liberal.

 

[Grand Mal]

But leftists refer to themselves as liberal.

So do you. That's the point.
Remember this?
"Anyone who doesn't hold liberal values isn't a liberal, doesn't matter what YOU, HE, or anyone else says."

Did you support forcing small businesses to close during COVID?

If so, you are a leftist, not a liberal.

 

[Grand Mal]

The failure in your analogy is that camels do not refer to themselves as horses.

But you do.

 

[Gardener]

But you do.

I always refer to leftists as leftists.

 

[anatta]

I only had four years of it in college and was a political reporter in Canada for 30 years.

So I guess the answer is no, NONE of us

very interesting bio

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

What constitutes a "leftist"?

Anyone left of rightwing white nationalists.

Since time began we have invented terminology to define differences

True, we call them MAGA they call us commies.

In fact, anything not Republican is deemed "leftist"or worse.

Nah, Republicans are RINOS unless they are Trumpers.

Today in Canada Liberal is a political party and not a good one. In America its an insult.

Got better with Carney, just sayin'

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

But leftists refer to themselves as liberal.

Yes we do. Better than refer to ourselves as rightwing fruitcakes. Just sayin'

If so, you are a leftist, not a liberal.

How about if we are a leftist liberal? I mean you can make a leftist out of any fantasy you want. Most Canadians or Europeans or Australians would be positively communist by your limited understanding of geo-politics.

I always refer to leftists as leftists.

Fair. I always refer to rightwing fruitcakes to rightwing fruitcakes. My terminology is more specific and accurate.

 

[Gardener]

Yes we do. Better than refer to ourselves as rightwing fruitcakes. Just sayin'

How about if we are a leftist liberal? I mean you can make a leftist out of any fantasy you want. Most Canadians or Europeans or Australians would be positively communist by your limited understanding of geo-politics.

Fair. I always refer to rightwing fruitcakes to rightwing fruitcakes. My terminology is more specific and accurate.

Is growing up and learning a few things about the world simply beyond your abilities?

I would suggest you read some John Rawls or John Stuart Mill so you can learn what liberalism IS.

You see, it is about actual principles rather than your childish games of name calling and finger pointing based upon labels you do not comprehend.

 

[JMR]

Pointing at a camel and saying, "Look what horses have become!" doesn't mean horses have grown humps and camel toes. Just means you don't know a horse from a camel.

Excellent point!

 

[trixare4kids]

But leftists refer to themselves as liberal.

Did you support forcing small businesses to close during COVID?

If so, you are a leftist, not a liberal.

Shall I go pop the corn?

People like us who were once liberals can see how the left infiltrated the Democratic Party and ended liberalism. That's why we left.

 

[Gardener]

Shall I go pop the corn?

People like us who were once liberals can see how the left infiltrated the Democratic Party and ended liberalism. That's why we left.

Exactly.

These new Democrats see politics in terms of identity, not principles. They simply confirm to the groupthink and their attitudes represent nothing more than conditioned responses.

They should know that OF COURSE shutting down Mom and Pops to feather the nests of the multi-nationals is the furthest thing from liberalism in action, but their little peeps would jump all over their sorry little asses if they ever dared to say so.

 

[Grand Mal]

I always refer to leftists as leftists.

I am a boomer. Back in the day, the liberal mantras were "do your own thing" and "question authority".

Today, for the leftists, it is "do OUR thing or else" and " how DARE you question us. We are the authority"

If there are boomers here,they are doing a piss poor job of promoting liberal values.

 

[trixare4kids]

Exactly.

These new Democrats see politics in terms of identity, not principles. They simply confirm to the groupthink and their attitudes represent nothing more than conditioned responses.

They should know that OF COURSE shutting down Mom and Pops to feather the nests of the multi-nationals is the furthest thing from liberalism in action, but their little peeps would jump all over their sorry little asses if they ever dared to say so.

I concur.
You know what truly amazes me, Gardener? How many of today's groupthink leftists don't understand that they are not liberals. Like you said, they are conditioned to believe that groupthink is a tenet of liberalism. It is not, and never was. Without the group, the bully pulpit, they are silent as individuals with original thought. Today's liberals generally do not believe in any of the bullet points below.

• Belief in rationality
• Natural rights
• Civil liberties
• Necessity of the state to protect individual interests
• Emphasis on individual autonomy and procedural justice
• Core principles of individual rights, liberty, limited government, free markets, and the rule of law
• Close relationship with democracy
• Role in shaping modern democratic systems
• Support for private property, market economies, individual rights, liberal democracy, secularism, and freedom of speech, assembly, and religion.

Understanding Liberal Theory: Definition and Key Characteristics • PolSci Institute

Liberal theory, with its central emphasis on freedom, has evolved over time to address new societal challenges. It is rooted in individualism, advocating liberty from authoritarian restraints. Key tenets of liberalism include the belief in rationality, natural rights, civil liberties, and the...

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Liberalism: A Political Ideology Explained

Liberalism is a political ideology that emphasizes individual rights, liberty, and limited government. It originated in the Enlightenment era and has since become a dominant force in modern political thought. In this guide, we explore the history, core tenets, and criticisms of liberalism, and...

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Liberalism - Wikipedia

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[JMR]

Shall I go pop the corn?

People like us who were once liberals can see how the left infiltrated the Democratic Party and ended liberalism. That's why we left.

Lol, Classical Liberals are basically moderate Libertarians. Hard to see how they could end up in MAGA camp, buddying up with the Social Conservatives.

 

[trixare4kids]

But leftists refer to themselves as liberal.

Did you support forcing small businesses to close during COVID?

If so, you are a leftist, not a liberal.

Oh geeze. That one went over some leftists' heads.

 

[Gardener]

Oh geeze. That one went over some leftists' heads.

Funny, how I can distinguish between leftist and liberal only to be accused of conflating the two.

 

[trixare4kids]

Voting other:

On this particular leftist echo chamber for a forum, there are way too many leftists that believe they are liberals.

Have a nice day all, and enjoy your weekend.

 

[exoplanet]

But leftists refer to themselves as liberal.

Did you support forcing small businesses to close during COVID?

If so, you are a leftist, not a liberal.

The leftist/liberal association is largely here in the US. Which I think is where the confusion is coming from.

From the same Wikipedia article:

According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, "In the United States, liberalism is associated with the welfare-state policies of the New Deal programme of the Democratic administration of Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt, whereas in Europe it is more commonly associated with a commitment to limited government and laissez-faire economic policies."