Complaints about the leftist leaning of this forum

[anatta]

Yeah, which means your definitive "MAGA is not extremist" is a personal viewpoint and just happens to not be supported by poli-sci experts.

But what do you care about the studies of those in the field.

poli- sci doesnt account for the growth of MAGA into previous Dem demographics. my point - whatever your perception.
what "field"? anyone can cast themselves as a political scientist.

 

[anatta]

Good ****ing grief, what insane shit.

well we are past constructive debate. i leave you to your biases

 

[Gimmesometruth]

well we are past constructive debate. i leave you to your biases

I agree, your racist screed really took me off balance, I had no idea your ideas were this insane.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

poli- sci doesnt account for the growth of MAGA into previous Dem demographics.

Who in the hell told you that? The same bunch that told you Obama "marginalized white men"? I bet it is.

my point - whatever your perception.

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what "field"? anyone can cast themselves as a political scientist.

Well, there you are, that explains what sort informs your opinion.

 

[Bodi]

Or so it seems, lately. Lots of complaints about too many leftists on here and not enough balance. Righties being drowned out. Being outnumbered.

What do they call that? Oh yea, bleating.

But, might there be some merit to their bleating/complaining?

There aren't too many Leftists but there are too many that start hurling out MAGA and Nazi and Racist and Transphobe insults at the drop of a hat as opposed to the very few Righties that hurl out baby killer or whatever else they use as insults which is not much because I can't even think of any more. Here is a perfect example on this very page...

well we are past constructive debate. i leave you to your biases

I agree, your racist screed really took me off balance, I had no idea your ideas were this insane.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

insults

Shhh....you have been marginalized, don't you know.

 

[Cassandra]

In oration, William F. Buckley Jr. had what to some Americans may appear to be a "smug" or even "pompous" delivery, which was due to his British & Long Island Prep School educations. I actually liked his delivery, having had a Brit-type Grammar School education in the States - developing an appreciation for "Proper English" bordering on "Queen's English".

Buckley's good, but I always felt the real-life Chomsky pretty much schooled him in their debates.

I do miss the civility of those times & individuals. I miss the Intellectualism. I took my "Chomsky" nick not just for the RL Chomsky's unabashed Liberalism, but for his intellectualism and ability to wipe away constructs and open one's mind.

Here's a classic confrontation:

Hey Chomsky, I feel your nostalgia for civil debate... The Bill Buckley/James Baldwin debate should be required viewing, I.M.O.

 

[Hamish Howl]

ROFL> you don't even understand how Obama changed the Dem party - effectively marginalizing white men.
If you had any political radar you'd know intersectionality is still a prime mover for leftists (identities are not isolated but rather interact to create unique experiences of both privilege and oppression)

I;m crushed

I guess if you're used to enjoying superior social standing based on race, then equality might seem like oppression.

Sadly, nobody gives a **** if you feel marginalized in such a fashion.

 

[Bodi]

Shhh....you have been marginalized, don't you know.

Don't shush me or minimize the Hell that I have been through...



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[Gimmesometruth]

you don't even understand how Obama changed the Dem party - effectively marginalizing white men.

Don't shush me or minimize the Hell that I have been through...



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[Infinite Chaos]

you don't even understand how Obama changed the Dem party - effectively marginalizing white men.

My first inclination is to laugh at you except that people like you or that you support traditionally hold all the power and wealth in the USA and that means you still get to control the media and how things are seen.
My second inclination is to ask you how this marginalisation worked?
I read the whole victimisation part in your explanation but did you feel uncomfortable with non-white males joining the Democrats? See non-white males holding positions of authority in govt and the political party?
Do you feel a "home" now with Trump and his picks for power tending to be white and male?

I'm on the other side here in the UK, I wouldn't call myself any kind of Conservative in the American sense (Americans including Obama tend to be 50 paces to the right of most European Conservatives) but Brexit pushed many centrist Conservatives out of the British Conservative party and what we now have is a rump Conservative party desperately fighting for its life against Reform. A Reform party that apes and admires Trump.
I certainly can't ever see myself voting Reform or Conservative for the forseeable future - but I think the marginalisation was political rather than based on the colour and gender or people's skins.

 

[anatta]

There aren't too many Leftists but there are too many that start hurling out MAGA and Nazi and Racist and Transphobe insults at the drop of a hat as opposed to the very few Righties that hurl out baby killer or whatever else they use as insults which is not much because I can't even think of any more. Here is a perfect example on this very page...

leftists seem to enjoy insults, and i mean much more then MAGA. Perhaps because they have little in the way of improving peoples lives.
So they yammer on about wealth inequality"

 

[Bodi]

Shhh....you have been marginalized, don't you know.

 

[anatta]

My first inclination is to laugh at you except that people like you or that you support traditionally hold all the power and wealth in the USA and that means you still get to control the media and how things are seen.
My second inclination is to ask you how this marginalisation worked?
I read the whole victimisation part in your explanation but did you feel uncomfortable with non-white males joining the Democrats? See non-white males holding positions of authority in govt and the political party?
Do you feel a "home" now with Trump and his picks for power tending to be white and male?

gawd almighty -where do you get these hackneyed views that white men still want to keep the black man down? It's soo lame, so Democratic bullshit. right up there with Biden's "systemic racism"

I explained how i was basically told to **** off, as I had white privilege and therefore was not to be listened, to. In fact it was basically telling me to shut up and stop contributiing to partisan ideas

I'm on the other side here in the UK, I wouldn't call myself any kind of Conservative in the American sense (Americans including Obama tend to be 50 paces to the right of most European Conservatives) but Brexit pushed many centrist Conservatives out of the British Conservative party and what we now have is a rump Conservative party desperately fighting for its life against Reform. A Reform party that apes and admires Trump.
I certainly can't ever see myself voting Reform or Conservative for the forseeable future - but I think the marginalisation was political rather than based on the colour and gender or people's skins.

OK. no clue about politics there

 

[Bodi]

leftists seem to enjoy insults, and i mean much more then MAGA. Perhaps because they have little in the way of improving peoples lives.
So they yammer on about wealth inequality"

Leftists absolutely engage in hateful insultive rhetoric more than Righties... but both fringe sides are equally as shitty when it comes to be a moral person.... pretty much. That is what angers Leftists so much... Righties own it while Lefties scream in rage that it is not true.





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[anatta]

Leftists absolutely engage in hateful insultive rhetoric more than Righties... but both fringe sides are equally as shitty when it comes to be a moral person.... pretty much. That is what angers Leftists so much... Righties own it while Lefties scream in rage that it is not true.

I try to avoid it. Not that I am so high and mighty moral authority. It's because insults are lame debate.
Id much rather go after the opponents crappy ideas.

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[Bodi]

I try to avoid it. Not that I am so high and mighty moral authority. It's because insults are lame debate.
Id much rather go after the opponents crappy ideas.

In no way am I saying that one is a better person, although Pro-lifers are the biggest scumbags on the planet... but Lefties and their non-stop whining about Transphobia while marginalizing women is a close second. Pro-Lifers will argue about what is a person, and all that while those arguing about Transgender Rights just start hissy fitting and casting out vile insults... so Pro-lifers do... but not nearly on the same level.

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[anatta]

I guess if you're used to enjoying superior social standing based on race, then equality might seem like oppression.

still cant address the fact white guys ideas were unwanted. Whats this oppression nonsense?

Sadly, nobody gives a **** if you feel marginalized in such a fashion.

Nothing sad about it.
I'm glad I was forced to confront the Dems were more interested in composition of a racial coalition by marginalizing the Evil White Man
It forced me to confront my clinging to a party who didn't value my ideas because I was white. That and the utter ruination of Libya by Obama and Hillary were the final nail I am happy never to have looked back as the Dems got more progressive over time.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

gawd almighty -where do you get these hackneyed views that white men still want to keep the black man down? It's soo lame, so Democratic bullshit. right up there with Biden's "systemic racism"

You certainly portrayed a victim complex with your posts.

OK, as you confess little knowledge of UK politics - I'll explain that my disdain for modern British Conservatives is based on politics (especially Brexit) and not skin colour. To their credit, I would say the same for most Conservatives. Their disdain for others is based on politics and Brexit and not so much on skin colour behind the policies.

 

[anatta]

You certainly portrayed a victim complex with your posts.

Am I whining about it? No. In fact I said it was a good thing because it forced me to confront what the Dem party valued -and i wasn't me.
Mental clarity is always a winner

OK, as you confess little knowledge of UK politics - I'll explain that my disdain for modern British Conservatives is based on politics (especially Brexit) and not skin colour. To their credit, I would say the same for most Conservatives. Their disdain for others is based on politics and Brexit and not so much on skin colour behind the policies.

*yawn* i'll sleep on it. G'night

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Am I whining about it? No. In fact I said it was a good thing because it forced me to confront what the Dem party valued -and i wasn't me.

Ah so it was you and not any of your ideas.

Mental clarity is always a winner

Yup, you finally got there.

 

[phoenix2020]

still cant address the fact white guys ideas were unwanted. Whats this oppression nonsense?

Nothing sad about it.
I'm glad I was forced to confront the Dems were more interested in composition of a racial coalition by marginalizing the Evil White Man
It forced me to confront my clinging to a party who didn't value my ideas because I was white. That and the utter ruination of Libya by Obama and Hillary were the final nail I am happy never to have looked back as the Dems got more progressive over time.

Americans don’t take you seriously not because you’re a white man. They don’t take you seriously because it’s hard to take anyone seriously when they act, for all functional purposes, like a leased photocopier being operated by somebody else, whose posts demonstrate no self-confidence, integrity nor spine while going through the motions of following the orders they were given.

Take for example user @anatta and the typical @anatta post. Donald comes along and declares very specifically that the Haitians of Ohio are definitely eating the cats. What does @anatta do? Does he embody that strong, white male masculinity and self confidence and tell Donald, “look, that’s not true, stop staying stupid shit or I won’t vote for you” ? Nope. He chickens out and avoids the subject and/or deflects to any other topic that might bring Donald some air cover. White men across the nation are left embarrassed and humiliated that one of their own couldn’t even stand up to an elderly obese dementia-ridden serial adulterer. They were hoping for Rambo; they got a Ted Cruz knock-off instead.

You can’t even stand up for white males when facing off against Donald Trump, so you shouldn’t be surprised that few white males will be willing to stand up for you.

 

[americanwoman]

Uh, now there's a perfect example of irrational thought. This site was overrun with lefties for the entire term of the previous Democrat President. You couldn't get on here without one of two things almost constantly.
1. We still hate Trump and we are going to talk ugly about him, his legal issues, his comments, his hair, his family, his golf game, how rich he is or isn't, and any other thing associated with Trump.
2. Joe Biden is a dynamo whether is be from the basement or behind closed doors. Every mistake Biden made was somehow caused by Trump. Joe was an excellent President even when he couldn't recall who, or where he was. Nobody on the left seemed to be noticing his decline until about two months ago. That was after the democrat authored books came out.

So to even insinuate that this site has been anything but overpopulated with those on the left is certainly inaccurate and rings of something Biden might come up with.

Hey, I just post for fun and debate politics, not to sit around and think about which way people that I don't even really know lean. I'd say caring about it enough to make a list is more irrational.

 

[Chomsky]

conversely I read Progressive stuff I normally would just skip over. No way i support the Progressives - the antithesis of the old Dem party i was happy with ( I always considered myself a blue dog dem), but they are the power now of that party

There was nothing wrong with Blue Dog Dems. It was the environment I grew-up in. I would call it practical & pragmatic. ""JFK Dems, so to speak.

And if one is interested in political power, one has to understand how it's played

Absolutely. "Power" is actually the real-life Chomsky's overarching analytical theme. He identifies the avenues of power, and goes forward from there.

 

[Chomsky]

You lack appreciation for rhetorical flair.