Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful In Pr

[Longshot Lou]

Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful In Presidency

I heard an interesting analysis of Donald Trump's popularity the other day. I can't remember which talking head brought it up, so I can't give credit, but I think it is an interesting and probably accurate explanation.

According to this idea, Trump is doing so well in the Republican presidential polls, despite his being a preposterous boor who is literally ignorant about many of the issues facing the nation today, because President Obama has done so well in his presidency since the GOP took full control of Congress.

Obama has governed with executive orders, won more than once in critical Supreme Court decisions (particularly on the hated OBAMACARE), seen his stamp of approval on gay marriage fulfilled in a burgeoning national consensus, completed an important nuclear arms deal on the international stage, and has seen his approval ratings rise among the American people, all while he was supposedly buried under a "LAME DUCK" status , and while his opponents have control of both houses of Congress.

This has peed off many a "patriot", right winger , and conservative, especially those who have especially hated Obama throughout his presidency.

Trump comes in and calls Obama names, and calls Clinton names, and calls all the GOP politicians who have allowed Obama to be successful in the late stages of his "lame duck" presidency names. To this seething mindset, Trump's obvious shortcomings, such as no political experience, abominable personality, and cluelessness about both the government and just about any policy issue you could imagine, have no importance.

The only important thing is that he tells everyone that Obama is stupid , and that the world is laughing at us because of Obama, and that the Republicans who tolerate this this state of affairs are stupid and have the world laughing at us.

Donald Trump promises to make all right with the world again.

Added bonus - Trump (still) isn't sure if Obama was born in America.

 

[Moot]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

The name calling and ridicule is probably the only thing that conservatives can identify with Trump. He's playing them like a fiddle.

 

[imagep]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

I suspect there is a lot of merit to the OP.

 

[shrubnose]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful In Presidency

I heard an interesting analysis of Donald Trump's popularity the other day.

I can't remember which talking head brought it up, so I can't give credit, but I think it is an interesting and probably accurate explanation.

According to this idea, Trump is doing so well in the Republican presidential polls, despite his being a preposterous boor who is literally ignorant about many of the issues facing the nation today, because President Obama has done so well in his presidency since the GOP took full control of Congress.

Obama has governed with executive orders, won more than once in critical Supreme Court decisions (particularly on the hated OBAMACARE), seen his stamp of approval on gay marriage fulfilled in a burgeoning national consensus, completed an important nuclear arms deal on the international stage, and has seen his approval ratings rise among the American people, all while he was supposedly buried under a "LAME DUCK" status , and while his opponents have control of both houses of Congress.

This has peed off many a "patriot", right winger , and conservative, especially those who have especially hated Obama throughout his presidency.

Trump comes in and calls Obama names, and calls Clinton names, and calls all the GOP politicians who have allowed Obama to be successful in the late stages of his "lame duck" presidency names. To this seething mindset, Trump's obvious shortcomings, such as no political experience, abominable personality, and cluelessness about both the government and just about any policy issue you could imagine, have no importance.

The only important thing is that he tells everyone that Obama is stupid , and that the world is laughing at us because of Obama, and that the Republicans who tolerate this this state of affairs are stupid and have the world laughing at us.

Donald Trump promises to make all right with the world again.

Added bonus - Trump (still) isn't sure if Obama was born in America.

The fact that Trump is so popular with so many people in the GOP doesn't say anything good about those people or the GOP.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

 

[shrubnose]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful In Presidency

I heard an interesting analysis of Donald Trump's popularity the other day. I can't remember which talking head brought it up, so I can't give credit, but I think it is an interesting and probably accurate explanation.

According to this idea, Trump is doing so well in the Republican presidential polls, despite his being a preposterous boor who is literally ignorant about many of the issues facing the nation today, because President Obama has done so well in his presidency since the GOP took full control of Congress.

Obama has governed with executive orders, won more than once in critical Supreme Court decisions (particularly on the hated OBAMACARE), seen his stamp of approval on gay marriage fulfilled in a burgeoning national consensus, completed an important nuclear arms deal on the international stage, and has seen his approval ratings rise among the American people, all while he was supposedly buried under a "LAME DUCK" status , and while his opponents have control of both houses of Congress.

This has peed off many a "patriot", right winger , and conservative, especially those who have especially hated Obama throughout his presidency.

Trump comes in and calls Obama names, and calls Clinton names, and calls all the GOP politicians who have allowed Obama to be successful in the late stages of his "lame duck" presidency names. To this seething mindset, Trump's obvious shortcomings, such as no political experience, abominable personality, and cluelessness about both the government and just about any policy issue you could imagine, have no importance.

The only important thing is that he tells everyone that Obama is stupid , and that the world is laughing at us because of Obama, and that the Republicans who tolerate this this state of affairs are stupid and have the world laughing at us.

Donald Trump promises to make all right with the world again.

Added bonus - Trump (still) isn't sure if Obama was born in America.

Lots of people in the GOP still aren't sure that Obama was born in America.

 

[imagep]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

Lot's of people in America weren't born in America. Few of them are republicans though. But one or two republican presidential candidates weren't born in America.

 

[Chagos]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

If I were a Dem I'd pray to whatever power may be that Trump makes the candidacy.

And if I were a Rep I'd pray that more of mine see what a magnificent (self) groin shot that would be.

 

[Renae]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful In Presidency

I heard an interesting analysis of Donald Trump's popularity the other day. I can't remember which talking head brought it up, so I can't give credit, but I think it is an interesting and probably accurate explanation.

According to this idea, Trump is doing so well in the Republican presidential polls, despite his being a preposterous boor who is literally ignorant about many of the issues facing the nation today, because President Obama has done so well in his presidency since the GOP took full control of Congress.

Obama has governed with executive orders, won more than once in critical Supreme Court decisions (particularly on the hated OBAMACARE), seen his stamp of approval on gay marriage fulfilled in a burgeoning national consensus, completed an important nuclear arms deal on the international stage, and has seen his approval ratings rise among the American people, all while he was supposedly buried under a "LAME DUCK" status , and while his opponents have control of both houses of Congress.

This has peed off many a "patriot", right winger , and conservative, especially those who have especially hated Obama throughout his presidency.

Trump comes in and calls Obama names, and calls Clinton names, and calls all the GOP politicians who have allowed Obama to be successful in the late stages of his "lame duck" presidency names. To this seething mindset, Trump's obvious shortcomings, such as no political experience, abominable personality, and cluelessness about both the government and just about any policy issue you could imagine, have no importance.

The only important thing is that he tells everyone that Obama is stupid , and that the world is laughing at us because of Obama, and that the Republicans who tolerate this this state of affairs are stupid and have the world laughing at us.

Donald Trump promises to make all right with the world again.

Added bonus - Trump (still) isn't sure if Obama was born in America.

Starting with a premise Obama's successful completely negates this theory.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

Another Obama circle jerk thread. :yawn:

 

[Renae]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

Another Obama circle jerk thread. :yawn:

Were you expecting something else? Seriously though, the only thing Obama's done successfully is stay in office, destroy the separation of powers, betray our allies, enable our enemies, oversee the worst economic recovery in the history of the country and convince far too many people it's cause evil Republicans don't like his ideas that it's not "better". On that score, he's a hit.

 

[natsb]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

I think the OP is partially right. Trump is doing well because the voters are mad at the GOP. The GOP has twice been put in power by the voters, and then proceeded to do nothing they were put in office for. For crying out loud, not only did they not stop President Obama's illegal amnesty, they went ahead and funded it. {facepalm} Trump is getting his support from Democrats and Republicans who are giving the establishment the finger.

 

[imagep]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

...For crying out loud, not only did they not stop President Obama's illegal amnesty, they went ahead and funded it. {facepalm}...

I'm not sure that I understand this issue correctly. How do you "defund" something that was never originally funded? The way I understand it, this "amnesty" didn't actually require any additional funding, and to "defund" it would have consisted of not funding border security, which would have been counter productive.

 

[natsb]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

I'm not sure that I understand this issue correctly. How do you "defund" something that was never originally funded? The way I understand it, this "amnesty" didn't actually require any additional funding, and to "defund" it would have consisted of not funding border security, which would have been counter productive.

Congress can, and often does, specify what money cannot be spent on. They can attach a rider to any appropriations bill forbidding the use of any federal funds for the purpose of carrying out Obama's amnesty programs. They did not flag that the money cannot be spent on the amnesty plan, thereby giving permission for it to be spent. Monies that President Obama would have to spend, and Congress can include issuing SSA numbers, work permits, etc. President Obama threatened to veto any bill that blocked his plan, and Congress buckled.

 

[imagep]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

Congress can, and often does, specify what money cannot be spent on. They can attach a rider to any appropriations bill forbidding the use of any federal funds for the purpose of carrying out Obama's amnesty programs. They did not flag that the money cannot be spent on the amnesty plan, thereby giving permission for it to be spent. Monies that President Obama would have to spend, and Congress can include issuing SSA numbers, work permits, etc. President Obama threatened to veto any bill that blocked his plan, and Congress buckled.

OK, that's helpful. But exactly how much money does it take to not deport people, to not hire more border guards, to not put people in jail?

 

[natsb]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

OK, that's helpful. But exactly how much money does it take to not deport people, to not hire more border guards, to not put people in jail?

I don't honestly know. When those not's are put in place, I imagine the price of the escalated crime, increased schooling, burden on the health system, entitlement programs, etc, would get pretty expensive.

Besides, denying the funds is not really a matter of saving any cost in this situation. The intention would be designed to stop an action.

 

[CrabCake]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

I don't honestly know. When those not's are put in place, I imagine the price of the escalated crime, increased schooling, burden on the health system, entitlement programs, etc, would get pretty expensive.

Besides, denying the funds is not really a matter of saving any cost in this situation. The intention would be designed to stop an action.

I think you're missing the point. The so-called amnesty program doesn't cost any money. How do you defund something that doesn't cost anything?

Defunding things is a great tactic when you need to stop new programs that come with a cost. But it is pointless when what you are trying to stop doesn't cost anything. The so-called amnesty program the Republicans wanted to stop is basically a series of directives on which kinds of immigration cases ICE shouldn't waste their time on. How do you defund that? You can't.

 

[natsb]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

I think you're missing the point. The so-called amnesty program doesn't cost any money. How do you defund something that doesn't cost anything?

Defunding things is a great tactic when you need to stop new programs that come with a cost. But it is pointless when what you are trying to stop doesn't cost anything. The so-called amnesty program the Republicans wanted to stop is basically a series of directives on which kinds of immigration cases ICE shouldn't waste their time on. How do you defund that? You can't.

No, I think you missed my post listing some of the cost. It cost money to issue work permits, Social Security numbers, track court cases, etc. There are clear and definable cost associated with President Obama's amnesty scheme. The purpose of a rider is to prevent money from being spent on activities such as those.

 

[CrabCake]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

No, I think you missed my post listing some of the cost. It cost money to issue work permits, Social Security numbers, track court cases, etc. There are clear and definable cost associated with President Obama's amnesty scheme. The purpose of a rider is to prevent money from being spent on activities such as those.

Obama program does not involve giving social security numbers to anyone. It involves directing DHS not to waste their time on certain cases. Once something is in the court system then it already was deemed not part of the amnesty program. So what are he defined costs? There are none. It costs nothing to not prosecute someone.

 

[natsb]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

Obama program does not involve giving social security numbers to anyone. It involves directing DHS not to waste their time on certain cases. Once something is in the court system then it already was deemed not part of the amnesty program. So what are he defined costs? There are none. It costs nothing to not prosecute someone.

Wow, just wow... You should try doing a little homework before posting stuff like that. Search for cost of the amnesty plan and get back to us. The amnesty plan is almost all about court deferments. Being in the court system plays a major part of the plan, and therefore the cost. And you think security checks, DACA, DAPA, and parole-in-place are free. All the Government employees hired for the program work for free? And then there are the work permits, you remember, the ones the Judge put a hold on. The work permits require the worker to pay taxes. Please explain how a worker pays taxes without a SSN?

It is more than clear that you have not read the actual Executive Action. Please show us how each of the five parts are free of any cost.

 

[imagep]

Re: Compelling Theory - Trump Is Successful In Campaign Because Obama Is Successful I

Obama program does not involve giving social security numbers to anyone. It involves directing DHS not to waste their time on certain cases. Once something is in the court system then it already was deemed not part of the amnesty program. So what are he defined costs? There are none. It costs nothing to not prosecute someone.

Finally, someone who can actually think.

I believe that the entire "defund" issue was just a show.