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Columbia rabbi tells Jewish students to leave campus, warns that school, NYPD 'cannot guarantee your safety'

ClaraD said:
You call Israelis and Jews pro genocide are you now extending that racist accusation to Americans?
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Nop, I have not called Jews or Israelis pro genocide. It is you who have mistakenly conflated the American pro Israeli protestors as Jews. Jews are part of the anti genocide students protesting on Campus. Columbia suspended two student organizations so far for their Pro Palestine work, one of which is a Jewish organization.

And of course many Americans are pro genocide, some of those more openly racist than others.
 
L0neW0lf said:
Nop, I have not called Jews or Israelis pro genocide. It is you who have mistakenly conflated the American pro Israeli protestors as Jews. Jews are part of the anti genocide students protesting on Campus. Columbia suspended two student organizations so far for their Pro Palestine work, one of which is a Jewish organization.

And of course many Americans are pro genocide, some of those more openly racist than others.
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The students being threatened are Jewish and btw it’s a crime to attack police. Pro genocide and racist my ass. This country is nearly half minority (people of color) I am among that minority population
 
ClaraD said:
Pro genocide? I think you have an issue with understanding the term you are using as well as in the way you are applying it. There is zero the US can do for Palestine until they remove the terrorist leadership Hamas. They murdered 1200 and you are silent about that. Your silence is telling and you have a bias. As I stated I have no side here and both sides are wrong. Let me know when you call out Hamas for their genocide
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I am applying the term accurately, perhaps you missed the proceedings of the international criminal court where it stands accused of said crime. The US stands isolated internationally on this this issue at the moment. See the last security council vote which the US vetoed, so, no, the US can, like all other countries in the world are, do more for the Palestinians.

Moreover as it was already pointed out to you the US is not some random bystander in this conflict. It is actively, militarily involved. I would understand your position if you're living in Kenya or some other non involved country but when the weapons burning to death thousands of Palestinian children have made in America written on them , you are involved.


The kids are protesting their university, their demand is that it divests from war companies involved in the war. The students in their last vote a few days ago voted in favor of divestment.
 
L0neW0lf said:
The US stands isolated internationally on this this issue at the moment. See the last security council vote which the US vetoed, so, no, the US can, like all other countries in the world are, do more for the Palestinians.

Moreover as it was already pointed out to you the US is not some random bystander in this conflict. It is actively, militarily involved. I would understand your position if you're living in Kenya or some other non involved country but when the weapons burning to death thousands of Palestinian children have made in America written on the , you are involved.


The kids are protesting their university, their demand is that it divests from war companies involved in the war. The students in their last vote a few days ago voted in favor of divestment.
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The reason they vetoed it is sound. I note you aren’t calling Hamas pro genocide
 
ClaraD said:
The students being threatened are Jewish and btw it’s a crime to attack police. Pro genocide and racist my ass. This country is nearly half minority (people of color) I am among that minority population
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If pro genocide protestors on campuses are being threatened for being pro genocide, that does not translate to jews being targeted or harrassed for being Jews, which would be racist. And as you know and you continuously ignore, there are Jewish kids actively protesting against this genocide, they are there with their peers in the camps. You are also introducing another weird conflation, that one has to be white to be genocidal or to be racist for that matter.

There have been plenty of genocidal anti Palestinian comments made at the highest level of American government, here's two examples:

"In the speech in support of the ceasefire resolution, the Democratic Florida state representative Angie Nixon said: “We are at 10,000 dead Palestinians. How many will be enough?”

“All of them,” Michelle Salzman called in reply."

Another example:
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Appearing on Fox News on Tuesday night, Graham asserted that "we are in a religious war here, I am with Israel. Whatever the hell you have to do to defend yourselves; level the place."

In a social media post, U.S. political analyst, author, and activist Josh Ruebner tagged the International Criminal Court with the caption, "ATTN... Incitement to genocide"
 
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MTAtech said:
I heard protesters chanting "we are Hamas." Hamas is a terrorist organization that shares no progressive values with Columbia students.

Hamas believes in killing homosexuals and subjugation of women.
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Yawn.

We all know the jews are committing genocide in Palestine and you have an issue with some charts?

That seems pretty strange to me.
 
poweRob said:
Why? What would you intend to do with someone's personal information?
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Well nothing. I don't really care about his personal information. I am not the one who is calling people cowards if they choose, for good reason, to protect their privacy though. Thats him, so ask him.
 
ADL's Jonathan Greenblatt has called for the National Guard to be deployed to break up these campus protests:



ADL - Apartheid Defense League - never ashamed, always offended.
 
tosca1 said:
What's happening in the USA.....................is just so.........................surreal.

It didn't take that long, either.
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Naturally this is all paid for.
 
tosca1 said:
What's happening in the USA.....................is just so.........................surreal.

It didn't take that long, either.
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This country is all ****ed up since 2016, agree.
 
eohrnberger said:
Yeah, right. Anti-Semitism in these protests are limited to 2 people. :rolleyes:
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Based on the article you cited, that's what they pointed out. There was no reference to the crowd chanting any of this or groups of people doing the same as the two people they pointed out.

eohrnberger said:
The arrests aren't for their speech, but for other legal violations they are committing, like blocking public roads, assault & battery, public nuisance, etc. etc.
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Exactly.

eohrnberger said:
Calling out the vile identity politics, the politics of divisiveness and division which the Democrats / liberals / progressives are practicing is the source of the vast majority of the problem is accurate. 🤷‍♂️
The Democrats / liberals / progressives have been practicing the vile identity politics for like 10 or more years, and the nation is reaping the seeds they have sown.
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This is quite the reach, and mainly because this would be a divisive issue regardless of any of that. I mean, the core of the problem is highly divisive, and I can't imagine a world where people wouldn't be on either side of the fence just like the two conflicted parties are. You'll have to better define this premise to show why you think Democrats/liberals/progressives are the source in this instance, because those opposed to Israel's actions are just in that group.

eohrnberger said:
Lest we forget the reality in Charlottesville that day:
In Charlottesville, there was a protest for removing civil war statues from public places, and a protest to keep civil war statues from public places (both fine people), which was reasonably peaceful, even when the two groups confronted each other, resulting in little more than a shouting match, if I recall correctly.

Then the neo-Nazi/white supremacist groups joined in, brought their tiki torches and, as you'd expect, were chanting neo-Nazi/white supremacist slogans, and soon the whole thing degenerated.

The dishonestly of the DNC political propaganda political activist lamestream media was the conflation of the protesters who wanted to keep civil war statues in public places and the neo-Nazi/white supremacist groups (a lie), and that 'both fine people' was in reference to the neo-Nazi/white supremacist groups (also a lie).
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This is great. So on the one hand you condemn the protests in Columbia as being anti-Semitic and everyone there toeing that line. Then on the other, you shift the focus of what happened in Charlottesville to the original intent of the protest and not the ugly side of it when the racist nutters showed up chanting all sorts of vile things including "Jews will not replace us". So based on the rationale you seem to be presenting here, I remind you that the Columbia University protest is about the university divesting from companies that sell weapons to Israel. Do you think you're conflating the rabble rousers the focus of the protest?
 
stealthycat said:
so odd

if people were protesting/supporting in favor/support of Taliban or Al-Qaeda they'd be called out for it and we'd be hearing about "Islamaphobia"

but when people protest/support in favor of Hama (terrorists) they're not really called out for it and Jewish people aren't really being treated as targets here
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People are protesting to support the Palestinian people who have been been victims of the Jewish state for scores of years.
 
stealthycat said:
so odd

if people were protesting/supporting in favor/support of Taliban or Al-Qaeda they'd be called out for it and we'd be hearing about "Islamaphobia"

but when people protest/support in favor of Hama (terrorists) they're not really called out for it and Jewish people aren't really being treated as targets here
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Not really. It would be odder if people didn't care at seeing thousands of people being affected this way. The majority of people aren't in support of HAMAS, but of the people suffering at the moment. As for people supporting HAMAS and protesting accordingly, I don't agree with it but respect the right for them to protest.
 
noonereal said:
Yawn.

We all know the jews are committing genocide in Palestine and you have an issue with some charts?

That seems pretty strange to me.
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We don't all know that. In fact, it's false.

gen·o·cide
/ˈjenəˌsīd/
noun
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
"a campaign of genocide

That isn't what Israel is doing. If it were, the Palestinian population wouldn't be growing over time.

If Israel's objective was genocide they wouldn't have facilitated delivery of more than 18,400 tons of medical supplies to Gaza since Hamas attacked Israel. On March 2, Israel also delivered 50 incubators for hospitals across Gaza. Israel has facilitated the entrance of 74 ambulances to Gaza and more than a million vaccine doses.

What Israel is doing is trying to eradicate the terrorist group, Hamas, that imbeds itself among the people. Hamas also welcomes high civilian deaths, as it strengthens their propaganda war and turns the world against Israel, who is the victim of Hamas' belligerence.
 
ClaraD said:
The reason they vetoed it is sound. I note you aren’t calling Hamas pro genocide
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Not really. The US statement and rationale was that this issue is best resolved between both parties, which is essentially punting the issue and not allowing for a wider recognition in the UN of a Palestinian state's right to exist. The question of HAMAS exerting influence isn't something that's just magically rooted out no more than the expectation for the US to be considered a state would rely on it not having armed anti-government militias.
 
poweRob said:
I don't think he asked for you to post your personal information for the world to see. If such light words hurt your feelings so much, perhaps you shouldn't be on a political forum?
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Projecting much? asking for somebody not to hide their identity is not offensive. What is offensive is the comment he made that people who hide their identity are cowards.

If the comment hurt you, address it with him
 
ElChupacabra said:
Not really. The US statement and rationale was that this issue is best resolved between both parties, which is essentially punting the issue and not allowing for a wider recognition in the UN of a Palestinian state's right to exist. The question of HAMAS exerting influence isn't something that's just magically rooted out no more than the expectation for the US to be considered a state would rely on it not having armed anti-government militias.
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I’m on record saying both Hamas and Netenyahu need to be tried for war crimes and both need to be removed by force from power
 
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