Colorado Woman, 82, Dies from Injuries Sustained in Antisemitic Firebombing

[Absentglare]

....I was not referring to either Biden (who I agree would never say or suggest or support any of that) or Harris (about whom let us say I have doubts), so, not sure where you are pulling that from.

So you admit that while Trump, who is the leader of the republican party, uses violent rhetoric, democratic party leaders do not.

 

[cpwill]

Of course that's silly. Anyone criticizing Israel is being labeled as anti semitic

It is certainly true that people over apply the label (just as the Left has described any disagreement as racist or various forms of "phobic"), however, that does not, actually, mean that anti-semitism is not a problem on the left, nor does it mean that the Left is not at least somewhat blind to it (see: thread, and your posts in particular).

, which in and of itself is anti semitic.

No. Overuse of the accusation of anti-semitism is not in and of itself anti-semitic, any more than overuse of the accusation of ageism is itself ageism.

Right wing critics are cynically using a real issue to deflect from real, earned scorn for the Israeli *government*'s behavior. I cannot tell you how funny it is for an American Christian to tell a Jewish person they must back this Israeli government or they're a self-loathing Jew, the implication being we are always second class citizens to whites. And then we go back to the current GOP regime. Trump stated Jews only loved money. He has repeatedly tried to define who is and isn't a Jew.

I don't recall the first of those statements, but it's certainly within character, and it's stupid. Just as it was stupid when Rashida Talib said the same thing about Jews and Money Biden stated that, if you didn't vote for him, you weren't black. All of them are stupid because all of those people are stupid, and say stupid things.

However, again, none of that is an actual response to the point that the worlds' oldest hatred didn't get that way by being inflexible, and anti-semitism (at current) is worse on the Left in the West than it is on the Right. Nor is it a response to the fact that one main difference is that we are a bit more clear eyed about antisemitism when it occurs on the Right, but, the Left's self-perception of itself as being defined by the notion that "they are the Good People", along with all kinds of ordinary tribalism and attribution error, relatively blinds them to evil in their movement.


But hey, you don't gotta take it from me. Take it from that famous right-wing rag, the, er, New York Times

Natan Sharansky, the former Soviet dissident, has suggested a “3D” test for when criticism of Israel crosses into antisemitism, with the D’s being delegitimization, demonization and double standards. Progressive rhetoric has regularly failed that test in recent years. “Americans generally have greater ability to identify Jew hatred when it comes from the hard right and less ability and comfort to call out Jew hatred when it comes from the hard left or radical Islamism,” said Rachel Fish, an adviser to Brandeis University’s Presidential Initiative on Antisemitism.

Consider the double standard that leads to a fixation on Israel’s human rights record and little campus activism about the records of China, Russia, Sudan, Venezuela or almost any other country. Consider how often left-leaning groups suggest that the world’s one Jewish state should not exist and express admiration for Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis — Iran-backed terrorist groups that brag about murdering Jews. Consider how often people use “Zionist” as a slur — an echo of Soviet propaganda from the Cold War — and call for the exclusion of Zionists from public spaces. The definition of a Zionist is somebody who supports the existence of Israel....​

It is impossible to vote for Donald Trump and not be an anti semite.

Struggle Bussin, huh?

 

[cpwill]

So you admit that while Trump, who is the leader of the republican party, uses violent rhetoric, democratic party leaders do not.

I don't think that "democrat party leaders" is confined only to those two individuals, however, yes, Democrat leadership in net has been less pugilistically incendiary in this manner than Trump has been in the last couple of years. Props as well to Hakeem Jeffries, who has to a degree at least taken on the hard task of policing his own.

 

[The Brad Dad]

It is certainly true that people over apply the label (just as the Left has described any disagreement as racist or various forms of "phobic"), however, that does not, actually, mean that anti-semitism is not a problem on the left, nor does it mean that the Left is not at least somewhat blind to it (see: thread, and your posts in particular).




No. Overuse of the accusation of anti-semitism is not in and of itself anti-semitic, any more than overuse of the accusation of ageism is itself ageism.




I don't recall the first of those statements, but it's certainly within character, and it's stupid. Just as it was stupid when Rashida Talib said the same thing about Jews and Money Biden stated that, if you didn't vote for him, you weren't black. All of them are stupid because all of those people are stupid, and say stupid things.

However, again, none of that is an actual response to the point that the worlds' oldest hatred didn't get that way by being inflexible, and anti-semitism (at current) is worse on the Left in the West than it is on the Right. Nor is it a response to the fact that one main difference is that we are a bit more clear eyed about antisemitism when it occurs on the Right, but, the Left's self-perception of itself as being defined by the notion that "they are the Good People", along with all kinds of ordinary tribalism and attribution error, relatively blinds them to evil in their movement.


But hey, you don't gotta take it from me. Take it from that famous right-wing rag, the, er, New York Times

Natan Sharansky, the former Soviet dissident, has suggested a “3D” test for when criticism of Israel crosses into antisemitism, with the D’s being delegitimization, demonization and double standards. Progressive rhetoric has regularly failed that test in recent years. “Americans generally have greater ability to identify Jew hatred when it comes from the hard right and less ability and comfort to call out Jew hatred when it comes from the hard left or radical Islamism,” said Rachel Fish, an adviser to Brandeis University’s Presidential Initiative on Antisemitism.​

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Consider the double standard that leads to a fixation on Israel’s human rights record and little campus activism about the records of China, Russia, Sudan, Venezuela or almost any other country. Consider how often left-leaning groups suggest that the world’s one Jewish state should not exist and express admiration for Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis — Iran-backed terrorist groups that brag about murdering Jews. Consider how often people use “Zionist” as a slur — an echo of Soviet propaganda from the Cold War — and call for the exclusion of Zionists from public spaces. The definition of a Zionist is somebody who supports the existence of Israel....​

Struggle Bussin, huh?

Talib apologized for her comments, Trump keeps making the same ones. And he insisted she should go back to "her country" when she's a citizen here. The GOP's entire worldview currently is that you cannot be a real American unless you're white.

The correct answer to "What does Natan Sharansky think" is "Who gives a shit".

Conservatives are obsessed with the idea of overuse of a word while calling literally everyihntg they don't understand or like "communism".

Telling jews they're not real Jews unless they support a specific foreign government is anti semitic. Constantly invoking ISRAEL whenever "JEW" comes up is anti semitic or vice versa. Conservatives currently love telling Jewish people how proud we should be of our "home" Israel, which is just their way of making sure we know we don't ever really fit in here. That is until Jebus comes home, and then all of us who don't accept The Jebus as our Lord and Chief Pasta Maker get to go to the same hell you believe all Muslims go to. Funny about Christians and their concern for the PEOPLE of Israel.

 

[Absentglare]

I don't think that "democrat party leaders" is confined only to those two individuals, however, yes, Democrat leadership in net has been less pugilistically incendiary in this manner than Trump has been in the last couple of years. Props as well to Hakeem Jeffries, who has to a degree at least taken on the hard task of policing his own.

So you admit that Trump incites violence.

We know MAGA defends violence, they ran the same script both from Jan 6th (it was really a antifa/lefty/democrat!) to defend the MAGA terrorist.


MAGA is following a playbook, we’ve seen it in history before.

His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

 

[cpwill]

So you admit that Trump incites violence.

...duh?

We know MAGA defends violence, they ran the same script both from Jan 6th (it was really a antifa/lefty/democrat!) to defend the MAGA terrorist.

Yup. Just as lefties tried to blame "black flag" right wing agitators for the BLM riots. People don't like to admit that members of "their team" did something bad.

 

[Tigerace117]

It is certainly true that people over apply the label (just as the Left has described any disagreement as racist or various forms of "phobic"), however, that does not, actually, mean that anti-semitism is not a problem on the left, nor does it mean that the Left is not at least somewhat blind to it (see: thread, and your posts in particular).




No. Overuse of the accusation of anti-semitism is not in and of itself anti-semitic, any more than overuse of the accusation of ageism is itself ageism.




I don't recall the first of those statements, but it's certainly within character, and it's stupid. Just as it was stupid when Rashida Talib said the same thing about Jews and Money Biden stated that, if you didn't vote for him, you weren't black. All of them are stupid because all of those people are stupid, and say stupid things.

However, again, none of that is an actual response to the point that the worlds' oldest hatred didn't get that way by being inflexible, and anti-semitism (at current) is worse on the Left in the West than it is on the Right. Nor is it a response to the fact that one main difference is that we are a bit more clear eyed about antisemitism when it occurs on the Right, but, the Left's self-perception of itself as being defined by the notion that "they are the Good People", along with all kinds of ordinary tribalism and attribution error, relatively blinds them to evil in their movement.


But hey, you don't gotta take it from me. Take it from that famous right-wing rag, the, er, New York Times

Natan Sharansky, the former Soviet dissident, has suggested a “3D” test for when criticism of Israel crosses into antisemitism, with the D’s being delegitimization, demonization and double standards. Progressive rhetoric has regularly failed that test in recent years. “Americans generally have greater ability to identify Jew hatred when it comes from the hard right and less ability and comfort to call out Jew hatred when it comes from the hard left or radical Islamism,” said Rachel Fish, an adviser to Brandeis University’s Presidential Initiative on Antisemitism.​

​

Consider the double standard that leads to a fixation on Israel’s human rights record and little campus activism about the records of China, Russia, Sudan, Venezuela or almost any other country. Consider how often left-leaning groups suggest that the world’s one Jewish state should not exist and express admiration for Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis — Iran-backed terrorist groups that brag about murdering Jews. Consider how often people use “Zionist” as a slur — an echo of Soviet propaganda from the Cold War — and call for the exclusion of Zionists from public spaces. The definition of a Zionist is somebody who supports the existence of Israel....​

Struggle Bussin, huh?

The idea that there is no social media or campus activism around Sudan, for example, is just a blatant, outright falsehood.

Desperate wails of “you can’t criticize the Western backed mass murder campaign in Gaza! Criticize countries the US hates!” are utterly ineffective in convincing anyone, btw.

Decades of effort to equate anti Semitism to “criticism of the state of Israel” has rendered the term effectively meaningless in the eyes of many.

 

[Metric Mouse]

This sucks.

What kind of dummy thinks lighting peaceful people in fire in the United States will stop abuses by another country somewhere across the globe?

No one thinks this, which is why we know this person was pure evil. They didn't want to stop violence, they wanted to expand it.