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Colorado State House Bill 24-1348 (storage of guns) example of liberal idiocy

My center console is lockable and meets the criteria under the law.
As I am sure the glove compartment would also be if lockable.
I’ve never had a center console that locked nor have my kids
 
It's just your example wasn't of the personal property of a private citizen being stolen.



Yes. I can possess and use a motor vehicle on my property without a driver's license, insurance, safety equipment, pollution control devices.

Being that you agree there are different rights between a vehicle that is parked on your property vs a public roadway, why would you not expect the same rules to apply to storage of a firearm in a vehicle on a public roadway vs your home?

Who should be responsible if a vehicle gets a broken window for any variety of reasons (car accident, rock kicked up by a passing vehicle, hail storm, vandalism, etc.) and a minor comes across a firearm that is not secured in the vehicle and accidently hurts/kills someone? The chance of that happening when your vehicle is parked in a public area is exponentially higher compared to your private property.

The argument for a firearm in an unattended vehicle used for self-defense doesn't really work, like someone would have to make it back to the unattended vehicle to obtain the firearm. Expecting a firearm to be secured when not in someone's direct control or supervision is not unreasonable.
 
Controlled substance =/= constitutionally protected right.

It doesn’t. Which is why the govt can’t force you to store it somewhere.

Red herring.

How is it a red herring?

Are you not arguing constitutional rights are absolute and unlimited?

Or do you agree that certain restrictions and limitations are allowed and should actually be implemented where required? Say not allowing a minor to carry a firearm for protection?
 
How is it a red herring?
Are you not arguing constitutional rights are absolute and unlimited?
No.
Or do you agree that certain restrictions and limitations are allowed and should actually be implemented where required?
There are already restrictions and limitations. However, the government gets no say in how I store my constitutionally protected property, in or on my property.
Say not allowing a minor to carry a firearm for protection?
There is no age limit allowed for in the constitution.
 

No.

There are already restrictions and limitations. However, the government gets no say in how I store my constitutionally protected property, in or on my property.

There is no age limit allowed for in the constitution.

How are there restrictions or limitations while maintaining adherence to the second amendment as written, in your opinion?

I'm trying to understand how you believe there are restrictions and limitations while arguing no further restrictions or limitations are permissible?

If you don't believe restrictions or limitations should be permissible, then we are back to my point about supporting toddlers carrying a firearm for protection.

So how is this a red herring? Loaded question,, maybe - but one that deserves to be answered.
 
When I was a kid, this is how the pros got their guns stolen in parking lots.

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How are there restrictions or limitations while maintaining adherence to the second amendment as written, in your opinion?
Felons can’t possess firearms. Firearms can be restricted on private property etc.
I'm trying to understand how you believe there are restrictions and limitations while arguing no further restrictions or limitations are permissible?
It’s not a belief. It’s constitutional law.
If you don't believe restrictions or limitations should be permissible, then we are back to my point about supporting toddlers carrying a firearm for protection.
There are already restrictions. And there is no age limit allowed in the constitution.
So how is this a red herring?
Asked and answered.
Loaded question,, maybe - but one that deserves to be answered.
Complete red herring.
 
Felons can’t possess firearms. Firearms can be restricted on private property etc.

It’s not a belief. It’s constitutional law.

There are already restrictions. And there is no age limit allowed in the constitution.

Asked and answered.

Complete red herring.

Pointing out the absurd is not a red herring as you claim, but since it's not possible to reconcile the whole restrictions are not allowed but there are restrictions, there is an attempt to just wave it all away.

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Be a irresponsible gun owner and lie then.
I will if I have an officer ask me if he can fine me please.
And hope your lie is not detected and instead of a possible $500 fine you might get a $5,000 fine and maybe 18 months in jail for lying to law enforcement.
By the police witch?
 
Pointing out the absurd is not a red herring as you claim, but since it's not possible to reconcile the whole restrictions are not allowed but there are restrictions, there is an attempt to just wave it all away.

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In the US we protect the rights of peaceful, law abiding people and- after due process- remove some or all rights of miscreants who have placed themselves outside that protection.

Restricting instead of protecting the rights of those peaceful people is the infringement.
 
Being that you agree there are different rights between a vehicle that is parked on your property vs a public roadway, why would you not expect the same rules to apply to storage of a firearm in a vehicle on a public roadway vs your home?

Who should be responsible if a vehicle gets a broken window for any variety of reasons (car accident, rock kicked up by a passing vehicle, hail storm, vandalism, etc.) and a minor comes across a firearm that is not secured in the vehicle and accidently hurts/kills someone? The chance of that happening when your vehicle is parked in a public area is exponentially higher compared to your private property.

The argument for a firearm in an unattended vehicle used for self-defense doesn't really work, like someone would have to make it back to the unattended vehicle to obtain the firearm. Expecting a firearm to be secured when not in someone's direct control or supervision is not unreasonable.

I didn't argue any of that. I just showed your example was not of the personal property of a private citizen being stolen.
 
When I was a kid, this is how the pros got their guns stolen in parking lots.

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Was definitely a common sight when I was coming up and some were taken but it was pretty rare as I recall. Respect for your fellow man and his property has certainly declined over the decades.
 
Was definitely a common sight when I was coming up and some were taken but it was pretty rare as I recall. Respect for your fellow man and his property has certainly declined over the decades.
Yeah, a number of people didn't even lock their cars back then. It was a different time in small towns. There was still plenty of bad shit, but it was a different flavor.
 
just remember - plead ignorance if you're the victim of a vehicle break in and they steal your gun

don't admit to having one in the car, leaving one in the car ... "I don't recall" is what you say
 
just remember - plead ignorance if you're the victim of a vehicle break in and they steal your gun
It's not like they would know.


don't admit to having one in the car, leaving one in the car ... "I don't recall" is what you say
Otherwise you're asking them can you please find me I have too much money.

I think it's hilarious someone framed this as being a responsible gun owner just handing the police cash that's not responsible.
 
just remember - plead ignorance if you're the victim of a vehicle break in and they steal your gun

don't admit to having one in the car, leaving one in the car ... "I don't recall" is what you say

As a basic rule, don't talk to the police.

At least not unless your under counsel.
 
As a basic rule, don't talk to the police.

At least not unless your under counsel.

especially now that as a victim of a crime/car break in I can be fined for being a victim, dang straight

deny, deny, deny
 
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