Colorado State House Bill 24-1348 (storage of guns) example of liberal idiocy

[CANON]

Commercial establishments and private citizens are often subject to different standards. Even in your Oxycodone example.

I don't disagree. That doesn't change the fact that a victim of a crime can and does get held liable.

Speaking of different standards, how about the difference between being in a vehicle vs being in a home? Would you agree there things you have the absolute right to do whatever you want at home that you wouldn't have a right to do in a vehicle on a public roadway?

 

[Chomsky]

I just stumbled across this thread today, but am blown-away. 550 guns stolen from vehicles in one year in one state? Amazing.

 

[KingLeo]

Don't feel sorry for me feel for the victims of crimes that will be punished

Somebody else stealing from me wouldn't be my fault.

If you come to Colorado follow the law.

 

[RF667799]

I don't disagree. That doesn't change the fact that a victim of a crime can and does get held liable.

It's just your example wasn't of the personal property of a private citizen being stolen.

Speaking of different standards, how about the difference between being in a vehicle vs being in a home? Would you agree there things you have the absolute right to do whatever you want at home that you wouldn't have a right to do in a vehicle on a public roadway?

Yes. I can possess and use a motor vehicle on my property without a driver's license, insurance, safety equipment, pollution control devices.

 

[CLAX1911]

If you come to Colorado follow the law.

Colorado should follow the law. don't make excuses for having stupid police.

 

[jaeger19]

No it's saying you are a gun owner, be responsible, don't make it easy for someone to steal your gun and do criminal acts.
It's called responsibility.
I am a gun owner, I have a conceal carry permit. If I am going into a building that does not allow firearms I leave it in my vehicle, locked up, out of sight.
And I have no problem with that at all.

And if the police don’t think your firearm was stored appropriately, you should be arrested and charged with a crime?
That’s fine with you.?

 

[jaeger19]

I just stumbled across this thread today, but am blown-away. 550 guns stolen from vehicles in one year in one state? Amazing.

You know what I just found out??
Of those 550 guns , almost have the time THE CAR WAS STOLEN TOO.

“A significant portion of these, 61%, were stolen without the vehicle itself being taken, says the Denver Police Department.”

So almost 40 percent of the time the whole car was taken.
That sure looks a lot different doesn’t it.

Why isn’t that being mentioned…,?

Anti gunners gotta lie.

 

[Chomsky]

You know what I just found out??
Of those 550 guns , almost have the time THE CAR WAS STOLEN TOO.

“A significant portion of these, 61%, were stolen without the vehicle itself being taken, says the Denver Police Department.”

So almost 40 percent of the time the whole car was taken.
That sure looks a lot different doesn’t it.

Why isn’t that being mentioned…,?

Anti gunners gotta lie.

Amazing. But it still is a stolen firearm, so I can see the concern.

Now I'm surprised so many leave their guns in their car! But then I'm a city boy, where no one has a gun rack in a pick-up.

 

[jaeger19]

Amazing. But it still is a stolen firearm, so I can see the concern.

Now I'm surprised so many leave their guns in their car! But then I'm a city boy, where no one has a gun rack in a pick-up.

But they STOLE THE WHOLE CAR.

Well here are reasons people leave guns in their car.
They are out hunting or shooting and stop for gas or meals or to pick up friends etc.
They live in a state that requires guns to be visible on your person and in the car if you don’t have a concealed permit.
You carry concealed but certain restaurants , private companies schools dont allow concealed firearms so you have to leave them in the car .

 

[KingLeo]

Colorado should follow the law. don't make excuses for having stupid police.

Colorado is following their law and the police are enforcing it.
If you come here and do not follow the law you will be face civil charges and a $500 fine.

 

[KingLeo]

And if the police don’t think your firearm was stored appropriately, you should be arrested and charged with a crime?
That’s fine with you.?

You will not be arrested, it is a civil offense and a $500 fine.
You have a problem with the police doing their job and enforcing state laws?

 

[jaeger19]

You will not be arrested, it is a civil offense and a $500 fine.
You have a problem with the police doing their job and enforcing state laws.

I have a problem with letting anti gunners especially police and prosecutors define what “ properly stored” is.

It’s pretty easy for them to argue that any time a firearm is stolen by definition this means they were not properly stored.

 

[KingLeo]

I have a problem with letting anti gunners especially police and prosecutors define what “ properly stored” is.

It’s pretty easy for them to argue that any time a firearm is stolen by definition this means they were not properly stored.

The law is very clear as to what is 'properly stored'.

The act prohibits knowingly leaving a handgun in an unattended vehicle unless the handgun is stored in a locked hard-sided container that is placed out of plain view and the container is in a locked vehicle, the locked trunk of the locked vehicle, or a locked recreational vehicle.
The act prohibits knowingly leaving a firearm that is not a handgun in an unattended vehicle unless the firearm is stored in a locked hard-sided or soft-sided container that is placed out of plain view and the container is in a locked vehicle, the locked trunk of the locked vehicle, or a locked recreational vehicle. A firearm that is not a handgun that is stored in a soft-sided container must have a locking device installed on the firearm while stored in the soft-sided container.

 

[Chomsky]

But they STOLE THE WHOLE CAR.

Well here are reasons people leave guns in their car.
They are out hunting or shooting and stop for gas or meals or to pick up friends etc.
They live in a state that requires guns to be visible on your person and in the car if you don’t have a concealed permit.
You carry concealed but certain restaurants , private companies schools dont allow concealed firearms so you have to leave them in the car .

Yeah, I get that.

By "leave them in the car", I was thinking "overnight in the street", but I can snow see I wasn't thinking broadly enough.

 

[rahl]

Factually, the registrant would be liable for not securing Oxycodone properly. That wasn't a question.

Controlled substance =/= constitutionally protected right.

Where in your constitution does it mention the bit about storing your firearm?

It doesn’t. Which is why the govt can’t force you to store it somewhere.

No right is absolute, no sane person would allow a toddler to carry a firearm for their own protection.

Red herring.

 

[Artymoon]

Now I'm surprised so many leave their guns in their car! But then I'm a city boy, where no one has a gun rack in a pick-up.

They are given the name truck guns. Most are cheaper, beater style guns that are meant to get dinged and scratched up. Usually hidden away in the vehicle or in the glove box.

 

[jaeger19]

The law is very clear as to what is 'properly stored'.

The act prohibits knowingly leaving a handgun in an unattended vehicle unless the handgun is stored in a locked hard-sided container that is placed out of plain view and the container is in a locked vehicle, the locked trunk of the locked vehicle, or a locked recreational vehicle.
The act prohibits knowingly leaving a firearm that is not a handgun in an unattended vehicle unless the firearm is stored in a locked hard-sided or soft-sided container that is placed out of plain view and the container is in a locked vehicle, the locked trunk of the locked vehicle, or a locked recreational vehicle. A firearm that is not a handgun that is stored in a soft-sided container must have a locking device installed on the firearm while stored in the soft-sided

Yes . And it’s clear that this isn’t about stopping criminals from getting guns.
About half of the firearms stolen “ from vehicles”? The whole car was stolen . Giving thieves plenty of time get into any hard case or trunk etc.

What this law is about is making it harder for law abiding citizens to transport their firearms.
Particular poorer citizens.

And the consequences are that when a person who is unable to comply with the law has a firearm stolen from their vehicle?
They don’t tell the police.

 

[KingLeo]

Yes . And it’s clear that this isn’t about stopping criminals from getting guns.
About half of the firearms stolen “ from vehicles”? The whole car was stolen . Giving thieves plenty of time get into any hard case or trunk etc.

What this law is about is making it harder for law abiding citizens to transport their firearms.
Particular poorer citizens.

And the consequences are that when a person who is unable to comply with the law has a firearm stolen from their vehicle?
They don’t tell the police.

Your argument is a bit lame.
If the entire car is stolen that is a different issue.
'Poor people' don't have trunks in their cars?
And if a firearm is stolen from their car and they don't report it that is a lack of responsibility in being a responsible gun owner.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

the problem isn't the gun owners,

Except thats a BIG PART of the problem.

Irresponsible Gun Nuts.

 

[RF667799]

Except thats a BIG PART of the problem.

Irresponsible Gun Nuts.

Worthless commentary.

 

[jaeger19]

Your argument is a bit lame.
If the entire car is stolen that is a different issue.
'Poor people' don't have trunks in their cars?
And if a firearm is stolen from their car and they don't report it that is a lack of responsibility in being a responsible gun owner.

Well as pointed out poor people have to then have a hard case for a car. Which is expensive and yes they may not have a trunk.
My Subaru outback doesnt have a trunk.
My kids cars don’t have trunks (ford escape and rav 4l)
Minivans don’t have trunks . Trucks don’t have trunks .
You get the point

 

[CLAX1911]

Colorado is following their law and the police are enforcing it.

How would the police enforce it if someone broken my card still my gun I would just lie to them.

If you come here and do not follow the law you will be face civil charges and a $500 fine.

Or just lie. Colorado's lawmakers are stupid.

 

[KingLeo]

How would the police enforce it if someone broken my card still my gun I would just lie to them.

Or just lie. Colorado's lawmakers are stupid.

Be a irresponsible gun owner and lie then.
And hope your lie is not detected and instead of a possible $500 fine you might get a $5,000 fine and maybe 18 months in jail for lying to law enforcement.

 

[KingLeo]

Well as pointed out poor people have to then have a hard case for a car. Which is expensive and yes they may not have a trunk.
My Subaru outback doesnt have a trunk.
My kids cars don’t have trunks (ford escape and rav 4l)
Minivans don’t have trunks . Trucks don’t have trunks .
You get the point

My center console is lockable and meets the criteria under the law.
As I am sure the glove compartment would also be if lockable.

 

[Rich2018]

Amazing. But it still is a stolen firearm, so I can see the concern.

Now I'm surprised so many leave their guns in their car! But then I'm a city boy, where no one has a gun rack in a pick-up.

They leave their guns in their cars and unsecured.