Collins, Manchin suggest they were misled by Kavanaugh and Gorsuch on Roe v. Wade

JMB802 · Jun 24, 2022

Sens. Susan Collins and Joe Manchin criticized the Supreme Court's ruling to eliminate the constitutional right to an abortion after they voted to confirm Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch.

The two centrist senators slammed the Supreme Court's decision to eliminate abortion rights after they voted to confirm Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch to the court.

www.nbcnews.com

Kavanaugh told the Senate at his 2018 confirmation hearing that the Roe decision "is important precedent of the Supreme Court that has been reaffirmed many times." Gorsuch, at his 2017 hearing, said of Roe that "a good judge will consider it as precedent of the U.S. Supreme Court."

Did they really think that Kavanaugh and Gorsuch wouldn't jump at the chance to overturn Roe?

And why is Coney-Barrett exempt from their ire? What's the point? Are they trying to satisfy as many constituents as possible by straddling the fence?

lemmiwinx · Jun 24, 2022

So Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and Coney Barrett had to bow down to the abortionists to get their nominations approved in the Senate. What's news about this?

RAMOSS · Jun 24, 2022

JMB802 said:
Sens. Susan Collins and Joe Manchin criticized the Supreme Court's ruling to eliminate the constitutional right to an abortion after they voted to confirm Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch.

The two centrist senators slammed the Supreme Court's decision to eliminate abortion rights after they voted to confirm Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch to the court.

www.nbcnews.com

Kavanaugh told the Senate at his 2018 confirmation hearing that the Roe decision "is important precedent of the Supreme Court that has been reaffirmed many times." Gorsuch, at his 2017 hearing, said of Roe that "a good judge will consider it as precedent of the U.S. Supreme Court."

Did they really think that Kavanaugh and Gorsuch wouldn't jump at the chance to overturn Roe? And why is Coney-Barrett exempt from their ire? What's the point? Are they trying to satisfy as many constituents as possible by straddling the fence?

NO really? Don't mind everyone told them that was going to happen.

Mr Person · Jun 24, 2022

Misled? Lying assholes knew what was up and chose to go along with it.

The general lay public? They might actually have believed that calling it "settled law" and saying they respect "starer decisis" meant something. After all....it does, until it doesn't. And the things they flip on quickly usually aren't that big of a societal deal.

But senators, with their aides and lawyers? Calls a quote to mind. "Bitch, please" (disclaimer: "bitch please" is aimed at the senators. It is not aimed at anyone in this thread)

SenorXm/Sirius · Jun 24, 2022

Lol...

multivita-man · Jun 24, 2022

JMB802 said:
Sens. Susan Collins and Joe Manchin criticized the Supreme Court's ruling to eliminate the constitutional right to an abortion after they voted to confirm Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch.

The two centrist senators slammed the Supreme Court's decision to eliminate abortion rights after they voted to confirm Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch to the court.

www.nbcnews.com

Kavanaugh told the Senate at his 2018 confirmation hearing that the Roe decision "is important precedent of the Supreme Court that has been reaffirmed many times." Gorsuch, at his 2017 hearing, said of Roe that "a good judge will consider it as precedent of the U.S. Supreme Court."

Did they really think that Kavanaugh and Gorsuch wouldn't jump at the chance to overturn Roe? And why is Coney-Barrett exempt from their ire? What's the point? Are they trying to satisfy as many constituents as possible by straddling the fence?

Just **** them both, especially Munchkin. I wish he'd just leave the Democratic party now. Hell I wish the Democratic party in his home state would just censure his ass.

OrphanSlug · Jun 24, 2022

JMB802 said:
Sens. Susan Collins and Joe Manchin criticized the Supreme Court's ruling to eliminate the constitutional right to an abortion after they voted to confirm Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch.

The two centrist senators slammed the Supreme Court's decision to eliminate abortion rights after they voted to confirm Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch to the court.

www.nbcnews.com

Kavanaugh told the Senate at his 2018 confirmation hearing that the Roe decision "is important precedent of the Supreme Court that has been reaffirmed many times." Gorsuch, at his 2017 hearing, said of Roe that "a good judge will consider it as precedent of the U.S. Supreme Court."

Did they really think that Kavanaugh and Gorsuch wouldn't jump at the chance to overturn Roe? And why is Coney-Barrett exempt from their ire? What's the point? Are they trying to satisfy as many constituents as possible by straddling the fence?

Does not matter now, both Collins and Manchin were dumb enough to believe these guys and now the nation pays the price for states having no limit in who they go after, marginalize, criminalize, and ensure have terrible outcomes.

You've now seen the rise of the Christian Taliban, and they are not done.

STUT · Jun 24, 2022

OrphanSlug said:
Does not matter now, both Collins and Manchin were dumb enough to believe these guys and now the nation pays the price for states having no limit in who they go after, marginalize, criminalize, and ensure have terrible outcomes.

You've now seen the rise of the Christian Taliban, and they are not done.

I have a really hard time believing that the two of them were that naive. They’re career politicians. They knew exactly what was going to happen. I suspect they were thinking it would take longer and and more incremental, and they therefor could be all sheepish and innocent as Roe was slowly chipped away

Integrityrespec · Jun 24, 2022

JMB802 said:
Sens. Susan Collins and Joe Manchin criticized the Supreme Court's ruling to eliminate the constitutional right to an abortion after they voted to confirm Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch.

The two centrist senators slammed the Supreme Court's decision to eliminate abortion rights after they voted to confirm Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch to the court.

www.nbcnews.com

Kavanaugh told the Senate at his 2018 confirmation hearing that the Roe decision "is important precedent of the Supreme Court that has been reaffirmed many times." Gorsuch, at his 2017 hearing, said of Roe that "a good judge will consider it as precedent of the U.S. Supreme Court."

Did they really think that Kavanaugh and Gorsuch wouldn't jump at the chance to overturn Roe? And why is Coney-Barrett exempt from their ire? What's the point? Are they trying to satisfy as many constituents as possible by straddling the fence?

BS. They knew the justices, none of the justices ever tell you how they will vote, democrat or republican, none will committ. They just give the pat answers that get them through the very political approval process that has become purely politics. If they were misled they are stupid. More likely they are lying to cover their ass because they voted for them.

Integrityrespec · Jun 24, 2022

lemmiwinx said:
So Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and Coney Barrett had to bow down to the abortionists to get their nominations approved in the Senate. What's news about this?

What a bunch of crap. The liberal justices vote liberal on every single issue, every single issue. Nobody ever wonders how any of them will vote on any issue, far left liberal. At least on occassion those justices you crybaby about vote with the liberal on a few issues, you won't find it the other way around.
I'm so glad we have a moral court who gives a darn about life, all life.

MamboDervish · Jun 24, 2022

The entire "conservative" bench deliberately misled, or outright LIED, under oath.

Needless to say, nothing new for conservatives to LIE under oath, as they are generally too cowardly to tell the truth.

upsideguy · Jun 24, 2022

JMB802 said:
Sens. Susan Collins and Joe Manchin criticized the Supreme Court's ruling to eliminate the constitutional right to an abortion after they voted to confirm Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch.

The two centrist senators slammed the Supreme Court's decision to eliminate abortion rights after they voted to confirm Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch to the court.

www.nbcnews.com

Kavanaugh told the Senate at his 2018 confirmation hearing that the Roe decision "is important precedent of the Supreme Court that has been reaffirmed many times." Gorsuch, at his 2017 hearing, said of Roe that "a good judge will consider it as precedent of the U.S. Supreme Court."

Did they really think that Kavanaugh and Gorsuch wouldn't jump at the chance to overturn Roe? And why is Coney-Barrett exempt from their ire? What's the point? Are they trying to satisfy as many constituents as possible by straddling the fence?

They were "nominated" by the Federalist Society. It was obvious to everyone what was going to happen. Yes Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and Coney-Barrett did lie to get on the court, but Collins and Manchin were not that naive. They are lying to their constituents now.

Gatsby · Jun 24, 2022

Obviously they knew that Kavanaugh and Gorsuch were unlikely to uphold Roe. The idea that they were tricked is laughable. They were willingly in on the con.

(Ironically, I'd actually be sympathetic to the idea of just voting to confirm the president's nominees regardless of ideology, if they were honest about it. And if Congress had also voted to confirm Merrick Garland.)

multivita-man · Jun 24, 2022

OrphanSlug said:
Does not matter now, both Collins and Manchin were dumb enough to believe these guys and now the nation pays the price for states having no limit in who they go after, marginalize, criminalize, and ensure have terrible outcomes.

You've now seen the rise of the Christian Taliban, and they are not done.

They weren't dumb; they knew. We're talking about Senators who've been in office for decades. They're not naive, not the kind of people who get misled. Their careers depend on them being able to read people and knowing the difference between shit and sugar. These justices were part of the Federalist all-star team. They were picked for a reason, and there's no way they didn't know this would be the outcome.

CaughtInThe · Jun 24, 2022

the right wing TOP JUDGES in our country are massive liars.

does that surprise anyone?

Helix · Jun 24, 2022

Anyone who was misled by these justices wanted to be misled or is exceptionally dull. I'm guessing that it's the former.

Court Jester · Jun 24, 2022

Gatsby said:
Obviously they knew that Kavanaugh and Gorsuch were unlikely to uphold Roe. The idea that they were tricked is laughable. They were willingly in on the con.

Both Collins and Manchin are moderates in their respective parties, BOTH elected to serve in states which are opposite to the prevailing voter affiliation in each of their states. So, naturally as politicians which have to exist in those two states, they will have sound as if they were shocked by the decision of Kavanaugh and Gorsuch.

If Republicans in West Virginia want a sure bet conservative senator, then they should have elected a Republican there, and the same could be said for Democrats in Maine as well.

Gatsby said:
(Ironically, I'd actually be sympathetic to the idea of just voting to confirm the president's nominees regardless of ideology, if they were honest about it. And if Congress had also voted to confirm Merrick Garland.)

Neither Gorsuch or Kavanaugh were obliged to say how they would vote in any possible future case before the court, not anymore than any judge who was nominated by a Democrat and who is liberal.

Elections matter, and PRESIDENTS nominate justices, and the Senate confirms them. Donald Trump was able to nominate three conservative justices in his single term. But rather than be angry at Trump, or angry at the Senate, maybe Democrats should be angry at the way the Clinton political machine was able to FORCE an unpopular candidate to the forefront who could not even beat somebody like Donald Trump. That is where the blame belongs.

Checkerboard Strangler · Jun 24, 2022

Oh oh oh, Auntie Susan is "concerned" again!

Real Korimyr #9 · Jun 24, 2022

That is every branch of the government that lies to get into office, lies about what they're going to do in office, and lies about the obligations and limitations of their offices.

We cannot count on any branch or any level of our government to protect our rights or protect our welfare. We cannot count on any of our political parties to do so.

The social contract is broken and our government is illegitimate.

Gatsby · Jun 24, 2022

Court Jester said:
Both Collins and Manchin are moderates in their respective parties, BOTH elected to serve in states which are opposite to the prevailing voter affiliation in each of their states. So, naturally as politicians which have to exist in those two states, they will have sound as if they were shocked by the decision of Kavanaugh and Gorsuch.

I agree. I think "Voting for conservative priorities, but pretending to be unhappy about it" is an underrated path to electoral success in both Maine and West Virginia.

Neither Gorsuch or Kavanaugh were obliged to say how they would vote in any possible future case before the court, not anymore than any judge who was nominated by a Democrat and who is liberal.

Yes. I don't believe for one second that either of them gave Collins/Manchin any sort of private assurance, much less that they believed the private assurance.

Elections matter, and PRESIDENTS nominate justices, and the Senate confirms them. Donald Trump was able to nominate three conservative justices in his single term. But rather than be angry at Trump, or angry at the Senate, maybe Democrats should be angry at the way the Clinton political machine was able to FORCE an unpopular candidate to the forefront who could not even beat somebody like Donald Trump. That is where the blame belongs.

I'm not angry at Hillary Clinton, but yes, being seen as more moderate on issues is generally a good thing for a candidate's electoral prospects.

Variant · Jun 24, 2022