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The Buckeyes have something special added to their uniform for the Sugar Bowl.

A tee shirt under their uniform and a pair of gloves printed with Woody Hayes's notes from his last chalkboard session.

What, this?

 

[vesper]

What, this?

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Looks like there are OSU Fans all over this country! :lol:

 

[vesper]

Woody Hayes is a legend in my parts. He led the Buckeyes to over 200 wins as coach at OSU. With a record of 205-61-10, 5 national championships, 13 big ten titles, and eight Rose bowls he is the most decorated Ohio State Head Coach ever. However, he was human. He had a temper and was fined on several occasions for displaying it. Something else that isn't Political Correct these days is being honest that winning is what matters in college football which Hayes was always upfront. Especially in light of sports these days starting at a very young age, teach kids that everyone is a winner. Every team member gets a trophy even if you are on the losing team. Heck some places don't even keep score cause they don't want any hurt feelings. His game at Clemson in the Gator Bowl was his last. His temper help cost his own team the game at Clemson. His last chalkboard session is enshrined at OSU. Those of us who know the history of Hayes understand how profound it is to have those last chalkboard notes placed on the clothing the Buckeyes will be wearing. In the spirit of Hayes, its about winning.

 

[Wiggen]

No love for the Pac-12 and my Wildcats?

Football doesn't exist outside the South. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

 

[Slyfox696]

I offered no surrender.

You yawned at facts, which is an obvious example of giving up in a way to try and preserve your ego. That was your surrender, and I accepted.

I merely pointed out that you seem a bit emotional over how the Football playoff rankings turned out.

No, I just hate how they were decided. I can't say I'm surprised you can't tell the difference.

Have you considered full-time Truthing? Perhaps a lateral move to 'political media conspiracy'.

:roll:

I think it's funny how you and Obamacare do the same thing. You can't argue with facts and reason, so instead you just deflect and make incendiary statements.

 

[chromium]

If anything it will make the conference stronger. Then there will be no reason for the playoff committee to snub them because of no conference championship game.

Or, maybe Texas and Notre Dame can start a conference of two. TV deals haven't seemed to help their football programs win, have they?

You're right, tv ratings don't determine who wins, but no conference will add a team without new tv market in the age of huge HD tvs. TV market is also only reason penn st wasn't kicked instantly after the scandal broke, only reason they invited maryland/rutgers who have NO business being in a midwest conference (same with WVU/big12). So 1 big reason there's no attractive expansion options, except maybe central florida

They wouldn't get "snubbed" with a CCG, but texas alums would *hate* playing 2 more crap teams every year. They already lost a&m, nebraska, mizzou. It's just like ohio fans are livid and some want to leave the conference cause of a division with maryland, rutgers, indiana. Speaking of which, how will you balance things with OU/texas in same division? But they won't drop that rivalry, for sure.

Attendance is going down at texas already, owing in part to boring schedule and there's real sentiment a&m made the right choice by going to a tougher conference

I see 2 possibilities. One is auto bids start with 8 team playoff and there goes the pressure to add 2 teams. Big 12 would be smart to wait it out, but it's up to texas and to lesser extent OU, not kansas baylor etc.

Or texas could as soon as the tv deal ends go with the last plan and join PAC-12 along with OU, tech, 1 other. Really any conference would take texas or ND. Soon as the playoff expands to 8 and auto bids to conf winners begin, ND will have to anyway.

 

[chromium]

Have you considered full-time Truthing? Perhaps a lateral move to 'political media conspiracy'.

He acts like tcu/baylor woulda gotten in under a 2 team BCS, where unbeaten rose bowl champs tcu were ranked like 3rd behind 2 loss teams. And yeah, they had a better schedule that year. Mountain west > iowa st

College football has *always* been corrupt, but i'll take this committee 4 team playoff any idea over the old system

 

[chromium]

I think I would give the edge to Sims.

Alabama has the best receiver, Amari Cooper, in college football, period.

If Alabama has a weakness its with their DBs and maybe FG kicker.

Blake Sims Stats, News, Videos, Pictures, Bio - Alabama Crimson Tide - ESPN

Jameis Winston Stats, News, Videos, Pictures, Bio - Florida State Seminoles - ESPN

How bout the wisconsin running back? 180 yards/game and 2.5 tds, 400+ yards in *3 quarters*

 

[Slyfox696]

He acts like tcu/baylor woulda gotten in under a 2 team BCS

No, they wouldn't have, but at least we would have known why things were the way they were. We still have no explanation how TCU can be, according to the committee, the third best team in the country, win by 50+ points against a power conference team and become the 6th best team in the country overnight.

That does not make any sense.

College football has *always* been corrupt, but i'll take this committee 4 team playoff any idea over the old system

Or we could have a system similar to the BCS which uses a defined formula to rank the top teams for a playoff, instead of allowing an arbitrarily selected committee decide using whatever random criteria they want to use.

Geez, now there's a thought. :roll:

 

[ecofarm]

You can't argue with facts and reason, so instead you just deflect and make incendiary statements.

The SEC is a hologram. There were no wins. The NC was brought down by controlled demolition. The media is involved.

:shrug:

I think my mocking of your argument wins. Without a single stat or fact, your position looks -and is- ridiculous. It's not a giant conspiracy.

 

[chromium]

No, they wouldn't have, but at least we would have known why things were the way they were. We still have no explanation how TCU can be, according to the committee, the third best team in the country, win by 50+ points against a power conference team and become the 6th best team in the country overnight.

You'd get explanations from the polls? How about when 1 coach picked michigan 7th in 1997 (12-0) and they anoitted nebraksa #1 as a retirement gift for osborne? I guess that was transparent as hell. You'd prefer that over this?

Or we could have a system similar to the BCS which uses a defined formula to rank the top teams for a playoff, instead of allowing an arbitrarily selected committee decide using whatever random criteria they want to use.

That formula was heavily weighted towards the polls. What else could they do, mathematically compare internal schedules? *Every* ncaa sport uses a committee for its postseason, except for hockey, which has enough head to head/common opponent matches to utilize a truly mathematical formula free of human favoritism/bribes. Football is far from this, and looking at baylor's future scheduling, they are not helping change that or making a case to be taken over other 1 loss teams. I mean, 1 "power 5" opponent next 5 years and it's duke

But if you're convinced ohio was taken due to ratings or corruption, you have your explanation. Just don't pretend that the CCG reason is totally invalid like texas didn't run off 4 other teams, lose their CCG, and teams like baylor turn around and grant an exclusive network to the same team that did this, just to stay part of the cartel (power 5). Then teams like tcu join that situation knowing full well what they signed up for. They don't get my sympathy either way, and i rooted for them before they joined

 

[Slyfox696]

Without a single stat or fact, your position looks -and is- ridiculous.

I've provided numerous facts and statistics. If you're not going to honestly address the numerous points I've made in this thread, usually concrete evidence and statistics, why are you wasting our time? Your post is incredibly dishonest.

In fact, I don't believe you've even once addressed the numerous examples and facts and statistics I've presented. All you've really done is make generic and vague statements, most of them wanting in logic. Why do you even post in this thread?

You'd get explanations from the polls? How about when 1 coach picked michigan 7th in 1997 (12-0) and they anoitted nebraksa #1 as a retirement gift for osborne? I guess that was transparent as hell. You'd prefer that over this?

Did I say I prefer using only the polls over this? No, I did not. I said I want a system where the criteria is laid out beforehand and there's a definitive process to determine the rankings.

Why is it so hard for people in this thread to discuss the things I say? It's an epidemic.

That formula was heavily weighted towards the polls.

And the formula was constantly being tweaked. It still could. But at least you knew WHY the teams were chosen...you do not have that anymore.

But if you're convinced ohio was taken due to ratings or corruption

I have not put forth that argument once. Again, people debate things I never said while ignoring the copious amounts of concrete evidence and facts I've provided.

 

[chromium]

Did I say I prefer using only the polls over this? No, I did not. I said I want a system where the criteria is laid out beforehand and there's a definitive process to determine the rankings.

We all would like that, but there is no getting around the interjection of human opinion, when the teams under consideration don't schedule each other or even common opponents. Lack of data points makes any formula weak

The only way to get around this dilemma is increase the size of the playoff, or improved scheduling

 

[Slyfox696]

We all would like that, but there is no getting around the interjection of human opinion, when the teams under consideration don't schedule each other or even common opponents. Lack of data points makes any formula weak

But weak formula is not the problem right now. Obviously in a small sample size it's nearly impossible to come up with a perfect formula. But the system we have now has NO logic to it. Sure there are guidelines they claim to follow, but they don't follow them. The committee seemed to have no consistency this year in determining who was ranked how. That's the problem I have.

Having multiple national champions, as they did in the old days, was definitely not the answer. The BCS system was imperfect...but only because the #3 could legitimately be better than either of the #1 or #2 teams. But we have a playoff now. One of the biggest objections to the BCS has been severely marginalized...so why did we go from the BCS system to an arbitrarily selected committee whose decisions are, ultimately, fairly arbitrary?

It doesn't make any sense. If the committee had shown any sense of logic (or, more importantly, consistency) then my objections would be lessened (though still present, given the lack of defined criteria). But they didn't. The committee constantly was contradicting themselves and the supposed guidelines of the committee. And their inability to do anything right just illustrates how poor the committee idea when dealing with only 4 teams is.

This isn't the NCAA Basketball tournament. The last team in the football playoff has a legitimate chance to win the title. The teams deserve better than what they got this year.

The only way to get around this dilemma is increase the size of the playoff, or improved scheduling

We should have had an 8 team playoff from the beginning. And we should do away with counting FCS games as victories. If you can't even play someone in the correct division, you should be penalized for it.

 

[ecofarm]

I've provided numerous facts and statistics. If you're not going to honestly address the numerous points I've made in this thread, usually concrete evidence and statistics,

why are you wasting our time? Your post is incredibly dishonest.

In fact, I don't believe you've even once addressed the numerous examples and facts and statistics I've presented. All you've really done is make generic and vague statements, most of them wanting in logic. Why do you even post in this thread?
Did I say I prefer using only the polls over this? No, I did not. I said I want a system where the criteria is laid out beforehand and there's a definitive process to determine the rankings.

Why is it so hard for people in this thread to discuss the things I say? It's an epidemic.

And the formula was constantly being tweaked. It still could. But at least you knew WHY the teams were chosen...you do not have that anymore.

I have not put forth that argument once. Again, people debate things I never said while ignoring the copious amounts of concrete evidence and facts I've provided.

It's like you're playing Mad-Libs with a Truther fill-in-the-blanks for the not-bolded parts.

If that mountain of evidence lead to the conclusion you claim, why does everyone laugh at your pro-SEC ncaa and media conspiracy?

 

[ecofarm]

It doesn't make any sense. If the committee had shown any sense of logic (or, more importantly, consistency) then my objections would be lessened (though still present, given the lack of defined criteria). But they didn't. The committee constantly was contradicting themselves and the supposed guidelines of the committee. And their inability to do anything right just illustrates how poor the committee idea when dealing with only 4 teams is.

Seriously, that's just substituting committee for government. The committee is either corrupt or insane.

And we should do away with counting FCS games as victories. If you can't even play someone in the correct division, you should be penalized for it.

FCS teams need to play top teams if they're to grow. The ncaa cutting off its roots seems dumb. Playing a lower div team once every couple years helps those schools upgrade their programs.

 

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How bout the wisconsin running back? 180 yards/game and 2.5 tds, 400+ yards in *3 quarters*

I was comparing FSU to Alabama.

 

[chromium]

But weak formula is not the problem right now. Obviously in a small sample size it's nearly impossible to come up with a perfect formula. But the system we have now has NO logic to it. Sure there are guidelines they claim to follow, but they don't follow them. The committee seemed to have no consistency this year in determining who was ranked how. That's the problem I have.

I'll tell you what they could do easily is have a simple rule like two 1 loss teams, if one beat the other, that team is ranked ahead no matter what. They could say scheduling a "power 5" team counts for extra 1/2 win or - 1/2 loss.

Instead, their ultimate mandate was "best teams" which is....who the hell knows. They probably put ohio behind tcu until seeing if the QB injury would embarrass them. But even supposing we *know* that's the case, what can the teams do about it? "Hey let's not have injuries" I really think they need a strict criteria about scheduling most of all

This isn't the NCAA Basketball tournament. The last team in the football playoff has a legitimate chance to win the title. The teams deserve better than what they got this year.

We should have had an 8 team playoff from the beginning. And we should do away with counting FCS games as victories. If you can't even play someone in the correct division, you should be penalized for it.

Which is why 8 team playoff would solve this, because even if the "wrong" team is 9th, they can't bitch after losing 2-3 games. Try harder next time and all. And yeah, FCS wins didn't used to count towards bowl eligibility, so they were never scheduled. However, scheduling a MAC or Sun Belt team ain't much better, especially once the power 5 start paying players.

 

[chromium]

FCS teams need to play top teams if they're to grow. The ncaa cutting off its roots seems dumb. Playing a lower div team once every couple years helps those schools upgrade their programs.

I'm sure that's why sec teams play 2 fcs teams a year, to allow them to grow. So generous of them

Admit it, sec is afraid

 

[MAGAnificent]

You yawned at facts, which is an obvious example of giving up in a way to try and preserve your ego. That was your surrender, and I accepted.

I yawn at you repeating your own version of the facts ad nauseum. Do you need help with the definition of yawn?

1.involuntarily open one's mouth wide and inhale deeply due to tiredness or boredom.

It was boredom in this case.

No, I just hate how they were decided. I can't say I'm surprised you can't tell the difference.
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Most of us are emotionally settled enough to live with the system that all of the universities voted for or find another sport to follow rather then whining that you do not agree with the picks. Does that clear it up for you?

I think it's funny how you and Obamacare do the same thing. You can't argue with facts and reason, so instead you just deflect and make incendiary statements.

Perhaps at some point in your life, you will work out that those who vote on the rankings and playoff berths have a lot more knowledge about college football and which teams deserve which ranking then you do. Your ego is getting in the way of your objectivity.

 

[azgreg]

Gary Andersen leaves Wisconsin for Oregon St. Did not see that one coming.

 

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Gary Andersen leaves Wisconsin for Oregon St. Did not see that one coming.

Melvin Gordon to Declare for 2015 NFL Draft

Double whammy.

Melvin Gordon to Declare for 2015 NFL Draft: Latest Details and Reaction | Bleacher Report

 

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What's this all about?

For the second time in three seasons, the University of Wisconsin has been left reeling as their head football coach departs for a less successful program.

Wisconsin Football Head Coach Search: Latest News and Speculation on Position | Bleacher Report

 

[austrianecon]

You're right, tv ratings don't determine who wins, but no conference will add a team without new tv market in the age of huge HD tvs. TV market is also only reason penn st wasn't kicked instantly after the scandal broke, only reason they invited maryland/rutgers who have NO business being in a midwest conference (same with WVU/big12). So 1 big reason there's no attractive expansion options, except maybe central florida

Don't talk as you know what's going on. Big Ten begged Penn State to join the Big Ten. Penn State was never ever gonna be kicked, because as you said.. money as it carries lots of markets. But because they had **** all against Penn State as emails released have show and NCAA is in a world of trouble in it's lawsuit vs Penn State (alums and JoePa's family).

I've long said privately to many I know.. that Penn State should leave the Big Ten after the miscarriage of NCAA justice. Talk with SEC schools about starting a "paying" players system and watch the NCAA fall into the abyss that is death. Penn State, Bama, and other SEC schools could do that with ease which is why NCAA is now discussing the issue.

 

[austrianecon]

The Buckeyes have something special added to their uniform for the Sugar Bowl.

A tee shirt under their uniform and a pair of gloves printed with Woody Hayes's notes from his last chalkboard session.

They will also be wearing new uniforms.

Very nice!

More $$$ for nike.