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CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missing?

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How could anyone manage to write a 700 word story on the stoning of women and honor killings, without once using the word "Muslim", "Islam" or "Islamic"?

I'll tell you how... Because Gayle Tzemach Lemmon, liberal journalist and author, is obviously a graduate of the school of "Political Correctness", where the facts take a back seat to the progressive agenda... That's how.

The article is here, or you can see how Jazz Shaw from HotAir.com evaluated it here.


I mean seriously?
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

The Definition of a Grim Thread: Find an op-ed from a far right source and proceed to blow a gasket in the fauxest of the faux outrage.
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

The Definition of a Grim Thread: Find an op-ed from a far right source and proceed to blow a gasket in the fauxest of the faux outrage.

You're a faster reader than I am. ;)

Hot Air is entitled to its point of view, and it is interesting that words such as "Muslim" aren't mentioned. One reasonable explanation is that for the writer, this is such a "duh" that she didn't think it merited attention.

And I thought the author's point--which was that all the hashtag/cyber-focus is great and all that but must be translated to action on the ground to protect women from both "honor killings" and lone psychos such as Elliot Rodger--was a good one. She says:

Much could be done if online activism led to real-life campaigning for concrete progress, such as:

-- Enacting and enforcing laws to protect girls as young as 8 and 9 from being married against their will

-- Providing aid and incentives to keep girls in schools -- built near their homes -- and to combat traditions that keep them out of the classroom

-- Pushing for more stringent laws in the United States and abroad to punish traffickers rather than children

-- Highlighting as role models the many fathers and brothers who value their daughters and allow them to pursue their futures unfettered, sometimes at the risk of their own safety and standing in society
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

How could anyone manage to write a 700 word story on the stoning of women and honor killings, without once using the word "Muslim", "Islam" or "Islamic"?

I'll tell you how... Because Gayle Tzemach Lemmon, liberal journalist and author, is obviously a graduate of the school of "Political Correctness", where the facts take a back seat to the progressive agenda... That's how.

The article is here, or you can see how Jazz Shaw from HotAir.com evaluated it here.


I mean seriously?
There are some things in this world which are ... you know ... obvious. It's Pakistan for God's sake.
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

How could anyone manage to write a 700 word story on the stoning of women and honor killings, without once using the word "Muslim", "Islam" or "Islamic"?

Well...Pakistan...stoning...honor killing...I have to think most readers would figure it out.:shrug:
I'm not sure mentioning Islam would have added anything to the story.
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

The Definition of a Grim Thread: Find an op-ed from a far right source and proceed to blow a gasket in the fauxest of the faux outrage.

Just more "workplace violence" right?
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

Well...Pakistan...stoning...honor killing...I have to think most readers would figure it out.:shrug:
I'm not sure mentioning Islam would have added anything to the story.

Honor killings, as well as stoning and the other practices toward women mentioned in this article are not exclusive to Pakistan, nor are they particularly synonymous with them, or any one nation. These acts against women happen frequently in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Libya, Saudi Arabia, and a whole list of other countries also.

You know as well as I, that these acts all have one common thread and are all rooted in the same thing... They are synonymous with sharia law, Muslims, and the Islam faith. To write an entire story about these things without mentioning where such behavior emanates, is really beyond belief.
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

How could anyone manage to write a 700 word story on the stoning of women and honor killings, without once using the word "Muslim", "Islam" or "Islamic"?

I'll tell you how... Because Gayle Tzemach Lemmon, liberal journalist and author, is obviously a graduate of the school of "Political Correctness", where the facts take a back seat to the progressive agenda... That's how.

The article is here, or you can see how Jazz Shaw from HotAir.com evaluated it here.


I mean seriously?
Maybe after reading that the stoning took place in Lahore, Pakistan, one would find it hard to think that the major religion was Hinduism? :roll:
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

How could anyone manage to write a 700 word story on the stoning of women and honor killings, without once using the word "Muslim", "Islam" or "Islamic"?

I'll tell you how... Because Gayle Tzemach Lemmon, liberal journalist and author, is obviously a graduate of the school of "Political Correctness", where the facts take a back seat to the progressive agenda... That's how.

The article is here, or you can see how Jazz Shaw from HotAir.com evaluated it here.


I mean seriously?

honor killings violate Sharia law......
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

What is the relationship between ‘honour killing’ and Islam?
The notion that Islam condones ‘honour killing’ is a misconception. Murder in the name of honour is not prescribed by any interpretation of Sharia. In fact, many laws that excuse ‘honour killings’ (see below) do not trace back to Islamic law, but are rather derived from the Napoleonic code. Article 324 of the Napoleonic Penal Code states that murder committed by a husband on his wife is excusable in the case of adultery. This law, as implemented in many nations, has been misappropriated and entangled with various cultural notions of “honour”. As a result, such interpretations of an ‘honourable motive’ have been broadened by cultural context, and has served to perpetuate ‘honour killing’ and honour-based violence in these societies. Furthermore, reputable Islamic scholars and clerics have spoken out against the practice of ‘honour killings.’
As Katherine Zoepf reported in the New York Times, (September 23, 2007): “Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, the top Shiite cleric and spiritual leader of Hezbollah, issued a fatwa banning honour killing and describing it as “a repulsive act, condemned and prohibited by religion.” And earlier this year, Egypt’s grand mufti upheld a fatwa stating that Islam permits a woman to have her virginity “refurbished” through hymen surgery, which would allow her to marry and would eliminate the need to cleanse the so-called stain on her family’s honour. He even appeared on national television to advise Egyptian women considering the procedure. Although the ruling has been assailed by conservative scholars, it has been welcomed by those who hope it will prevent future honour killings.” Other respected Islamic scholars and clerics have continued to speak out against ‘honour killings’ in many other countries.
- See more at: Frequently Asked Questions About
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

There is no historical background in Islam for "honour killing". No verse in the holy Quran and no saying of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) sanctions such crimes. There were no cases of "honour killing" during the early period of Islam. This is a concept that seems to have appeared only recently, and is based only upon ignorance of the true teachings of Islam, and perhaps some ancient customs that pre-date Islam. Does Islam Approve Of Honour Killings Of Women?
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

There is no historical background in Islam for "honour killing". No verse in the holy Quran and no saying of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) sanctions such crimes. There were no cases of "honour killing" during the early period of Islam. This is a concept that seems to have appeared only recently, and is based only upon ignorance of the true teachings of Islam, and perhaps some ancient customs that pre-date Islam. Does Islam Approve Of Honour Killings Of Women?

I don't know...but apparently there are a lot of Islam members that do.
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

The Definition of a Grim Thread: Find an op-ed from a far right source and proceed to blow a gasket in the fauxest of the faux outrage.
Oh Yeah, CNN.com and Gayle Lemmon are "Far Right Sources".
CNN is now Stormfront...
Rather, the problem is YOUR blind PC, Not CNN nor the author.

About | Gayle Tzemach Lemmon
Gayle Tzemach Lemmon is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and the author of The Dressmaker of Khair Khana, a New York Times best seller published in March 2011 by HarperCollins, about a young entrepreneur who supported her community under the Taliban.

Gayle is a contributor to The Atlantic’s DefenseOne site, writing regularly on national security and foreign policy issues. In October 2013, she wrote the first story about how the military could not pay death benefits to fallen soldiers killed in Afghanistan during the government shutdown. As a contributing editor at Newsweek Daily Beast in 2011,
Gayle wrote the first Tina Brown Newsweek cover story on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s push to put women at the center of U.S. foreign policy
.

Gayle began her career as a journalist in Washington. From 1997 to 2004, she covered presidential politics and public policy issues for the ABC News Political Unit and served as an editorial producer during the first year of “This Week with George Stephanopoulos.”

In 2004, she left ABC News to pursue her interest in international development and began MBA study at Harvard. After business school, she served as a vice president at the global investment firm PIMCO, where she worked in the executive office and in emerging markets.

Gayle has reported on Afghanistan since 2005, when she made her first trip to the country. She has written about the country’s politics and economy, the evolving roles of Afghan women, and the small but important class of young entrepreneurs, for publications including The New York Times, The Financial Times, Fast Company, The Christian Science Monitor, and Newsweek Daily Beast.

Writing regularly on entrepreneurship, with a focus on fragile states and developing economies, Gayle has consulted for the World Bank and co-wrote a 2008 report on “Doing Business in Africa.” She is also the author of Entrepreneurship in Postconflict Zones, a CFR working paper on arguing for comprehensive, long-term, collaborative approaches to help entrepreneurs in conflict and postconflict countries overcome challenges in accessing capital, markets, networks, and business-skills training.

In December 2013, she published a policy innovation memorandum titled “Banking on Growth,” making the case for why the United States should support the creation of an American development bank to invest in small and medium-size businesses in the world’s toughest economies. In 2010, she was featured on the cover <of the Harvard Business School alumni magazine for her work on entrepreneurs in conflict and postconflict zones.

In addition to her work on foreign policy and the fight to end child marriage, Gayle has written a number of pieces about women and girls for The Atlantic, including “We Need to Tell Girls They Can Have It All (Even If They Can’t),” which is mentioned [a1] in Sheryl Sandberg’s 2013 book Lean In: Women, Work, and the Will to Lead. She has also written about the lessons she learned growing up in a community of single mothers.

Gayle regularly appears on a number of broadcast networks, including PBS, MSNBC, CNN and National Public Radio, to discuss foreign policy issues. In December 2011, she gave the opening talk at TEDxWomen, which focused on why investing in women can make the difference for the global economy. Her presentation was named a “TED Talk of the Day.”

Gayle graduated summa cum laude from the University of Missouri with a bachelor’s degree in journalism. She received an MBA from Harvard, as well as the 2006 Dean’s Award for her work on women’s entrepreneurship. She served as a Fulbright scholar in Spain and a Robert Bosch Foundation fellow in Germany. She speaks Spanish, German, and French, and is conversant in Dari. She serves on the boards of Mercy Corps and the International Center for Research on Women.

Currently, she is working on her second book, which is expected by the first quarter of 2015.
Oh Yeah Boogieman, you uncovered another Closet Nazi!
OR...
Just betrayed your own Irrational PC.

PS: any of those who 'liked' your post, (as PC is the board's largest and most mindless party) are welcome to reply - or apologize - too.
 
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What is the relationship between ‘honour killing’ and Islam?
The notion that Islam condones ‘honour killing’ is a misconception. Murder in the name of honour is not prescribed by any interpretation of Sharia. In fact, many laws that excuse ‘honour killings’ (see below) do not trace back to Islamic law, but are rather derived from the Napoleonic code. Article 324 of the Napoleonic Penal Code states that murder committed by a husband on his wife is excusable in the case of adultery. This law, as implemented in many nations, has been misappropriated and entangled with various cultural notions of “honour”. As a result, such interpretations of an ‘honourable motive’ have been broadened by cultural context, and has served to perpetuate ‘honour killing’ and honour-based violence in these societies. Furthermore, reputable Islamic scholars and clerics have spoken out against the practice of ‘honour killings.’
As Katherine Zoepf reported in the New York Times, (September 23, 2007): “Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, the top Shiite cleric and spiritual leader of Hezbollah, issued a fatwa banning honour killing and describing it as “a repulsive act, condemned and prohibited by religion.” And earlier this year, Egypt’s grand mufti upheld a fatwa stating that Islam permits a woman to have her virginity “refurbished” through hymen surgery, which would allow her to marry and would eliminate the need to cleanse the so-called stain on her family’s honour. He even appeared on national television to advise Egyptian women considering the procedure. Although the ruling has been assailed by conservative scholars, it has been welcomed by those who hope it will prevent future honour killings.” Other respected Islamic scholars and clerics have continued to speak out against ‘honour killings’ in many other countries.
- See more at: Frequently Asked Questions About

This reminds me of the many times I've heard people from the left proclaim "Not all Muslims are terrorists", but at the same time never seem to hear it when someone says back to them "But nearly all acts of terrorism world wide, are committed by Muslims".

So am I to understand that you and other liberals are trying to defend this by claiming that honor killings and the stoning of women are not synonymous with Islam?
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

honor killings violate Sharia law......

So I guess it's just the worlds most unbelievable coincidence that most of them are committed by Muslims.
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

There is no historical background in Islam for "honour killing". No verse in the holy Quran and no saying of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) sanctions such crimes. There were no cases of "honour killing" during the early period of Islam. This is a concept that seems to have appeared only recently, and is based only upon ignorance of the true teachings of Islam, and perhaps some ancient customs that pre-date Islam. Does Islam Approve Of Honour Killings Of Women?

Of course early Islam practiced pedophilia, mass murder, aggressive conquest, looting of the great cities of Egypt, destruction of jewish sites to build Muslim mosques, eradication of Christian Berbers, slavery and subjugation of the African people (btw who do you think actually sold slaves to the Europeans, the Arabs!) but at least they didn't condone honor killing so we will give them a pass on the small stuff.

and regardless of whatever versus from the qu'ran you can pull out, the simple fact is, subjugation of women through physical violence is common practice in the muslim world. it is seen as mainstream, you go for the haj in Mecca right? you pause to take a look at the map and realize what country it's in, and that country even has religious police, in one case Saudi religious police allowed a bunch girls to die in a fire at a girls school because it would violate their perception of islamic law if the firefighters touched the girls to get them out of there. so don't lecture everyone else about what islam really says, show us what it really says by cleaning house.
 
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PS: any of those who 'liked' your post, (as PC is the board's largest and most mindless party) are welcome to reply - or apologize - too.

I don't expect that you'll see either from any of them... They are not known for doing anything that contradicts theit progressive political beliefs.

Of course if one of them does, I will gladly apologize and retract what I said.
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

I just looked up "Honor killings in the US" and Wikipedia provided 5 instances. Here are some of the details and who committed those killings, and I'm shocked I tell you... SHOCKED.

1. In 1989 in St. Louis, Missouri, sixteen-year-old Palestina (Tina) Isa was murdered by her Palestinian father, Zein Isa, with the aid of her Brazilian mother, Maria Isa. Their daughter listened to American popular music such as dance, rap, R&B, and rock. After learning that Palestina had taken a part-time job without her parents' permission, and dated a non-Muslim African American man, her father felt she had become too Westernized. On the day of her murder, Zein repeatedly stabbed his daughter Tina, while her mother Maria held her down.[SUP][1][/SUP]

2. Rashid is said to have strangled Kanwal to death with a bungee cord after she tried to end her arranged marriage. Chaudhry Rashid was then sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole

3. Amina and Sarah Said were the children of Egyptian immigrant Yaser Abdel Said... The girls were found shot to death in a taxi at the Omni Mandalay Hotel, in Irving, Texas, January 1, 2008. At 7:33 pm CT a call came into the Irving Police Department’s 911 call center. The call was from Sarah Said. She had been shot 9 times and told the operator “My Dad shot me and my sister, I’m dying!”. Their mother, Patricia Said, claims both girls were killed for having non-Muslim boyfriends.

4. In February 2009, Muzzammil Hassan was arrested and charged with murdering his estranged wife Aasiya Zubair with a knife and sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.

5. Faleh Hassan Almaleki, an Iraqi immigrant, struck and killed his daughter Noor Almaleki, 20, in a Phoenix valley parking lot in October 2009, and also injured her boyfriend's mother Amal Khalaf. Police said Almaleki told detectives and witnesses after the October 2009 incident that he was angry at his daughter because she was "too Westernized," defying Iraqi and Muslim values.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing_in_the_United_States


The reason I'm shocked is because none of those honor killings was committed by someone who came from Pakistan... Of course there was one common thread, now wasn't there?
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

I just looked up "Honor killings in the US" and Wikipedia provided 5 instances. Here are some of the details and who committed those killings, and I'm shocked I tell you... SHOCKED.

1. In 1989 in St. Louis, Missouri, sixteen-year-old Palestina (Tina) Isa was murdered by her Palestinian father, Zein Isa, with the aid of her Brazilian mother, Maria Isa. Their daughter listened to American popular music such as dance, rap, R&B, and rock. After learning that Palestina had taken a part-time job without her parents' permission, and dated a non-Muslim African American man, her father felt she had become too Westernized. On the day of her murder, Zein repeatedly stabbed his daughter Tina, while her mother Maria held her down.[SUP][1][/SUP]

2. Rashid is said to have strangled Kanwal to death with a bungee cord after she tried to end her arranged marriage. Chaudhry Rashid was then sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole

3. Amina and Sarah Said were the children of Egyptian immigrant Yaser Abdel Said... The girls were found shot to death in a taxi at the Omni Mandalay Hotel, in Irving, Texas, January 1, 2008. At 7:33 pm CT a call came into the Irving Police Department’s 911 call center. The call was from Sarah Said. She had been shot 9 times and told the operator “My Dad shot me and my sister, I’m dying!”. Their mother, Patricia Said, claims both girls were killed for having non-Muslim boyfriends.

4. In February 2009, Muzzammil Hassan was arrested and charged with murdering his estranged wife Aasiya Zubair with a knife and sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.

5. Faleh Hassan Almaleki, an Iraqi immigrant, struck and killed his daughter Noor Almaleki, 20, in a Phoenix valley parking lot in October 2009, and also injured her boyfriend's mother Amal Khalaf. Police said Almaleki told detectives and witnesses after the October 2009 incident that he was angry at his daughter because she was "too Westernized," defying Iraqi and Muslim values.

Honor killing in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The reason I'm shocked is because none of those honor killings was committed by someone who came from Pakistan... Of course there was one common thread, now wasn't there?

Did you read this:

Leaders of the American Muslim community have unanimously condemned the practice. Members of the Council on American-Islamic Relations have condemned all honor killings as well as specific incidents.[12] Many Muslim leaders in the US say that Islam does not promote honor killings and that the practice stems from sexism and tribal behavior that predates the religion. "You're always going to get problems with chauvinism and suppressing vulnerable populations and gender discrimination," says Salam Al-Marayati, executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council.[13]

 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

How could anyone manage to write a 700 word story on the stoning of women and honor killings, without once using the word "Muslim", "Islam" or "Islamic"?

I'll tell you how... Because Gayle Tzemach Lemmon, liberal journalist and author, is obviously a graduate of the school of "Political Correctness", where the facts take a back seat to the progressive agenda... That's how.

The article is here, or you can see how Jazz Shaw from HotAir.com evaluated it here.


I mean seriously?

Maybe she wanted to leave it open just in case you christians wanted to start listening to your bible again. There are literally dozens upon dozens of instances where the bible condones honor killings.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 ESV / 18 helpful votes

“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Leviticus 24:16 ESV / 13 helpful votes

Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.

Leviticus 20:13 ESV / 10 helpful votes

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Deuteronomy 22:1-30 ESV / 4 helpful votes

“You shall not see your brother's ox or his sheep going astray and ignore them. You shall take them back to your brother. And if he does not live near you and you do not know who he is, you shall bring it home to your house, and it shall stay with you until your brother seeks it. Then you shall restore it to him. And you shall do the same with his donkey or with his garment, or with any lost thing of your brother's, which he loses and you find; you may not ignore it. You shall not see your brother's donkey or his ox fallen down by the way and ignore them. You shall help him to lift them up again. “A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

Exodus 31:15 ESV / 4 helpful votes

Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.

So it seems to me the only real difference between a radical muslim and a regular christian is that the former does what his holy book tells him while the latter doesn't.
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

Maybe she wanted to leave it open just in case you christians wanted to start listening to your bible again. There are literally dozens upon dozens of instances where the bible condones honor killings.

So Christians participate in honor killings too?

Could you link me to a recent one please... Lets say in the last 100 years?

,,,and p.s. I'm not a Christian.



So it seems to me the only real difference between a radical muslim and a regular christian is that the former does what his holy book tells him while the latter doesn't.

OK, so you are saying that Muslims (who stone women and committing honor killings) are better human beings than Christians (who don't stone women and don't commit honor killings) because they act upon their millinium old religious book, and Christians don't.

What wonderful logic.
 
Re: CNN publishes 700 word op-ed on "honor killings", but guess what words are missin

So Christians participate in honor killings too?

Could you link me to a recent one please... Lets say in the last 100 years?

,,,and p.s. I'm not a Christian.





OK, so you are saying that Muslims (who stone women and committing honor killings) are better human beings than Christians (who don't stone women and don't commit honor killings) because they act upon their millinium old religious book, and Christians don't.

What wonderful logic.

Seems like you let your true colors shine. When did I say following their holy book makes them better people? I think the further people distance themselves from their holy book, the better they become. Christians don't follow their book anymore because it is chock full of horrible, horrible things like honor killings. What I said was that they are better religious nuts than christians because they do follow their dogma, not that they're better people.

It wasn't until about 250 years ago that christians stopped frequent honor killings, and the only reason for that was western society stopped letting them do it. Unfortunately the middle east is also cursed by their religious freaks, but their society hasn't caught up far enough to stop letting them do such things.

I'm glad the enlightenment happened or we'd be suffering through the same issues they are now.
 
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This reminds me of the many times I've heard people from the left proclaim "Not all Muslims are terrorists", but at the same time never seem to hear it when someone says back to them "But nearly all acts of terrorism world wide, are committed by Muslims".

So am I to understand that you and other liberals are trying to defend this by claiming that honor killings and the stoning of women are not synonymous with Islam?

I am stating without question that honoring killings are non-Islamic and I showed you why.
If you think otherwise prove it.
 
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So I guess it's just the worlds most unbelievable coincidence that most of them are committed by Muslims.

prove this statement.
 
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