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CNN labels ANTIFA and others "Anti-Hate" protesters

That you do is what it is. I don't have something to say about your doing so. As goes the context of the OP and thread title, the "no-goodnik" nature of the groups and people who participated in the rallies this past weekend isn't within the scope of what I addressed.

I watched the video and the big colorful sign I see folks marching with says "no hate." I saw myriad other signs that echoed that message. It's thus hard to say the "anti-hate" is an inapt adjective for describing the counter-protesters. That descriptor may or may not be comprehensive, but it's not inaccurate. (click the images to read the stories that accompany them)


I want to direct your attention to one image. I've circled the group in question.
The circled "A" is used by both anarchists and AntiFa alike although many AntiFa are interested in communism.

They employ the same tactics used by the anarchist groups which show up at WTO, G20 and at almost any rally in Berkeley these days.

So please, don't accuse me, a liberal, of lumping all the disparate groups together. I am focused on one group, one element.

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PS: The "ANSWER Coalition", while not generally violent, are mostly funded by CPUSA, which funds the world famous "International A.N.S.W.E.R." group, which has shown up literally everywhere.

I might be old and decrepit now but I've been doing this for a while and I actually know who these groups are.
 
How misinformed on our history you prove to be.

The KKK has never been of the GOP, National Socialism is more aligned with the American left than it has EVER have been with the American right. How much more wrong can you possibly be?

:lamo
 
Fell asleep in history class... or have a lying lib teacher, eh?

First off, a conservative should never be attacking the education level of anyone else. Second, Fascism is on the complete opposite side of the political spectrum. There is a reason Communists in Europe put their revolution on hold to stop the spread of Fascism. They are completely conflicting ideologies.

Nazism, racism, etc. have always been a product fueled by conservatives. There is a reason they are all running under the GOP ticket. :lamo
 
CNN shows us just how politically biased and out of touch with reality they really are... or another way to put it is, CNN demonstrates why people say they're full of ****.

View attachment 67238026

If you would like to hear them say it, skip to the 1:19 mark on the following video:



They have become such a joke.

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so i dont assume and make up stuff like some people i know what specifically do you have an issue with?
 
First off, a conservative should never be attacking the education level of anyone else. Second, Fascism is on the complete opposite side of the political spectrum. There is a reason Communists in Europe put their revolution on hold to stop the spread of Fascism. They are completely conflicting ideologies.

Nazism, racism, etc. have always been a product fueled by conservatives. There is a reason they are all running under the GOP ticket. :lamo

WRONG. WRONG 2. WRONG 3. WRONG 4. WRONG 5.

You need to do some, hell, a whole lotta reading up there pardner. Too much for me to cure here...sorry, no silver bullet, gonna have to work hard to overcome all that. Probably take years.

Dont give up.
 
It's OK to riot and assault journalist and other observers, just as long as you beat them within an inch of life. I am sure the guy that took a U-bar lock to a guys head, was trained in blunt force trauma to the head, just short of death.

Stand down...The photo was fake...Oh but you want to believe it anyway
 
Now you're equating Lyft and Uber refusing rides to Nazis as proof that there's only twenty left in existence|?
Goebbels would be proud of you. You should change your handle to Pebbles.

Yea... out of the whole country, that's all they could come up with... pathetic...

They don't have freaking professors on their side hitting people with bike locks.
 
Stand down...The photo was fake...Oh but you want to believe it anyway

So a guy was not busted in the head with a bike lock in Cali? I said nothing about the photo, are you another Antifa sympathizer or a member perhaps? But it's OK, the guy is not dead, just suffered a traumatic brain injury
Berkeley: Professor used bike lock in beatings, police say
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/05/24/berkeley-college-professor...

Bay Area college professor used U-shaped bike… Share this: Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window) ... Alleged Antifa bike lock attacker Eric Clanton held in Berkeley jail. Share this: ... He was arrested on three counts of suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon that isn’t a firearm and assault causing great bodily injury.
 

I guess you weren't around, or conscious for the whole MS-13 aren't animals fiasco that nearly democrat and news outlet got suckered into?
https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/29/opinions/trump-message-ms13-speech-opinion-reyes/index.html
They were basically desperate at this point.

It's common knowledge that nearly every media outlet with a left bend uses the SPLCs information.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cnn-modifies-story-on-the-southern-poverty-law-centers-bogus-list-of-hate-groups-adds-editors-note/article/2631875
 
It's OK to riot and assault journalist and other observers, just as long as you beat them within an inch of life. I am sure the guy that took a U-bar lock to a guys head, was trained in blunt force trauma to the head, just short of death.

And just because these terrorists stop just short of death, their apologists and supporters think that gives them some kind of moral superiority over those they attack.
 
And at that time I caught Hell for stating that, as a person of Jewish heritage,

As a Jew you like Antifa?

French Antifa: 'Palestine is from the Jordan river to the sea'


The Paris branch of the radical left Antifa (Antifascist Action) organization called for Israel’s destruction and for violent protests in that city against the United States’ recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

The call to arms by an organization which has resorted to violence in the past, came on Friday amid rioting in Israel in which at least six policemen were injured over US President Donald Trump’s declaration on Jerusalem Wednesday night.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/239085
 
The Jewish left has also helped sanitize the image of radical groups like Antifa (short for “Anti-Fascist”), with some commentators comparing them to the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee of the 1940s, while implicitly equating American conservatives with Nazis. There is no moral comparison, however, between Republicans and Nazis or Trump and Hitler.

And despite being labelled “Jewish,” the original Anti-Fascist Committee was largely a Soviet propaganda tool. It was not really established to fight fascism or save Jews from the Holocaust; and it was disbanded (and its chairman assassinated) when its members criticized Russian anti-Semitism and sought to aid Jewish refugees after the war. Thus, the attempt to sanctify today’s extremists by symmetry with a dubious political myth rings hollow.

Today’s Antifa movement claims to oppose all forms of bigotry, including anti-Semitism, but liberals should be troubled that many of the same anti-Israel academics behind BDS are among the loudest voices calling for a national Antifa campus network. Considering the anti-Semitism observed among supporters of the now irrelevant Occupy Wall Street movement, fears that Antifa will attract progressive bigots should be taken seriously.

Despite claiming to oppose all forms of bigotry, left-wing extremists nonetheless seem quite tolerant of Islamists who believe in jihad, genocide, and the subjugation of religious and ethnic minorities. Although Antifa does not have an institutional hierarchy that sets policy, it seems to draw from an ideological pool (i.e., the extreme left) that is inherently hostile to Israel and traditional Judaism. Accordingly, rather than coddle it, the liberal mainstream should be wary of its goals and skeptical of its intentions.

The liberal establishment, however, will not be up to the task if it continues soft-pedaling radicalism or claiming that progressive extremism is an understandable response to right-wing effrontery – characterizations with which federal law enforcement would likely disagree. According to recent reports, the FBI and Department of Homeland Security characterized Antifa’s activities as “domestic terrorism” in early 2016, although President Obama chose not to act on their observations or conclusions. Similarly, Obama did nothing to curb the growth of anti-Semitism during his tenure or to contain domestic Islamists and front organizations.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/21224
 
From the same article linked above:

And despite claims of rising Jew-hatred since Trump’s election, research has shown that much of the increase in anti-Semitic activity observed in recent years has been instigated by leftist and Islamist interests (though right-wing Jew-hatred certainly still exists). Consequently, placing sole blame on white supremacists for the current wave of anti-Semitism – including abuses by progressive thugs against Jewish students on liberal campuses across the country – is deceitful, ignorant, or cognitively dissonant.


If liberals today are really vexed by a lack of civility in public discourse, their failure to condemn the excesses of their compatriots is curious and troubling. President Trump has become a foil for them to deflect responsibility for their own incitement of hatred and social discord, which they euphemistically refer to as “the resistance.”

They accuse Trump of fostering bigotry against Jews (despite his history of supporting Israel and Jewish causes), while simultaneously facilitating progressive anti-Semitism by defending it as political speech or artfully blaming Israeli policies for engendering backlash. In so doing, they ignore the role their identity politics has played in creating divisiveness over the last eight years – perhaps more than any policy of Trump in his first nine months in office.
 
CNN shows us just how politically biased and out of touch with reality they really are... or another way to put it is, CNN demonstrates why people say they're full of ****.

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If you would like to hear them say it, skip to the 1:19 mark on the following video:



They have become such a joke.

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Why? Because they call (most likely for ease I would assume) groups people protesting hate groups as anti-hate groups? Lazy maybe but not really totally incorrect. People work with easy to understand concepts, hate versus not hate.

Antifa might justifiably be seen as violent against "hate groups", but it still is an group that protests hate groups.

All I see is people getting really angry about CNN based on their bias. Sadly that is the state of US politics and media.

And are they a joke? For conservatives yes, but for non-conservatives not really.

You may accuse CNN of bias, but isn't that also a biased view? Just like my views about Foxnews are biased against Foxnews (due to me not being a conservative).

Sadly news has become political just as politics itself.
 
That you do is what it is. I don't have something to say about your doing so. As goes the context of the OP and thread title, the "no-goodnik" nature of the groups and people who participated in the rallies this past weekend isn't within the scope of what I addressed.

I watched the video and the big colorful sign I see folks marching with says "no hate." I saw myriad other signs that echoed that message. It's thus hard to say the "anti-hate" is an inapt adjective for describing the counter-protesters. That descriptor may or may not be comprehensive, but it's not inaccurate. (click the images to read the stories that accompany them)

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Legally, "hate speech," broadly, is "speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits." Put another way:
Hate speech is a communication that carries no meaning other than the expression of hatred for some group, especially in circumstances in which the communication is likely to provoke violence. It is an incitement to hatred primarily against a group of persons defined in terms of race, ethnicity, national origin, gender, religion, sexual orientation, and the like. (Source)​
It's no great logical leap to infer that individuals and groups who, in promoting their own ideas, policy preferences, cultural comportment preferences, etc., utter hate speech must be hate groups and those groups' members, haters....unless one thinks such groups/persons so speaking and misrepresenting their own mindsets and emotions when they do so speak. By way of cogent inference, opponents of the aforementioned genre of groups'/individuals' must necessarily be anti-hate groups and its members opponents of haters.

  • Can one be simultaneously be a hater and a non-hater? No.
  • Can one be simultaneously a hater and something other than a non-hater? Yes.
  • Can one be simultaneously be a non-hater and something other than a hater? Yes.
  • Can one be a qualified hater? Yes; however, the things one hates must differ from those which one hates not.
  • Can one be a qualified non-hater? Yes; however, the things one hates not must differ from those, if any, which one hates.
  • Does the temporality of one's hate speech expression affect whether one is or isn't a hater? No.
From combining the above, one sees that depicting self-representationally using hate speech as white supremacist groups do makes one be a hater of a particular sort, and that opponents of the notions white supremacist groups/individuals express must be opponents of hate, at least of the sort espoused by white supremacists.

Insofar as an objection the OP-er raised is that CNN is biased, something the OP-er purports to have shown by presenting a video of a CNN newscast wherein the personalities in it described this past weekend's counter-protesters as "anti-hate" groups, it becomes incumbent on the OP-er, if s/he is to have the video presented taken as credible evidence of CNN's being biased, to show that using a factually and/or contextually accurate description of an individual necessarily evinces that one is biased.
  • If "Bill" weighs $300 pounds, is it biased to call him fat or obese? No, he is fat.
  • Is it biased to call Ellen Degeneres gay? No, she is gay.
While what constitutes being a hater and an opponent of hate/haters is not as binary a matter, sound/cogent inferences allow one to conclude accurately that the counter-protesters in D.C. this past weekend are, for whatever other adjectives aptly describe them, anti-hate protesters is an accurate one. Moreover, it may be among the best ones for collectively and succinctly doing so in that only some counter-protesters were anarchists, only a few were Antifa, etc.

Given the above, the rhetorical purpose of post 15 was to subtly allude briefly to the fact of the OP-er's assertions, to the extent they rely on or are illustrated by the content in the OP, about CNN's biased nature holding no water. (I get chided for "spelling things out in great detail," yet when I don't, I get responses that suggest the reader failed to suss the argument. It's a damned if I do and damned if I don't conundrum.)
I've told you before.
It's ponderous, man ... ponderous.
It's better to be damned for don't.
Strangler is right on this one.

I saw a picture of some of your Antifa faves with plastic garbage cans split in half to use as shields.
Quite the visual.
Really Really apropos.
Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
You should try it.
 
Off-Topic:

I've told you before.
It's ponderous, man ... ponderous.
It's better to be damned for don't.
Strangler is right on this one.

I saw a picture of some of your Antifa faves with plastic garbage cans split in half to use as shields.
Quite the visual.
Really Really apropos.
Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
You should try it.
Is there a reason that you chose to remark upon a parenthetical comment having absolutely nothing to to do with the topic of the post to which you responded nor to the thread topic itself? It's flattering that you opted to remark upon my musings about myself and about how people respond to my remarks, but truly, I suspect neither is what anyone, other maybe than you, actually wants to discuss.

Red:
  • Who are you? Why should I have any recollection of having interacted with you?
  • Who is Strangler and what did s/he say? Why should I have any recollection of having interacted with him/her?

Pink:
  • Who/what are my "Antifa faves?"
    • I have news for you: You don't get to declare what/who be my faves of any stripe.

Blue:
  • I suggest you review the logic of that saying for "they" say all sorts of things, and copious shares of what they say is absurd.

    Our biological penchant for imagery partly explains why the use of multimedia has become so ubiquitous online, in various presentations and documents, and so on, and that physiological preference effects a fundamental difference between communicating and receiving communications via pictures and words. While we can in parallel process images -- our species evolved to do so -- text, which is far newer than imagery, requires our visual system to individually scan individual characters, recognize them, and aggregate them into words, sentences, and so on. Accordingly and in terms of information processing -- encode, transmit, receive, decode -- then, there is a fundamental gap between the nature and extent of information text and images convey; however, just as words cannot existentially become pictures, pictures cannot replace words in terms of their ability to convey clear and unambiguous information.

    The inadequacy of pictures to replace words is readily shown by the following image which doesn't come close to conveying the concepts expressed in the prose the picture summarizes.


    Screen-Shot-2015-08-21-at-10.00.40.png



    Far more accurate yet far less pithy is it to say "a picture is a fine supplement to words when one cannot fully comprehend the words one encounters." Pictures are better than words as when the thing being communicated is tangible. To wit, carmakers would sell far fewer cars were consumers to have only the written/spoken depictions of the vehicles, even though words can describe them with absolute precision. Ideas, however, are only partially communicable via pictures. For instance, when I see the image above, I know instantly what it refers to, but the only reason I do is because I have read the words the picture partially illustrates.
 
So a guy was not busted in the head with a bike lock in Cali? I said nothing about the photo, are you another Antifa sympathizer or a member perhaps? But it's OK, the guy is not dead, just suffered a traumatic brain injury
Berkeley: Professor used bike lock in beatings, police say
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/05/24/berkeley-college-professor...

Bay Area college professor used U-shaped bike… Share this: Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window) ... Alleged Antifa bike lock attacker Eric Clanton held in Berkeley jail. Share this: ... He was arrested on three counts of suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon that isn’t a firearm and assault causing great bodily injury.

You sound frightened and scared.....Good
 
CNN shows us just how politically biased and out of touch with reality they really are... or another way to put it is, CNN demonstrates why people say they're full of ****.

View attachment 67238026

If you would like to hear them say it, skip to the 1:19 mark on the following video:



They have become such a joke.

.


I see the picture
i forwarded to the 1:19 mark like the OP said

what are we calling factually biased and out of touch with reality here?
what is the reason here to say that CNN is full of ****?

anybody?
 
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