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CNN GOP Debate 8pm EST

MarineTpartier said:
I can't believe Santorum doesn't get more traction. The guy is a great debater and really has no dirt. It kills me that Romney tried to go after him after Iowa, fell flat because there was nothing to say, and people didn't pay attention. He has had great debates ever since he took center stage in New Hampshire. The guy doesn't let Newt and Mitt finesse their way out of their shortcomings. I thought last nights best moment was when he would not let Romney talk his way out of Romneycare. It was great. Santorum was honestly infuriated that Romney was trying to lie and finagle his way out of that. We need more of that. It devolved into Romney saying "I don't think its something to get angry about". WHAT? That comment personified why I don't want Romney to be the nominee. He doesn't get angry about anything. Or sad, or happy, or any other emotion. He's just there. No passion about anything. Well, except money of course. Which is his only passion. Santorum is one tough hombre and he doesn't get nearly the credit he should. If any of the candidates personify Tea Party values, its him.
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Agreed.

Santorum showed his leadership qualities and character, but sadly, the *Romney fix* is in




 
Peter Grimm said:
Oh they know we're out there, they just don't give a damn. The Republican establishment thinks they know better than we do. They are doing everything they can to destroy any chance of a conservative winning the nomination, and if that means throwing conservatives under the bus so be it...they've done it before and we have srood by.
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I'm not voting for Romney. I don't care if he does win the nom. I just won't vote. I'm tired of settling.
 
ric27 said:
Agreed.

Santorum showed his leadership qualities and character, but sadly, the *Romney fix* is in
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I would vote for either Santorum or Gingrich. Both are fantastic in my mind.

Unfortunately, this thing is over. Romney has all but wrapped up Florida and the nomination.
 
MarineTpartier said:
I can't believe Santorum doesn't get more traction. .
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The guy is an extremist (especially with social values). While that may appeal to some of the hardliner teapartiers, that doesn't appeal to the majority of Independants that the right is going to need to beat Obama IMO. My wife's side of the family is a mix of GOP supporters and teaparty members, and they won't consider Santorum due to his views. Santorum appeals to the social conservatives, but social conservatism doesn't make up the majority in this country.

Also Teaparty does NOT equal social conservatism.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
I can't believe Santorum doesn't get more traction. The guy is a great debater and really has no dirt. It kills me that Romney tried to go after him after Iowa, fell flat because there was nothing to say, and people didn't pay attention. He has had great debates ever since he took center stage in New Hampshire. The guy doesn't let Newt and Mitt finesse their way out of their shortcomings. I thought last nights best moment was when he would not let Romney talk his way out of Romneycare. It was great. Santorum was honestly infuriated that Romney was trying to lie and finagle his way out of that. We need more of that. It devolved into Romney saying "I don't think its something to get angry about". WHAT? That comment personified why I don't want Romney to be the nominee. He doesn't get angry about anything. Or sad, or happy, or any other emotion. He's just there. No passion about anything. Well, except money of course. Which is his only passion. Santorum is one tough hombre and he doesn't get nearly the credit he should. If any of the candidates personify Tea Party values, its him.
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Except for that whole, adherence to the constitution thing that the Tea Party cares about. Religious profiling goes against the 1st amendment. Using the powers and the office of the Presidency to go in and fight states who pass laws you personally feel are "immoral" that the federal government has no constitutional basis to be involved in, like marriage, is hardly in line with the 10th amendment.

I'd give you he's more in line with Tea Party views in general than Newt or Romney...but then he's no where close to Ron Paul when it comes to it.
 
TheNextEra said:
The guy is an extremist (especially with social values). While that may appeal to some of the hardliner teapartiers, that doesn't appeal to the majority of Independants that the right is going to need to beat Obama IMO. My wife's side of the family is a mix of GOP supporters and teaparty members, and they won't consider Santorum due to his views. Santorum appeals to the social conservatives, but social conservatism doesn't make up the majority in this country.

Also Teaparty does equal social conservatism.
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Not just social conservatism. He has the most conservative voting record of the viable candidates. His idea about not taxing manufacturers is great. He doesn't have the history of supporting lib programs like cap and trade, global warming, socialized medicine, etc. Newt and Mitt do. Obama will be sure to point that out in the general election. It's like he said last night. What is Mitt going to say to Obama about Obamacare? What can he say? Especially if the SCOTUS says it is constitutional.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Not just social conservatism. He has the most conservative voting record of the viable candidates. His idea about not taxing manufacturers is great. He doesn't have the history of supporting lib programs like cap and trade, global warming, socialized medicine, etc. Newt and Mitt do. Obama will be sure to point that out in the general election. It's like he said last night. What is Mitt going to say to Obama about Obamacare? What can he say? Especially if the SCOTUS says it is constitutional.
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I love how, because you like him, he's viable but somehow Ron Paul isn't. You could argue he "won a state" as proof of viability, but that's no better than saying Paul's been more consistently successful than Santorum finishing 3rd, 2nd, 4th as opposed to 1, 5, 3 or pointing to poll numbers against Obama. There's frankly not much more reasons to think Santorum is a "viable" candidate against Obama than Paul.
 
Zyphlin said:
The Tea Party Movement has as much to do with Social Conservatism as the Anti-War Movement has to do with Progressive Taxation and Pro-Life.
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sorry that was my mistake, the last part should have read "Also Teaparty does NOT equal social conservatism". There are some teaparty members on my wife's side of the family and they are not social conservatives.
 
Zyphlin said:
I love how, because you like him, he's viable but somehow Ron Paul isn't. You could argue he "won a state" as proof of viability, but that's no better than saying Paul's been more consistently successful than Santorum finishing 3rd, 2nd, 4th as opposed to 1, 5, 3 or pointing to poll numbers against Obama. There's frankly not much more reasons to think Santorum is a "viable" candidate against Obama than Paul.
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Ron Paul is better than Mitt Romney. At least he would cut spending.
 
The issue is Romney...

I would vote for any of the 3..... Paul, Newt or Santorum...but not Romney

A Romney presidency is just a continuance of what Obama is
 
Here is my other question. Who are all these people that are voting for Romney??

I have met hundreds of Republicans, but very few say they are Romney supporters. How is he polling so well?

Is it just the herd mentality of voting for the "most electable" candidate? I have not heard anyone come out and passionately support Romney who isn't Mormon, a politician, or a member of the media.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Here is my other question. Who are all these people that are voting for Romney??

I have met hundreds of Republicans, but very few say they are Romney supporters. How is he polling so well?

Is it just the herd mentality of voting for the "most electable" candidate? I have not heard anyone come out and passionately support Romney who isn't Mormon, a politician, or a member of the media.
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The issue is generally that while Primaries are a bit more of an "insider" thing, ultimately you still have the majority of your voting base being "casual" voters. Casual voters are more apt to go along with the herd and name recognition than your more deeply engaged voters. Additionally, your "moderate" type of people both in terms of their political views and how strongly they hold political views are in general less likely to get strongly engaged in the political process then very ideological people. Finally, because the enthusiasm factor for Romney is low you likely have a number of supporters who think he's most electable or like him most (Or dislike him the least) but aren't exactly massively excited about him. All three of those groups are people who are not likely to be very vocal or talk about their support for a candidate or possibly not even make up their minds until they get asked to answer on a poll or are set before a ballot.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the Romney votes are coming because someone goes "I don't really like Mitt Romney...but I find Gingrich to be a sleezeball, Santorums social conservatism is extreme, and Ron Paul is crazy....so Mitt it is"
 
Peter Grimm said:
Ron Paul is better than Mitt Romney. At least he would cut spending.
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That depends. There are some on the right that think Ron's view on foreign politics is dangerous.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Ron Paul is better than Mitt Romney. At least he would cut spending.
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Absolutely. Hands down

The vibe, I get with Paul is, he comes off as extremely sincere. Romney (to me).... is one flaky bastard
 
I hope Romney loses in Florida! People should start thinking about either Newt or Rick! :doh
 
Zyphlin said:
I love how, because you like him, he's viable but somehow Ron Paul isn't. You could argue he "won a state" as proof of viability, but that's no better than saying Paul's been more consistently successful than Santorum finishing 3rd, 2nd, 4th as opposed to 1, 5, 3 or pointing to poll numbers against Obama. There's frankly not much more reasons to think Santorum is a "viable" candidate against Obama than Paul.
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Ron Paul's views of legalized drugs, prostitution, and his national defense are what his pitfalls are. I admire him for standing by those beliefs, however, they are very much the minority belief in America. That's why he's not viable, not because I say he's not. Also, did you do the averages on your numbers? The average finish is 3rd for both of them. Thats a moot point.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Not just social conservatism. He has the most conservative voting record of the viable candidates. His idea about not taxing manufacturers is great. He doesn't have the history of supporting lib programs like cap and trade, global warming, socialized medicine, etc. Newt and Mitt do. Obama will be sure to point that out in the general election. It's like he said last night. What is Mitt going to say to Obama about Obamacare? What can he say? Especially if the SCOTUS says it is constitutional.
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You mean he doesn't have a history of supporting big government programs like No Child Left Behind or the unfunded Medicare Part D expansion? Oh, wait he did support those things. He was a Senator during the Bush years when spending went out of control and Santorum was along for the ride like everyone else. I have as much faith in Santorum living up to being a fiscal conservative as I do in the Easter Bunny.

And then there is the fact that as Zyphlin pointed out, Santorum has made it clear he'd crap all over the Constitution if he could, just so he can tell everyone else what they should be doing in their own bedrooms. And there is the fact that he seems to fully embrace neo-conservative foreign policy of constant interventionist policies, war, and nation building. Santorum is a walking collection of the absolute worst parts of the Republican Party. I thought for sure Romney would be the candidate I'd hate the most, then I got to know Santorum.
 
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Amigo said:
I hope Romney loses in Florida! People should start thinking about either Newt or Rick! :doh
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[h=1]I don't know any conservative member on these boards and yup we are on the same sheet of music....Romney sucks[/h]
Just cannot believe Romney is leading
 
On the debate itself, I hate to say it, but Santorum probably did the best. When he came out and said he was tired of the personal attacks between Romeny and Gingrich, he looked like a statesman and got a big applause from the crowd. And really hammered Romney on Romneycare.

Romney did well in that he scored some shots at Gingrich and defended himself much better. He was a lot more aggressive and on point this time. He didn't feel as canned and rehersed as he usually does.

Gingrich does not play defense well. I was wondering how he would do in the debates now that he's seen as co-front runner and will likely be the focuse of some more direct questions at his past and history and face more attacks from the candidates. When he tried to ride on Santorum's coat tails and say "lets talk about the issues" after bitch fighting with Romeny over stupid crap from most fo the night, it came across as fake and opportunistic. Not a good night for Gingrich in my mind.

Paul was Paul. He had some funny lines and was on message, but we all know he's not going to win. He does seem to have dropped a lot of the cranky old guy act and become a bit more charming lately though.
 
When Newt doesn't want to answer a perfectly fair question, he just attacks the moderator and waits for the dunces in the audience to applause--all the idiots brainwashed to believe that all MSM leans to the left and is therefore unreliable. The net effect of the Fox News marketing scam (call the rest of MSM liberal) has resulted in these audiences of trained seals that clap on command when a candidate says a magic Fox word.

Look at how Ron Paul gets booed for exploring reasonable ideas like not going to war over lies.

Thanks Fox News and RW radio for reducing a portion of our population to trained seals. Toss them a fish, and they'll do a trick...
 
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Peter Grimm said:
I would vote for either Santorum or Gingrich. Both are fantastic in my mind.

Unfortunately, this thing is over. Romney has all but wrapped up Florida and the nomination.
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based on this alone, I have no idea what you view as conservatism. Huge powerful governments that police the world, and fear every shadow lurking in the abyss seems to be your motivations.

by all means, branch out. I see nothing that we can build on based on your desired platform.

Fortunately, young people interested in actual conservatism get it more then most of the electorate, which gives me hope for the future.
 
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