(CNBC) Omicron may have peaked or ‘plateaued’ in parts of the world, giving experts cause for optimism

[Chomsky]

Omicron may have peaked or 'plateaued' in parts of the world, giving experts cause for optimism

There are early, tentative signs that the omicron wave has peaked, or is plateauing, in the places that were among the first to be hit hard by the variant.

www.cnbc.com

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Let's hope. But, I suspect the hypothesis is right - a fast sharp rise in cases, followed by a short peak, and a similarly fast decline.

The above, along with Omicron's relatively high infectability - but decreased pathology, just might indicate we are finally turning the corner on this pandemic!

I've had enough; how 'bout you guys?

 

[Good4Nothin]

Omicron may have peaked or 'plateaued' in parts of the world, giving experts cause for optimism

There are early, tentative signs that the omicron wave has peaked, or is plateauing, in the places that were among the first to be hit hard by the variant.

www.cnbc.com

--

Let's hope. But, I suspect the hypothesis is right - a fast sharp rise in cases, followed by a short peak, and a similarly fast decline.

The above, along with Omicron's relatively high infectability - but decreased pathology, just might indicate we are finally turning the corner on this pandemic!

I've had enough; how 'bout you guys?

I think now that Fauci-Gates finally got their pandemic (after decades of warning and hoping and waiting), they won't let it go so easily. It wouldn't be hard to keep making and releasing new variants, would it?

 

[Acadia]

Omicron may have peaked or 'plateaued' in parts of the world, giving experts cause for optimism

There are early, tentative signs that the omicron wave has peaked, or is plateauing, in the places that were among the first to be hit hard by the variant.

www.cnbc.com

--

Let's hope. But, I suspect the hypothesis is right - a fast sharp rise in cases, followed by a short peak, and a similarly fast decline.

The above, along with Omicron's relatively high infectability - but decreased pathology, just might indicate we are finally turning the corner on this pandemic!

I've had enough; how 'bout you guys?

I have hope that omicron will peak soon become manageable with therapeutics, treatment and vaccination.

 

[Chomsky]

I think now that Fauci-Gates finally got their pandemic (after decades of warning and hoping and waiting), they won't let it go so easily. It wouldn't be hard to keep making and releasing new variants, would it?

I can't even come close to accept any of your premises.

But, will the Biden administration play it cautious? Normally, I'd say 'yes'. However, his Presidency depends upon a successful economy, with the economy in turn predicated upon a successful pandemic response. So to be honest, I think the Biden administration will eventually embrace opening-up, just as the new NYC administration is.

 

[StillBallin75]

I think now that Fauci-Gates finally got their pandemic (after decades of warning and hoping and waiting), they won't let it go so easily. It wouldn't be hard to keep making and releasing new variants, would it?

CTers be like:

"I'm skeptical of everything except my crackhead conspiracy theory narrative for which there is no evidence."

Fauci draws the same salary whether or not there is a pandemic and I'm sure he'd rather be working less than he is right now.

 

[Good4Nothin]

I can't even come close to accept any of your premises.

But, will the Biden administration play it cautious? Normally, I'd say 'yes'. However, his Presidency depends upon a successful economy, with the economy in turn predicated upon a successful pandemic response. So to be honest, I think the Biden administration will eventually embrace opening-up, just as the new NYC administration is.

Biden's power is nothing compared to Fauci-Gates. Their goal is to keep selling vaccines all over the world, not to help the US economy.

 

[Mycroft]

CTers be like:

"I'm skeptical of everything except my crackhead conspiracy theory narrative for which there is no evidence."

Fauci draws the same salary whether or not there is a pandemic and I'm sure he'd rather be working less than he is right now.

What work is he doing? Besides being a talking potato head on cable shows, that is.

 

[OwnRules]

I think now that Fauci-Gates finally got their pandemic (after decades of warning and hoping and waiting), they won't let it go so easily. It wouldn't be hard to keep making and releasing new variants, would it?

What shape is your tinfoil hat? I hear the Tall Lincoln gets the best reception.

Can you confirm?

 

[Chomsky]

I have hope that omicron will peak soon become manageable with therapeutics, treatment and vaccination.

It may be difficult to impede transmissibility, but it seems to me we already have pathology reasonably managed, between vax & treatment. We've made awesome progress in treatment & vaccination, and our citizenry has collectively acquired a great deal of immunity, of which omicron is increasing it even more. The unvaxxed are catching it and gaining immunity, and the vaxxed are catching it and gaining even higher immunity. Sooner or later, this will all pay-off. In fact, I'd say it is already. I wouldn't doubt if we are at least at 90% immunity already, between 'vaxxed immunity', 'exposure immunity', and 'intrinsic natural immunity'.

I hate to get too optimistic here, as I've been burned before, but I'd really like to think this is where we turn the corner. We may have already turned the corner with Delta, come to think of it.

 

[Chomsky]

Biden's power is nothing compared to Fauci-Gates. Their goal is to keep selling vaccines all over the world, not to help the US economy.

Well, despite your catching a lot of flack here in this thread, there always is the possibility of conspiracy when great riches are involved. But 'theory' or 'possibility' does not equate 'fact'.

However, you are right in that we can never say we really know an individual's motives. There are huge riches at stake. So, there always is the possibility of a conflict of interest.

 

[Chomsky]

CTers be like:

"I'm skeptical of everything except my crackhead conspiracy theory narrative for which there is no evidence."

Fauci draws the same salary whether or not there is a pandemic and I'm sure he'd rather be working less than he is right now.

I don't subscribe to this poster's theory, but it is good to remain open-minded with guys like Gates. He may be purely altruistic, but he may be placing his-self in a position of good business; we really don't know.

As to Fauci, I've got the greatest respect for the guy. Heck, I'd love to have lunch or beers with him! But that being said, as with any other public official at the intersection of government policy and immense wealth & profit, it doesn't hurt to keep an eye on him.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Well, despite your catching a lot of flack here in this thread, there always is the possibility of conspiracy when great riches are involved. But 'theory' or 'possibility' does not equate 'fact'.

However, you are right in that we can never say we really know an individual's motives. There are huge riches at stake. So, there always is the possibility of a conflict of interest.

Yes, that is what I mean. Just because there are conspiracy theories does not mean there are no conspiracies. Especially when immense power and wealth are at stake.

Fauci and Gates are partners now -- Fauci has the long government health experience, and Gates has the money. Anyone who says anything to contradict their official narrative gets punished -- they are defunded, censored, banned from social media. Is that just a coincidence?

 

[Good4Nothin]

I don't subscribe to this poster's theory, but it is good to remain open-minded with guys like Gates. He may be purely altruistic, but he may be placing his-self in a position of good business; we really don't know.

As to Fauci, I've got the greatest respect for the guy. Heck, I'd love to have lunch or beers with him! But that being said, as with any other public official at the intersection of government policy and immense wealth & profit, it doesn't hurt to keep an eye on him.

Gates has a really clever strategy -- make fortunes while calling himself a philanthropist.

And if you dig more into Fauci's history I doubt you will have the greatest respect for him anymore.

 

[Acadia]

It may be difficult to impede transmissibility, but it seems to me we already have pathology reasonably managed, between vax & treatment. We've made awesome progress in treatment & vaccination, and our citizenry has collectively acquired a great deal of immunity, of which omicron is increasing it even more. The unvaxxed are catching it and gaining immunity, and the vaxxed are catching it and gaining even higher immunity. Sooner or later, this will all pay-off. In fact, I'd say it is already. I wouldn't doubt if we are at least at 90% immunity already, between 'vaxxed immunity', 'exposure immunity', and 'intrinsic natural immunity'.

I hate to get too optimistic here, as I've been burned before, but I'd really like to think this is where we turn the corner. We may have already turned the corner with Delta, come to think of it.

Cross immunity is interesting, and the notion that omicron confers immunity to delta. It could bode well for prior omicron infection giving protection against future variants.
What I'd like to see is access to early, cheap and available treatment, because what we know, is that covid responds to early intervention.

 

[Luce]

Omicron may have peaked or 'plateaued' in parts of the world, giving experts cause for optimism

There are early, tentative signs that the omicron wave has peaked, or is plateauing, in the places that were among the first to be hit hard by the variant.

www.cnbc.com

--

Let's hope. But, I suspect the hypothesis is right - a fast sharp rise in cases, followed by a short peak, and a similarly fast decline.

The above, along with Omicron's relatively high infectability - but decreased pathology, just might indicate we are finally turning the corner on this pandemic!

I've had enough; how 'bout you guys?

It turns out that the universe doesn't care if you've had enough.

 

[Cardinal]

Omicron may have peaked or 'plateaued' in parts of the world, giving experts cause for optimism

There are early, tentative signs that the omicron wave has peaked, or is plateauing, in the places that were among the first to be hit hard by the variant.

www.cnbc.com

--

Let's hope. But, I suspect the hypothesis is right - a fast sharp rise in cases, followed by a short peak, and a similarly fast decline.

The above, along with Omicron's relatively high infectability - but decreased pathology, just might indicate we are finally turning the corner on this pandemic!

I've had enough; how 'bout you guys?

I don’t know, I think I’m good for another year or two.

 

[Ethel2]

Wasn’t quite sure which thread to post this on. It has to do with risk of reinfection from the various variants.
From Mashup MD:

RESULTS PES against symptomatic reinfection was estimated at 90.2% (95% CI: 60.2-97.6) for Alpha, 84.8% (95% CI: 74.5-91.0) for Beta, 92.0% (95% CI: 87.9-94.7) for Delta, and 56.0% (95% CI: 50.6-60.9) for Omicron. Only 1 Alpha, 2 Beta, 0 Delta, and 2 Omicron reinfections progressed to severe COVID-19. None progressed to critical or fatal COVID-19. PES against hospitalization or death due to reinfection was estimated at 69.4% (95% CI: −143.6-96.2) for Alpha, 88.0% (95% CI: 50.7-97.1) for Beta, 100% (95% CI: 43.3-99.8) for Delta, and 87.8% (95% CI: 47.5-97.1) for Omicron.
CONCLUSIONS Protection afforded by prior infection in preventing symptomatic reinfection with Alpha, Beta, or Delta is robust, at about 90%. While such protection against reinfection with Omicron is lower, it is still considerable at nearly 60%. Prior-infection protection against hospitalization or death at reinfection appears robust, regardless of variant.

 

[Chomsky]

Gates has a really clever strategy -- make fortunes while calling himself a philanthropist.

And if you dig more into Fauci's history I doubt you will have the greatest respect for him anymore.

I'll try & keep an open mind. But, neither will I jump to conclusions.

 

[fireflygmf]

Wasn’t quite sure which thread to post this on. It has to do with risk of reinfection from the various variants.
From Mashup MD:

RESULTS PES against symptomatic reinfection was estimated at 90.2% (95% CI: 60.2-97.6) for Alpha, 84.8% (95% CI: 74.5-91.0) for Beta, 92.0% (95% CI: 87.9-94.7) for Delta, and 56.0% (95% CI: 50.6-60.9) for Omicron. Only 1 Alpha, 2 Beta, 0 Delta, and 2 Omicron reinfections progressed to severe COVID-19. None progressed to critical or fatal COVID-19. PES against hospitalization or death due to reinfection was estimated at 69.4% (95% CI: −143.6-96.2) for Alpha, 88.0% (95% CI: 50.7-97.1) for Beta, 100% (95% CI: 43.3-99.8) for Delta, and 87.8% (95% CI: 47.5-97.1) for Omicron.
CONCLUSIONS Protection afforded by prior infection in preventing symptomatic reinfection with Alpha, Beta, or Delta is robust, at about 90%. While such protection against reinfection with Omicron is lower, it is still considerable at nearly 60%. Prior-infection protection against hospitalization or death at reinfection appears robust, regardless of variant.

I understand most of this post and it seems like great news, but what does PES stand for?

 

[fireflygmf]

I'll try & keep an open mind. But, neither will I jump to conclusions.

Very wise. I've come to enjoy reading your posts, rarely politically biased and open to be led by the evidence.

 

[Ethel2]

I understand most of this post and it seems like great news, but what does PES stand for?

I copied/pasted just the abstract. I don’t remember what PES stands for. I’ll try to find the original article.
It is good news. I also read another article that claimed that infection with omicron may provide significant cross protection against other variants, which isn’t surprising.

 

[Good4Nothin]

I'll try & keep an open mind. But, neither will I jump to conclusions.

I didn't jump to conclusions. I have known for decades that he is an enemy of natural health, a pusher of dangerous and often useless drugs and vaccines. And now I have seen plenty of evidence that he is a good friend to the drug industry. And anyone who respects and trusts the drug industry now days is just ... I don't know ... really out of touch.

 

[Chomsky]

I didn't jump to conclusions. I have known for decades that he is an enemy of natural health, a pusher of dangerous and often useless drugs and vaccines. And now I have seen plenty of evidence that he is a good friend to the drug industry. And anyone who respects and trusts the drug industry now days is just ... I don't know ... really out of touch.

You know, in this new world of hyper blind partisanship and conspiracy, it might be easy to question claims like yours for evidence of partisanship.

But straight-up, I believe you are sincere here. I wouldn't say I'm cynical, but I do try to stay aware of ulterior or nefarious motive when evaluate power structures. You see my 'Chomsky' moniker, right?

So while I'll not blindly hop on the 'Bad Fuaci' bandwagon, I will do a bit of cursory investigation as new pieces about him come about.

 

[Chomsky]

Very wise. I've come to enjoy reading your posts, rarely politically biased and open to be led by the evidence.

I sure got you fooled!

(But seriously, thanks, and hope to see more of your posts!)

 

[Chomsky]

It turns out that the universe doesn't care if you've had enough.

Tru dat!