(CNBC) Education Department says Columbia University fails to meet accreditation standards

[Ethel2]

Again, it's always been up to the Palestinians. They have been the obstruction to peace.

Both sides are at fault imo. The Palestinians perhaps are more at fault for lobbing rockets into populated areas, conducting suicide bomb missions, and for the oct 7 massacre-but the Israelis continue to form more settlements in the West Bank, shooting the residents there while the police look the other way. Neither side is lily white here.

 

[jaeger19]

They went to war, and sometimes there's consequences of doing that.

They went to war because they were forced off their land and there are consequences for that.

They had to make a defensible area, because of the actions that 'Palestinians' were taking in that area.

No they didn’t. Clearly they can easily defend themselves. They have military superiority courtesy of tge United States.
They would have little to no need for a “ defensible area” if they stopped continuing to “ settle” the area.

And there are a lot of practical considerations behind having clearly defined borders

Except most of the world does not recognize what you consider their defined borders.

. Again, looking at the history, the Israelis and other groups have been moved in and out of the area for thousands of years.

Yep. And if say Israel gets defeated by Syria or equity or Iran and loses territory to them should we say “ oh well”?
No. You would say it’s bs.

And the Israelis were pushed off that land before that. There has to be a point at which we define where we are now.

We already defined it years ago and the Israelis have usurped more land and continue to do so. Which accounts for a desperate people willing to fight against Israel.

Yes, they do. Again, Egypt and Syria settled on the borders decades ago.

So what?

There's political rhetoric on all sides. But I think that Israel in general, and certainly the Jewish people, want peace more than conquest.

The people? Maybe. But clearly their government wants conquest as per their governments policy of settlement expansion.

They just want to live where they are in peace.

No. They don’t want to “ just live where they are”.
If they did I would be all over supporting Israel .
But expanding settlements , is not “ just wanting to live where they are”. .

But the starting point has to be an end to rocket attacks, kidnapping, terrorist attacks, etc. That's all on the Palestinians.

The starting point is the settlements and expansion of the settlements.
That’s what radicalizes normally peaceful folks that just want to live where their family lived.

 

[upsideguy]

That's a pretty absurd response. Sorry.

I'll just note again that Columbia University determined it had a problem, and their own task force found a list of issues and made recommendations. It was serious enough they forced their own president out. And this was before Trump was even elected.

And you and others keep screaming "Trump!" While Trump is the president, and it's his administration, it's specific agencies that are making the findings, calling out issues they are supposed to look for.

It is hardly an absurd response. What is absurd is the Trump administration challenging the accreditation of Columbia, which would be analogous to the NFL suggesting they might pull the franchise of Kansas City for not being competitive.

I am sorry (for all of us) that you are oblivious to obvious here (exercising your inner ignorance) that Trump is pursuing an agenda of control and authoritarianism. This move, and his actions with Harvard (and law firms, and others) is straight from the Viktor Orban playbook. In case you haven't been paying attention, and clearly you are oblivious, Orban has been the darling of CPAC for about a decade, he is an authoritarian that leveraged ..... and, he was an active consultant to Project 2025.

GOP embraces Hungarian dictator | Eldorado News

By Elwood Watson

www.eldoradonews.com

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/29/nx-s1-5399682/hungary-trump-viktor-orban-cpac

Critics say he runs an 'open dictatorship.' Why is Viktor Orbán a star at CPAC?

“The reason that Orbán keeps winning is he has the control of a dictator,” said one political scientist. “So the question is, what are the Republicans in it for?"

www.nbcnews.com

At CPAC, Hungary's Viktor Orban decries LGBTQ+ rights, migration

Hungary's populist prime minister has likened liberalism to a "virus" in an opening speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference in the Hungarian capital on Thursday.

www.pbs.org

How Viktor Orbán Conquered the Heritage Foundation

Once the redoubt of Reaganism, the think tank has taken to promoting Trump’s favorite strongman.

newrepublic.com

Project 2025 leader working to implement policies of Putin ally: Professor

The analyst says Hungary's Viktor Orbán is providing U.S. conservatives a blueprint for a new government "dictated by Trump."

www.newsweek.com

Evidence of widespread interactions between Heritage Foundation officials and Viktor Orbán’s regime show a deep relationship that would bring Hungary’s “illiberal democracy” to the U.S.

Heritage Foundation's Kevin D. Roberts aims to institutionalize Trumpism with Project 2025, backed by 80+ far-right groups advocating Christian Nationalism, limiting women's healthcare, and opposing LGBTQ+ rights.

globalextremism.org

Again, this has NOTHING to do with Trump's stated intentions; which is just the cover he has used for his useful idiots. This have everything to do with acquiring, concentrating and keeping power. If you can not see the parallels between Orban's early days in office on 2nd term and Trump's, may I suggest a good ophthalmologist?

Project 2025 is Trump's blueprint to get rid of democracy and the rule of law

In a potential second Donald Trump presidency, the conservative Heritage Foundation plans to remake government in the mold of dictator Viktor Orbán of Hungary.

chicago.suntimes.com

This article sums it well:

Why the Populist Right Hates Universities

American conservatives are taking cues from Hungary’s Viktor Orbán because elite education is a convenient enemy for authoritarian populists.

www.theatlantic.com

from cite: "....American conservatives are taking cues from Hungary’s Viktor Orbán because elite education is a convenient enemy for authoritarian populists...."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/27/europe/hungary-orban-university-reform-intl/index.html

How to dismantle democracy: Lessons aspiring autocrats may take from Hungary's Orban

The dismantling of Hungary's democracy is a point of fascination for political scientists around the world — including those advising the Trump administration.

www.nprillinois.org

 

[Napoleon]

Right. The Jews and Arabs living in the land at the time had claims to that land .
The state of Israel basically usurped those land rights and preferentially kicked out the Arabs living there.

That was a two-way street.

 

[aociswundumho]

We already defined it years ago and the Israelis have usurped more land and continue to do so. Which accounts for a desperate people willing to fight against Israel.

Yep, and they’re going to keep going until they’ve taken all the land. But because they’re smart, they’ll do it gradually, hoping no one notices. What typically comes next in stories like this is some form of apartheid. Palestinians will become second-class citizens - because they have to be, if it’s going to remain a Jewish-majority state.

 

[jaeger19]

That was a two-way street.

The problem is the Israelis keep taking more streets

 

[jaeger19]

Yep, and they’re going to keep going until they’ve taken all the land. But because they’re smart, they’ll do it gradually, hoping no one notices. What typically comes next in stories like this is some form of apartheid. Palestinians will become second-class citizens - because they have to be, if it’s going to remain a Jewish-majority state.

That’s what’s already happening . But the conflict will never end.

 

[Napoleon]

The problem is the Israelis keep taking more streets

That’s what happens when the Palestinians elect a terrorist organization as their government. Sad trombone.

 

[aociswundumho]

you are oblivious to obvious here (exercising your inner ignorance) that Trump is pursuing an agenda of control and authoritarianism.

The upside is Trump is demonstrating to the naive left how dangerous government really is. When you lot are in charge you grant the state enormous powers, and never consider how it benefits a guy like Trump when it's his turn to run things.

 

[aociswundumho]

That’s what happens when the Palestinians elect a terrorist organization as their government. Sad trombone.

You can’t blame the people for the actions of the government that rules over them. The state holds the power; the people are the ones being ruled in an authoritarian manner. Blaming them is blaming the victim.

 

[dcsports]

Both sides are at fault imo. The Palestinians perhaps are more at fault for lobbing rockets into populated areas, conducting suicide bomb missions, and for the oct 7 massacre-but the Israelis continue to form more settlements in the West Bank, shooting the residents there while the police look the other way. Neither side is lily white here.

Again, it's Palestine driving the war. Israel stepped in after the attack, and has made efforts to uproot the terrorists. They absolutely could use more care around civilian populations, but at the same time, Hamas is using them as shields.

Reiterating - Israel has responded to attacks. Peace is in the hands of the Palestinans.

 

[dcsports]

They went to war because they were forced off their land and there are consequences for that.

No they didn’t. Clearly they can easily defend themselves. They have military superiority courtesy of tge United States.
They would have little to no need for a “ defensible area” if they stopped continuing to “ settle” the area.

Except most of the world does not recognize what you consider their defined borders.

Yep. And if say Israel gets defeated by Syria or equity or Iran and loses territory to them should we say “ oh well”?
No. You would say it’s bs.

We already defined it years ago and the Israelis have usurped more land and continue to do so. Which accounts for a desperate people willing to fight against Israel.

So what?

The people? Maybe. But clearly their government wants conquest as per their governments policy of settlement expansion.

No. They don’t want to “ just live where they are”.
If they did I would be all over supporting Israel .
But expanding settlements , is not “ just wanting to live where they are”. .

The starting point is the settlements and expansion of the settlements.
That’s what radicalizes normally peaceful folks that just want to live where their family lived.

You are spinning.

Israel consolidated the area for the Palestinians because they had to. They weren't defensible, and those people continued to wage a guerrilla war long after the conflict ended.

Again - these were temporary boundaries, within what's now Israel. They were supposed to negotiate a permanent solution decades ago - but the Palestinians refused.

 

[jaeger19]

That’s what happens when the Palestinians elect a terrorist organization as their government. Sad trombone.

Well to Palestinians hamas was what ran free health clinics and food pantries and helped education and weren’t seen as corrupt as the fatah.

The after the election hamas started a civil war and ousted the fatah from Gaza. There hasn’t been elections since.
Half of Palestinians weren’t even born when the elections took place .
So it’s hard to blame tge Palestinians living there now.

 

[jaeger19]

You are spinning.

Israel consolidated the area for the Palestinians because they had to.

They displaced Palestinians and settled the area with Israelis because they wanted to.

They weren't defensible, and those people continued to wage a guerrilla war long after the conflict ended.

Sure they were.. and are. Surely you are not arguing that gamas is winning the war and striking Israeli targets at will are you.
Unlike Israel.

Again - these were temporary boundaries, within what's now Israel.

Wait, now it’s “ temporary boundaries”.
It’s not me spinning .

They were supposed to negotiate a permanent solution decades ago - but the Palestinians refused.

Yeah kinda like the Ukrainians refusing to give up their sovereignty as well.

 

[dcsports]

It is hardly an absurd response. What is absurd is the Trump administration challenging the accreditation of Columbia, which would be analogous to the NFL suggesting they might pull the franchise of Kansas City for not being competitive.
...

It is absurd. Noting that even now you are trying to adjust from "TRUMP DID IT" to "Trump Administration". Columbia is in violation of the law, and the current administration has a responsibility to enforce it.

And sure, if the Kansas City Chiefs were in violation of their NFL contract, I would expect the NFL to come down on them and demand they rectify the situation as well.

 

[dcsports]

They displaced Palestinians and settled the area with Israelis because they wanted to.

Because the original temporary boundaries were a mess, and Palestinians kept attacking their citizens. They had to make the borders more defensible.

Sure they were.. and are. Surely you are not arguing that gamas is winning the war and striking Israeli targets at will are you.
Unlike Israel.

No, they were a sprawling mess, and allowed for terrorist attacks of civilians across Israel.

Wait, now it’s “ temporary boundaries”.
[deflection removed]

That's exactly what they were - temporary boundaries established by the armistice agreement pending final negotiations of borders and other issues. Israel did this with Egypt and Syria decades ago.

Yeah kinda like the Ukrainians refusing to give up their sovereignty as well.

Pushing almost a century apart. Ukranians are in an evolving conflict - not one ended decades ago.

 

[jaeger19]

It is absurd. Noting that even now you are trying to adjust from "TRUMP DID IT" to "Trump Administration". Columbia is in violation of the law, and the current administration has a responsibility to enforce it.

And sure, if the Kansas City Chiefs were in violation of their NFL contract, I would expect the NFL to come down on them and demand they rectify the situation as well.

Columbia is not in violation of the law.
That’s bs.

 

[jaeger19]

Because the original temporary boundaries were a mess, and Palestinians kept attacking their citizens. They had to make the borders more defensible.

Pooh they did. They displaced Palestinians and put in settlers and surprise surprise you have angry Palestinians.
“ Gee you Palestinians, why aren’t you happy and peaceful after being shoved off your land and placed in refuge campus where you watch your children suffer???

No, they were a sprawling mess, and allowed for terrorist attacks of civilians across Israel.

No they didn’t.

That's exactly what they were - temporary boundaries established by the armistice agreement pending final negotiations of borders and other issues. Israel did this with Egypt and Syria decades ago.

And they pushed Palestinians out and put Israeli settlers in.

Pushing almost a century apart. Ukranians are in an evolving conflict - not one ended decades ago.

You think the Palestinian Israeli conflict ended “ decades ago”

bwahhhhhh

 

[dcsports]

You think the Palestinian Israeli conflict ended “ decades ago”

I addressed most of your post.

Yes, the Arab Israeli war ended in 1948 with the 1949 armistice agreements.

 

[Ethel2]

Again, it's Palestine driving the war. Israel stepped in after the attack, and has made efforts to uproot the terrorists. They absolutely could use more care around civilian populations, but at the same time, Hamas is using them as shields.

Reiterating - Israel has responded to attacks. Peace is in the hands of the Palestinans.

Again, they are both at fault.Israel isn’t free of blame.

 

[dcsports]

Again, they are both at fault.Israel isn’t free of blame.

Fault for what? Not free of blame for using force. But Palestine is responsible for the situation now. Not to mention starting the war in the first place. They have stood in the way of peace, forced the changing of the area allocated to them, and have prevented a peaceful resolution or 'path forward'

 

[Ethel2]

Fault for what? Not free of blame for using force. But Palestine is responsible for the situation now. They have stood in the way of peace, forced the changing of the area allocated to them, and have prevented a peaceful resolution or 'path forward'

Fault for continuing to establish new settlements in the WB and shooting the people who live there while the Israeli police look the other way. Think that’s cool?

 

[Nickyjo]

There isn’t anything about being anti-Trump that requires crawling into bed with rabid anti-semites and the universities which harbor them.

Hard to describe Trump as a rabid anti-Semite, but he has issues himself.

 

[jaeger19]

I addressed most of your post.

Yes, the Arab Israeli war ended in 1948 with the 1949 armistice agreements.

Yeah. And the conflict between Palestine and Israel has continued ever since .

And no . You keep ignoring the fact that Israel has continued to push Palestinians out and settle the land with Israelis.

 

[dcsports]

Fault for continuing to establish new settlements in the WB and shooting the people who live there while the Israeli police look the other way. Think that’s cool?

We already covered why they had to move the borders of the settlement area. That's the fault of the Palestinians.

Yes, they could do more to avoid injuring and killing uninvolved civilians, but much of the blame for that is on the terrorists and those who harbor them.