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(CNBC) Education Department says Columbia University fails to meet accreditation standards

Yeah. And the conflict between Palestine and Israel has continued ever since .
100% the responsivity of the Palestinians who continue it. Both sides agreed to peace decades ago. One side refuses to honor that, and persists in terroris.

And no . You keep ignoring the fact that Israel has continued to push Palestinians out and settle the land with Israelis.

lol. I directly addressed it several times. That's on the people who launch rockets and use pipe bombs.
 
100% the responsivity of the Palestinians who continue it. Both sides agreed to peace decades ago. One side refuses to honor that, and persists in terroris.
One side doesn’t honor that and pushes Palestinians off their land and resettles Israelis there creating a whole new generation of starving poor Palestinian teenagers ripe for radicalization.
lol. I directly addressed it several times. That's on the people who launch rockets and use pipe bombs.
That’s like saying that I should lose my land because some fellow bombed a fertility clinic.

Or perhaps you should lose your freedom and firearms because some radicalized person became a mass shooter.?

Tgat cool with you. ?
 
One side doesn’t honor that and pushes Palestinians off their land and resettles Israelis ... (deflection removed]
Again, changing the settlement area is the fault of the terrorists and those who support them. It's a temporary partition within Israel - there is no Palestinian land.
 
All true. What's also true is that both Universities use the existence of that taxpayer funding to attract students at about $90,000 per year per head. And some of those students bring with them Pell Grants, taxpayer money to add into the coffers.

I suggest that the research you refer to isn't a product of the altruism of the Universities, but rather of the genius of the students who are attracted to the funds that allow them to do that research, and of some of the faculty that is also paid by that taxpayer funding.

But our subject isn't whether useful research is done, or even if some students get a useful education. It's whether the Universities are bound by their contracts either with the government directly or with the private accreditation board, contracts that require the universities to adhere to the law. They are free, of course, to reject the law and their contracts but, in doing so, will reject the taxpayer funding that attracts all that tuition money.
Yes, if the university does good research it attracts good students. Just like the businesses that use the free research to attract customers. The government wants research done to increase the profit of businesses, the improvement of universities, the enhancement of medical science.......... this is not some nefarious plot of liberals. It's just intelligent government. The research results are the genius of who ever thought up the idea that government should support education. (see the Morrilll Act 1862)

Yes, universities are bound by their contracts. The funding for research probably has a contract laying out what work is to be done, who will do it and how much the government expects to fund etc. I doesn't have anything to do with state and federal laws. I suppose if one of the researchers turned out to be a serial killer the government would have something to say,but, no, there isn't a contract with accrediting organizations, other than agreeing to pay them for their time. You either get accredited or you don't. Breaking a contract it's against the law, it's a legal matter.

Other than Trump everybody, including universities have to follow the laws. What law are you talking about that universities can choose to ignore?
 
We already covered why they had to move the borders of the settlement area. That's the fault of the Palestinians.

Yes, they could do more to avoid injuring and killing uninvolved civilians, but much of the blame for that is on the terrorists and those who harbor them.
Wrong
Israel is actively displacing people from their home because they think the WB belongs to them. It doesn’t. It’s disputed territory the ownership of which must be negotiated. There is no excuse for Israel continuing to form new settlements by displacing the people who live there. If someone came to my door and said my house is now theirs I’d find a way to kill them.
 
Wrong
Israel is actively displacing people from their home because they think the WB belongs to them. It doesn’t. It’s disputed territory the ownership of which must be negotiated. There is no excuse for Israel continuing to form new settlements by displacing the people who live there. If someone came to my door and said my house is now theirs I’d find a way to kill them.
I've corrected you repeatedly. Not much more to say here.

The land is within the negotiated borders of Israel. If Palestine wants to negotiate a permanent land, they need to stop attacking their proposed neighbor.
 
Again, changing the settlement area is the fault of the terrorists and those who support them. It's a temporary partition within Israel - there is no Palestinian land.
And again the terrrorists are the result of pushing Palestinians out and pushing Israeli settlers in.
The fact that you think there is no Palestinian land shows your bias .
 
I've corrected you repeatedly. Not much more to say here.

The land is within the negotiated borders of Israel. If Palestine wants to negotiate a permanent land, they need to stop attacking their proposed neighbor.
First of all there is no Palestine. There never was a Palestine. The people who lived in the Palestinian Territories never owned the land and never had a country of their own. You need to learn some history. I recommend that you educate yourself by reading “My Promised Land”.
You cannot “correct” me by posting bullshit. The West Bank is not part of the “negotiated border”. Neither is Gaza. Both sides want it and neither is interested in a two state solution right now. Polls in Israel have consistently shown that Israelis aren’t interested in a two state solution-and Likud sure as hell isn’t interested. Yes, the Palestinians need to stop their violence and the Israelis need to do the same. Both sides have committed atrocities; neither is free of blame.
To write posts that it’s only the Palestinian people who are at fault reveals abject ignorance.
 
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The funding for research probably has a contract laying out what work is to be done, who will do it and how much the government expects to fund etc. I doesn't have anything to do with state and federal laws.
My bet is that any contract with the government has terms that require adherence to laws, some generic (Civil Rights Act) and some specific (national security).

no, there isn't a contract with accrediting organizations, other than agreeing to pay them for their time.
The University has a contract with the accrediting organization, and that contract requires adherence to the law, specifically Title VI of the Civil Rights Act. Taxpayer funding is contingent on accreditation.

Other than Trump everybody, including universities have to follow the laws. What law are you talking about that universities can choose to ignore?
Anyone can choose to ignore the law, if they're willing to pay the price. Columbia can choose to ignore Title VI, if they're willing to lose accreditation and taxpayer funding. I rather doubt it, though. Instead, they will do "programs" as they have done, which will not accomplish much more than holding things at bay for a few years.
 
My bet is that any contract with the government has terms that require adherence to laws, some generic (Civil Rights Act) and some specific (national security).


The University has a contract with the accrediting organization, and that contract requires MGAadherence to the law, specifically Title VI of the Civil Rights Act. Taxpayer funding is contingent on accreditation.


Anyone can choose to ignore the law, if they're willing to pay the price. Columbia can choose to ignore Title VI, if they're willing to lose accreditation and taxpayer funding. I rather doubt it, though. Instead, they will do "programs" as they have done, which will not accomplish much more than holding things at bay for a few years.
Title VI? Is that what you are calling The Law and being so coy about. Well in case you missed it, Trump did away with any wording or program that used DEI wording. Looks like discrimination is OK. MAGA supporters really ought to get their petty hates in order. You can't love Trump because he banned DEI and then get all indignant because you don't like the protesting against Israel or for trans-sexuals or what ever nasty people you've decided are unacceptable. In any case I doubt whether Columbia "broke the law" concerning title VI
 
From what I’ve observed, you don’t have a serious bone in your body so certainly not by you. Tell me more about Jewish space lasers.
How many bones did you evaluate to come to that conclusion and when did this occur?
 
And again the terrrorists are the result of pushing Palestinians out and pushing Israeli settlers in.
The fact that you think there is no Palestinian land shows your bias .
That's silly. The interim borders were moved because the Palestinians were conducting terrorist attacks. And terrorism isn't a rational response, especially if you are seeking peace.

And yes, I'm biased by the history of the conflict, and the agreements made by those involved. Please read up.
 
First of all there is no Palestine. There never was a Palestine. The people who lived in the Palestinian Territories never owned the land and never had a country of their own. You need to learn some history. I recommend that you educate yourself by reading “My Promised Land”.
You cannot “correct” me by posting bullshit. The West Bank is not part of the “negotiated border”. Neither is Gaza. Both sides want it and neither is interested in a two state solution right now. Polls in Israel have consistently shown that Israelis aren’t interested in a two state solution-and Likud sure as hell isn’t interested. Yes, the Palestinians need to stop their violence and the Israelis need to do the same. Both sides have committed atrocities; neither is free of blame.
To write posts that it’s only the Palestinian people who are at fault reveals abject ignorance.
Sigh. Yes - there never was a Palestine. But it makes for a point of reference to refer to the group as Palestinians. I'm not the one that needs to learn history.

Maybe re-read? Gaza and the West Bank were temporary boundaries set up following the 1949 Accords, with the intention of negotiating permanent agreements. They were never intended to be permanents. And Israel did that - negotiating permanent borders with Egypt and Syria. Gaza and the West Bank are within Israel.

The 'Palestinians' are a problem that no one seems willing to solve. Abandoned by the neighboring countries, and refusing to leave the one they are in, waging a war that ended generations ago. Obviously, they aren't willing to coexist with Israel - they still want to conquer the land. And they've made a huge portion of the country uninhabitable.

But yes - the fact that there's not a 'two state solution' is 100% their fault. No question. And they are the ones who continually instigate and prolong the violence. Yes, Israel made it clear they won't accept a two state solution as long as the Palestinians promote terrorism. They won't allow them sovereignty while they threaten the citizens of their country. No country would. Israel has reacted aggressively - again, as any country would.
 
Sigh. Yes - there never was a Palestine. But it makes for a point of reference to refer to the group as Palestinians. I'm not the one that needs to learn history.

Maybe re-read? Gaza and the West Bank were temporary boundaries set up following the 1949 Accords, with the intention of negotiating permanent agreements. They were never intended to be permanents. And Israel did that - negotiating permanent borders with Egypt and Syria. Gaza and the West Bank are within Israel.

The 'Palestinians' are a problem that no one seems willing to solve. Abandoned by the neighboring countries, and refusing to leave the one they are in, waging a war that ended generations ago. Obviously, they aren't willing to coexist with Israel - they still want to conquer the land. And they've made a huge portion of the country uninhabitable.

But yes - the fact that there's not a 'two state solution' is 100% their fault. No question. And they are the ones who continually instigate and prolong the violence. Yes, Israel made it clear they won't accept a two state solution as long as the Palestinians promote terrorism. They won't allow them sovereignty while they threaten the citizens of their country. No country would. Israel has reacted aggressively - again, as any country would.
To be clear, Israel has the right to defend itself in the manner of its own choosing. I have consistently supported Israel's goal of ridding Gaza of the Hamas pigs who are hiding among civilians there.
However, the people who live in the West Bank and Gaza have a legitimate claim to that land too. It is profoundly ignorant to claim that the killing is all the fault of the Palestinians. You need to learn some history. The fact is that Jewish people forcibly displaced the Arabs and other groups who lived in the Palestinian territories beginning in the early 1900s. If someone came to my door and told me that my house and land is now theirs I would want to kill them. By no stretch of the imagination is the West Bank land that belongs to Israel. Neither is Gaza for that matter. Egypt ceded control of Gaza to Israel but never deeded the land to them. Both Gaza and the West Bank are DISPUTED TERRITORIES, meaning that two groups of people claim its theirs. Both have legitimate claim to it. The Palestinians want all of it; Israel wants all of it. Hence its disputed territory and Israel should not be forming more settlements in the WB until a negotiated solution is achieved regarding ownership. In fact, the ONLY segment of land that actually BELONGS to Israel is the land granted to them when they became a sovereign state in 1948.
You have a lot of studying to do.............
 
Title VI? Is that what you are calling The Law and being so coy about. Well in case you missed it, Trump did away with any wording or program that used DEI wording.
Trump did not do away with any law that Congress would be required to amend. Trump "did away with" Biden E.O.'s and other administrative actions And, FYI, Title VI has nothing to do with DEI. It reflects what the Constitution and SCOTUS decisions have said.

MAGA supporters really ought to get their petty hates in order. You can't love Trump because he banned DEI and then get all indignant because you don't like the protesting against Israel or for trans-sexuals or what ever nasty people you've decided are unacceptable.
Actually, it's you who needs to get things in order. You need to learn about what DEI was, how it was implemented (never enacted by Congress) and how it was eliminated. Then you need to learn about the law that was passed by Congress, signed by a Democrat President and clarified by SCOTUS regarding discrimination on the basis of several factors, including race and religion.
In any case I doubt whether Columbia "broke the law" concerning title VI
How can you even have that opinion, if you think that Title VI is about DEI?
 
Trump did not do away with any law that Congress would be required to amend. Trump "did away with" Biden E.O.'s and other administrative actions And, FYI, Title VI has nothing to do with DEI. It reflects what the Constitution and SCOTUS decisions have said.


Actually, it's you who needs to get things in order. You need to learn about what DEI was, how it was implemented (never enacted by Congress) and how it was eliminated. Then you need to learn about the law that was passed by Congress, signed by a Democrat President and clarified by SCOTUS regarding discrimination on the basis of several factors, including race and religion.

How can you even have that opinion, if you think that Title VI is about DEI?
I asked you what law you thought Columbia was guilty of not following; your reply was:
"The University has a contract with the accrediting organization, and that contract requires adherence to the law, specifically Title VI of the Civil Rights Act. Taxpayer funding is contingent on accreditation."
If Title VI isn't what you are talking about then what law are you going on about that Columbia isn't following and why are you so reluctant to post that law so it can be discussed?

Yes Trump rescinded Biden's EO but he also issued his own EO saying that Diversity, Equity and Inclusion cannot be talked about any more nor can anyone use those words. For good measure he included discrimination as one of those words nobody can use . 'Discrimination' is used in the title of Title VI.
 
If Title VI isn't what you are talking about then what law are you going on about that Columbia isn't following and why are you so reluctant to post that law so it can be discussed?
Title VI is what I referred to. You can read all of it, including all of the paragraphs under it, at https://www.dol.gov/agencies/oasam/regulatory/statutes/title-vi-civil-rights-act-of-1964.

For good measure he included discrimination as one of those words nobody can use .
Please provide a direct quote.
 
To be clear, Israel has the right to defend itself in the manner of its own choosing. I have consistently supported Israel's goal of ridding Gaza of the Hamas pigs who are hiding among civilians there.
ok

However, the people who live in the West Bank and Gaza have a legitimate claim to that land too. It is profoundly ignorant to claim that the killing is all the fault of the Palestinians.
That's not what I said. I said it's their fault the conflict has been extended for decades, and they are the ones standing in the way of a peaceful resolution.

You need to learn some history. The fact is that Jewish people forcibly displaced the Arabs and other groups who lived in the Palestinian territories beginning in the early 1900s. If someone came to my door and told me that my house and land is now theirs I would want to kill them.
You keep saying that, but then ignoring it. Yes, jewish people displaced people before. And Arab people displaced Jews. Romans and Macedonians were in there as well. The groups have been fighting over the area for several millenia.

By no stretch of the imagination is the West Bank land that belongs to Israel. Neither is Gaza for that matter. Egypt ceded control of Gaza to Israel but never deeded the land to them. Both Gaza and the West Bank are DISPUTED TERRITORIES, meaning that two groups of people claim its theirs. Both have legitimate claim to it. The Palestinians want all of it; Israel wants all of it. Hence its disputed territory and Israel should not be forming more settlements in the WB until a negotiated solution is achieved regarding ownership. In fact, the ONLY segment of land that actually BELONGS to Israel is the land granted to them when they became a sovereign state in 1948.
You have a lot of studying to do.............
Yes and no. The national boundaries have been established. The question of what to do with those groups hasn't been resolved. But the temporary boundaries established at the armistice had to be changed because of the Palestinian's actions. They had to have a more compact and defensible area because those groups were shooting rockets and planting pipe bombs, etc.
 
ok


That's not what I said. I said it's their fault the conflict has been extended for decades, and they are the ones standing in the way of a peaceful resolution.


You keep saying that, but then ignoring it. Yes, jewish people displaced people before. And Arab people displaced Jews. Romans and Macedonians were in there as well. The groups have been fighting over the area for several millenia.


Yes and no. The national boundaries have been established. The question of what to do with those groups hasn't been resolved. But the temporary boundaries established at the armistice had to be changed because of the Palestinian's actions. They had to have a more compact and defensible area because those groups were shooting rockets and planting pipe bombs, etc.
Is it cool for the Israelis to forceably displace Palestinians living in the WB in order to create more settlements, shooting them at times in the process while the Israeli police look the other way?
The conflict has extended for decades because both the Palestinians and the Israelis want each other GONE from the disputed territories. At no point did the Palestinians offer a realistic two state solution proposal-nor did the Israelis. They (BOTH of them) aren’t interested in peace-not until one controls all of Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank. BOTH sides are standing in the way of a peaceful solution. Neither side is free from blame, and neither side is ready for serious talks. To assert it’s all the fault of the Palestinians shows an lack of understanding of the situation there and an ignorance of history.
 
Is it cool for the Israelis to forceably displace Palestinians living in the WB
Yes. In case I wasn't clear the first dozen or so times, it is 'cool' for the Israelis to move the temporary lines created under the Armistice accords, which are now in their country, so that the area allotted to the Palestinians is more compact and defensible. It is 'not cool' for their citizens to suffer rocket strikes and terrorist attacks from the Palestinians.


The conflict has extended for decades because both the Palestinians and the Israelis want each other GONE from the disputed territories. At no point did the Palestinians offer a realistic two state solution proposal-nor did the Israelis. They (BOTH of them) aren’t interested in peace-not until one controls all of Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank. BOTH sides are standing in the way of a peaceful solution. Neither side is free from blame, and neither side is ready for serious talks.
That's inaccurate.
- The Palestinians want the Israelis gone from Israel. They have said there is no peace, and are still trying to wage a war that ended 7 decades ago. They elected a terrorist organization as their government, and condone attacks.
- The Israelis have offered peace, and shown great restraint given the actions of the Palestinians. They really haven't tried to 'take' land beyond what was needed for their own protection. They negotiated peace and clear borders with their neighbors. I'm sure the Israelis would be glad to see the Palestinians gone - but their focus has been on stopping the attacks. They HAVE said that Palestine can't have autonomy until they stop attacking their people. No one would.

That's the basic difference. Israel has tolerated the Palestinians and offered opportunity - and had it thrown back in their face. It's the Palestinian's 'fault' that they don't have their own country.

To assert it’s all the fault of the Palestinians shows an lack of understanding of the situation there and an ignorance of history.
You are the one who keeps demonstrating a 'lack of understanding of the situation' and an 'ignorance of history.' I've been quite clear in assigning 'fault' to the actions of 'both sides' - but in terms of why there isn't an agreement - it's ALL on the Palestinians at this point, and has been for a long time. Again, you can't expect a country to cede land to you, and control over it, when you demonstrate a desire to wage war against it.
 
Yes. In case I wasn't clear the first dozen or so times, it is 'cool' for the Israelis to move the temporary lines created under the Armistice accords, which are now in their country, so that the area allotted to the Palestinians is more compact and defensible. It is 'not cool' for their citizens to suffer rocket strikes and terrorist attacks from the Palestinians.



That's inaccurate.
- The Palestinians want the Israelis gone from Israel. They have said there is no peace, and are still trying to wage a war that ended 7 decades ago. They elected a terrorist organization as their government, and condone attacks.
- The Israelis have offered peace, and shown great restraint given the actions of the Palestinians. They really haven't tried to 'take' land beyond what was needed for their own protection. They negotiated peace and clear borders with their neighbors. I'm sure the Israelis would be glad to see the Palestinians gone - but their focus has been on stopping the attacks. They HAVE said that Palestine can't have autonomy until they stop attacking their people. No one would.

That's the basic difference. Israel has tolerated the Palestinians and offered opportunity - and had it thrown back in their face. It's the Palestinian's 'fault' that they don't have their own country.


You are the one who keeps demonstrating a 'lack of understanding of the situation' and an 'ignorance of history.' I've been quite clear in assigning 'fault' to the actions of 'both sides' - but in terms of why there isn't an agreement - it's ALL on the Palestinians at this point, and has been for a long time. Again, you can't expect a country to cede land to you, and control over it, when you demonstrate a desire to wage war against it.
You’re wrong because you don’t understand the history of the region and the basics of the current situation in the ME. I’ve tried to help you by teaching you the facts. But you won’t learn. It’s a fact that neither side wants a two state solution. It’s a fact that both sides are at fault for the ongoing violence. And it’s a fact that both sides want all of the land for themselves.
I won’t debate these facts with you anymore.
I’m done.
 
You’re wrong because you don’t understand the history of the region and the basics of the current situation in the ME. I’ve tried to help you by teaching you the facts. But you won’t learn. It’s a fact that neither side wants a two state solution. It’s a fact that both sides are at fault for the ongoing violence. And it’s a fact that both sides want all of the land for themselves.
I won’t debate these facts with you anymore.
I’m done.
ROFLOL. I've corrected you numerous times. Your gaslighting about 'you don't understand the history of the region' etc. is laughable given you keep making incorrect statements.

Good luck to you.
 
ROFLOL. I've corrected you numerous times. Your gaslighting about 'you don't understand the history of the region' etc. is laughable given you keep making incorrect statements.

Good luck to you.
Get back to me after you’ve educated yourself. Maybe then we can have a rational discussion about the ME.
When someone believes that only one side has all of the fault in the conflict it proves irrational personal bias. It’s impossible to carry on a debate under these circumstances.
So go educate yourself and work on the issues you have regarding your bias. Otherwise you’ll never be able to see things objectively.
Bye
 
Get back to me after you’ve educated yourself. [deflection removed]
See post #447.

When someone believes that only one side has all of the fault in the conflict [deflection removed]
You aren't reading my posts. I've corrected statements like this as well.

Now you are just going to mudslinging. Not interested. I'm happy to have an adult conversation when you are ready.
 
Title VI is what I referred to. You can read all of it, including all of the paragraphs under it, at https://www.dol.gov/agencies/oasam/regulatory/statutes/title-vi-civil-rights-act-of-1964.
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