Clinics ask how O'Reilly got abortion records

[agaglio]

Well how do you tell your daughter that having an abortion is a right? And an okay choice? How do you teach your daughter that it's okay to have a doctor make her pregnancy go away?

While simultaneously trying to teach your son that he has a responsibility to raise any children he creates? That even if he wasn't ready to be a father things just happen in life and now he has to grow up and be a father ready or not because that's the right thing to do.

How do you teach your son that he has to work hard and be the best dad he can be and that even though he doesn't feel ready it will be okay 'cause he has your love and support and he will learn as he goes?

How do you teach your son that raising his child will build his character while giving your daughter a few hundred to go down to the clinic and have your grandchild ripped from her womb?

Don't be ridiculous. You can never make men and women equal on all terms. Quite simply, you can simultaneously teach conflicting rules to both because they need conflicting rules. Woman hold babies in them, men do not. Therefore you can never make their roles in the birth of a child equal, like you are saying to do.

 

[Stinger]

If you had a son would you support his decision to abandon a girl he got pregnant? Would you support his decision to just say f-uck it I'm not ready they're on their own?

Because that would be equality! Disgusting. But equality none the less.

Not me, he's getting married this Sunday, baby due in May. Do the math.

 

[talloulou]

I have two sons. If one of them impregnated someone, the decision of whether or not to continue the pregnancy would not be his decision to make.
If the girl wanted to terminate the pregnancy, I would encourage my son to be financially and emotionally supportive.
If she wanted to continue it and become a parent, then I would pay child support as per the law until my son was eighteen, at which point he would take over the payments.
Certainly I would hope that my son would be actively involved in his child's life, if he had one... but I also would not permit it to interfere with his education and the growing up he still has to do.
There's no place for a baby, really, in the life of a teenage boy.

Forget teenagers for a moment. Lets say your son is an adult but he doesn't want kids. Isn't ready for kids and think kids would cramp his lifestyle. His girlfriend intends on keeping the baby.

He tells you, "I don't want to be a parent. I didn't ask for this. She should've had an abortion. I'm not going to be a father. She's forcing this on me. If she cared about me she would abort the baby. Why should I care for this baby at all? Why should I make child support payments? She had a choice and choose to keep it so it's on her."

How do you respond to him?

 

[1069]

My word, you prolifers certainly are behaving like a bunch of monkeys.
If I were a moderate or centrist, I'd be completely repulsed by your behavior to the point that I'd be discouraged from supporting the prolife cause.

(Sorry Tallou, that wasn't directed at you. I'm working on responding to your last post)

 

[jamesrage]

There's no place for a baby, really, in the life of a teenage boy.

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ADOPTION?It means to take into one's family through legal means and raise as one's own child.Instead of being baby killer alot of women who can not take care of their baby or do not want to take care of their baby give it up for adoption so that a couple who wants a baby can have a baby.Since apparently abortionist view a unborn baby as trash just remember the old one man's trash is another man's treasure.

 

[agaglio]

Forget teenagers for a moment. Lets say your son is an adult but he doesn't want kids. Isn't ready for kids and think kids would cramp his lifestyle. His girlfriend intends on keeping the baby.

He tells you, "I don't want to be a parent. I didn't ask for this. She should've had an abortion. I'm not going to be a father. She's forcing this on me. If she cared about me she would abort the baby. Why should I care for this baby at all? Why should I make child support payments? She had a choice and choose to keep it so it's on her."

How do you respond to him?

You tell him it is her body and he should have used a condom? duhhhh...

 

[jamesrage]

My word, you prolifers certainly are behaving like a bunch of monkeys.

Abortionist(people who have abortions and those who perform abortions) act like a bunch of filthy rat subhuman nazis.

If I were a moderate or centrist, I'd be completely repulsed by your behavior to the point that I'd be discouraged from supporting the prolife cause.

If a centrist really believed that abortion is wrong ,they would be repulsed by you.

 

[agaglio]

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ADOPTION?It means to take into one's family through legal means and raise as one's own child.Instead if being baby killer alot of women who can not take care of their baby or do not want to take care of their baby give it up for adoption so that a couple who wants a baby can have a baby.

Good idea, fill up the foster homes till they're jam packed with parent-less kids. :roll:

 

[agaglio]

Abortionist(people who have abortions and those who perform abortions) act like a bunch of filthy rat subhuman nazis.



If a centrist really believed that abortion is wrong ,they would be repulsed by you.

It's hard to debate with someone as close-minded as you.

 

[1069]

Good idea, fill up the foster homes till they're jam packed with parent-less kids. :roll:

Oops, too late. :roll:

 

[talloulou]

Don't be ridiculous. You can never make men and women equal on all terms. Quite simply, you can simultaneously teach conflicting rules to both because they need conflicting rules. Woman hold babies in them, men do not. Therefore you can never make their roles in the birth of a child equal, like you are saying to do.

Men and women are different. There are a variety of ways in which they can't be equal. But for the sake of children in our society I think it's important that we hold each sex responsible for their children and expect that both genders not abandon their young. Babies can't be "important" and "valuable" only when the mother says they are. In my opinion that greatly devalues women and makes it seem as if society expects men to take care of their kids but for some reason women are too weak and society can't have the same expectations for us. Pregnancy really isn't such a big deal. Taking care of a baby once it is born is much harder. We expect men to do that and men who abandon their kids are considered losers not males making a "Choice." Women are strong enough to handle the very same expectations.

 

[1069]

But for the sake of children in our society I think it's important that we hold each sex responsible for their children and expect that both genders not abandon their young.

Agreed. Or else they should not bring them into the world.

 

[talloulou]

Good idea, fill up the foster homes till they're jam packed with parent-less kids. :roll:

The waiting lists for couples wanting to adopt are long. Most have to pay tons of money and adopt internationally. Those who don't have money to do so are out of luck while drs. are performing late term abortions because a woman was too hysterical to just handle being pregnant for a little longer. :roll:

 

[talloulou]

Agreed. Or else they should not bring them into the world.

Ah yeah once you can see the little lad or lassie on ultrasound you've brought them into the world. Denial to acknowledge their presence doens't mean they don't yet exist.

 

[jamesrage]

Good idea, fill up the foster homes till they're jam packed with parent-less kids. :roll:

Considering the fact that many Americans adopt children from overseas we must have some shortage of children to adopt.Also I would think any kid would want the chance to grow up to be an adult to make their own mistakes in life than to be snuffed out because some selfish **** did not want stretch marks around stomach and I am pretty sure that people who grew up in foster homes are not sitting there thinking or wishing that their birth mother should have just killed him or her before leaving the womb.

 

[1069]

The waiting lists for couples wanting to adopt are long. Most have to pay tons of money and adopt internationally. Those who don't have money to do so are out of luck while drs. are performing late term abortions because a woman was too hysterical to just handle being pregnant for a little longer. :roll:

Women are under no obligation to gestate unwanted fetuses for prospective adoptive couples.
If they choose to devote some of their bodily resources to such an endeavor, great. If they don't, great.

 

[talloulou]

You tell him it is her body and he should have used a condom? duhhhh...

Yes but for some reason when you tell a woman she should've been on the pill or shut her legs all hell breaks loose.:roll:

See I think women are strong and empowered and I think we can be held to the same expectations. I will tell my daughter, "O well....looks like you're gonna have a baby."

 

[jamesrage]

It's hard to debate with someone as close-minded as you.

To you a unborn child is just a toenail, to me a unborn child is a baby who has not left it's mother's womb yet.So asking me to be open minded about killing unborn children would be like me asking you to be open about banning gay marriage.

 

[1069]

Ah yeah once you can see the little lad or lassie on ultrasound you've brought them into the world. Denial to acknowledge their presence doens't mean they don't yet exist.

No. One's uterus is not "the world".
The world is the world.
What you see on ultrasound is the inside of your body.

 

[talloulou]

Women are under no obligation to gestate unwanted fetuses for prospective adoptive couples.
If they choose to devote some of their bodily resources to such an endeavor, great. If they don't, great.

Women are under no obligation to do anything when it comes to their womb! Isn't that sad? Are we that hysterical and weak a gender that we can't be obligated to care for the baby that grows inside us? :roll:

 

[1069]

Women are under no obligation to do anything when it comes to their womb? Isn't that sad?

No, it is not sad at all. It is equitable and just.

 

[talloulou]

No. One's uterus is not "the world".
The world is the world.
What you see on ultrasound is the inside of your body.

And is the inside of your body existing in some other wordly plane???:roll:

 

[agaglio]

But for the sake of children in our society I think it's important that we hold each sex responsible for their children and expect that both genders not abandon their young.

I think everyone here agrees with that.

The waiting lists for couples wanting to adopt are long.

"The estimated number of children waiting to be adopted declined between FY 2000 and FY 2004 from 131,000 to 114,000"

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/stats_research/afcars/trends.htm

There are already more children than families willing to adopt.

 

[talloulou]

No, it is not sad at all. It is equitable and just.

Equitable to what? Exactly?

 

[talloulou]

"The estimated number of children waiting to be adopted declined between FY 2000 and FY 2004 from 131,000 to 114,000"

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/stats_research/afcars/trends.htm

There are already more children than families willing to adopt.

The majority of children that are currently eligible for adoption in our country today are children who have been forcibly taken from their parents due to neglect, jail, ect....They often have problems and extensive complicated histories and new parents looking to adopt for the first time are in no way capable of taking on those problems and thus they aren't comparable to newborns. Why don't you go google the number of babies.....under 6 months currently available and then get back to me.

You can't point to an 8 year old pyromaniac and say look at all the chilren available. The fact of the matter is a woman who opts to adopt out her baby will have no problem whatsoever barring any serious deformities.