Climate facts are back

[Juks]

You must be referring to when Obama had the EPA alter their data to suit his Marxist agenda in 2009. Obama screwed up the EPA so badly the Supreme Court had to step in by 2015 to slap him and his unconstitutional agenda down in Michigan v. EPA, 576 U.S. 743 (2015).

Thanks for the link. Interesting. I will have to have a more close look into the matter before I could say how I view it.

 

[ecofarm]

This subforum has a Denier club. They're like Truthers. They spam every thread with their dumb bullshit. It's like trying to debate theology with constant Sky Wizard spam. Worthless subforum.


MSc International Environmental Science
PhD(c) Interdisciplinary Ecology

 

[Juks]

This subforum has a Denier club. They're like Truthers. They spam every thread with their dumb bullshit. It's like trying to debate theology with constant Sky Wizard spam. Worthless subforum.


MSc International Environmental Science
PhD(c) Interdisciplinary Ecology

Then again you never know. "Even a blind hen can find a grain"

 

[ecofarm]

Then again you never know. "Even a blind hen can find a grain"

I do know. I'm educated. Heard of Lund? This subforum is garbage because a Denier club spams idiotic bullshit in every single thread.

 

[mrjurrs]

When the EPA started telling everyone CO2 was a pollutant, they deserved to be shut down. That is activism in government where it doesn't belong.

You do understand that oxygen will kill you if that is all your breathing? CO2 has properties that act as a pollutant (greenhouse effect).

 

[Glitch]

Thanks for the link. Interesting. I will have to have a more close look into the matter before I could say how I view it.

It goes further back than that.

Under Massachusetts v. Environmental Protection Agency, 549 U.S. 497 (2007) the Supreme Court held that the EPA "must relate to whether an air pollutant 'cause, or contribute to, air pollution which may reasonably be anticipated to endanger public health or welfare'" under Section 7601(a)(1) of the Clean Air Act of 1963. Which the EPA was not able to do, until Obama became President in 2009 unsurprisingly.

Carbon monoxide is air pollution, carbon dioxide is not. Without carbon dioxide all life on this planet would die. According to the US Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) atmospheric CO2 does not become harmful to humans until it reaches 30,000 ppmV, or 3% of the total atmosphere.

See: https://www.osha.gov/chemicaldata/chemResult.html?recNo=183

 

[Juks]

I do know. I'm educated. Heard of Lund? This subforum is garbage because a Denier club spams idiotic bullshit in every single thread.

You got your education in Lund? If you mean something else I can truly say: No I never heard of it.

 

[ecofarm]

You got your education in Lund? If you mean something else I can truly say: No I never heard of it.

Lund University, Sweden. Got a masters in science there.

 

[Juks]

It goes further back than that.

Under Massachusetts v. Environmental Protection Agency, 549 U.S. 497 (2007) the Supreme Court held that the EPA "must relate to whether an air pollutant 'cause, or contribute to, air pollution which may reasonably be anticipated to endanger public health or welfare'" under Section 7601(a)(1) of the Clean Air Act of 1963. Which the EPA was not able to do, until Obama became President in 2009 unsurprisingly.

Carbon monoxide is air pollution, carbon dioxide is not. Without carbon dioxide all life on this planet would die.

Thanks, I hope you understand that this would take me some time to lookinto and I won't be able to get back to you today.

 

[Juks]

Lund University, Sweden. Got a masters in science there.

Very nice university and city! Just a smal personal question : Do you speak swedish?

 

[ecofarm]

Very nice university and city! Just a smal personal question : Do you speak swedish?

Only a few words. I was there a couple years. After about 6 months, Swedes would say to me: "Well, you can't speak Swedish but at least you speak English with a Swedish accent". I lived in Helsingborg and Lund.

International masters program. 40 students from 23 countries and half female.

 

[TomFitz]

The levels you are speaking of are magnitudes greater. Can you please stop with the silliness?

We were going to ask you to do the same thing.

You made a blanket claim about CO2 which just happens to be at odds with the scientific and world consensus on the subject.

You supported your claim with nothing, and when called out, you tried some stereotypical snark about “plant food”/

You probably aren’t even aware that phospohrus and nitrogen runoff ARE major water pollution issues.

 

[istodolez]

Really? A few ppm... deleterious?

You appear to say that with the certainty of an indoctrinated activist, rather than the proper skepticism of a scientist.

Can you provide proof, since you stated it as a fact?

I didn't think so...

Give it a rest.

You talk like someone who is so arrogant, they think they know what others are all about.

Arrogance? Nah, that's your thing.

Tell us again about your IQ.

What best for them. And all knowing in general, yet so wrong most the time. Have you ever heard of David Dunning and Justin Kruger?

And, yet again, your typos show you to be imperfect as well.

 

[istodolez]

Its so funny that you keep pointing out what you call "triggers" that I have. Have you ever looked into your own?

Well, I DO tend to get triggered when arrogant buffoons try to call into question my bona fides.

 

[istodolez]

So much conspiracy-based extremist verbiage from the right wingers.

Yeah, for someone who fancies himself to be a modern-day John Galt or whatever his personal self-image is he sure doesn't stray far from the right-wing feeding trough.

 

[longview]

We were going to ask you to do the same thing.

You made a blanket claim about CO2 which just happens to be at odds with the scientific and world consensus on the subject.

You supported your claim with nothing, and when called out, you tried some stereotypical snark about “plant food”/

You probably aren’t even aware that phospohrus and nitrogen runoff ARE major water pollution issues.

Actually what LOP did was to counter the statement,
" Hmmm, a few additional ppms and CO2 becomes deleterious to our current climate. That will have impacts that are quite negative to the environment we inhabit. "
There is no indication that a change in a "few ppms of CO2" in the atmosphere at the current levels, would change much of anything,
much less be deleterious to our current climate.
This concept known as AGW, is about changing the CO2 level by several hundred to a thousand ppm, not a few.
RCP8.5 would have the CO2 level by 2100 at 1370 ppm, over 900 ppm above the current level.

 

[Lord of Planar]

This subforum has a Denier club. They're like Truthers. They spam every thread with their dumb bullshit. It's like trying to debate theology with constant Sky Wizard spam. Worthless subforum.


MSc International Environmental Science
PhD(c) Interdisciplinary Ecology

Then there's people like you who claim they know better and feel it necessary to cite unproven credentials, instead of being able to explain the science well.

 

[Lord of Planar]

You do understand that oxygen will kill you if that is all your breathing? CO2 has properties that act as a pollutant (greenhouse effect).

So will water if you drink too much. We don't go around calling water and oxygen pollutants or poisons though, do we?

Did you know the greenhouse effect of water is several times greater than CO2?

My God man. How can people rationalize such silliness?

 

[Lord of Planar]

We were going to ask you to do the same thing.

Those of you claiming CO2 is a pollutant are the silly ones. Levels matter. Do you even know why the EPA got away with calling it a pollutant? I'll bet you, and your other indoctrinated buddies don't know.

You made a blanket claim about CO2 which just happens to be at odds with the scientific and world consensus on the subject.

Without stating a level, it is nonsense. Up to at least 600 ppm, CO2 does more good for the plant life on the planet than the minor warming that can be demonstrated. The warming is even good overall as it opens up more usable land for agriculture.

Why are you afraid of CO2?

And... There was once a consensus that the world was flat. Are you a flat world supporter? I'll bet you never read the consensus papers and understood them. I have.

You supported your claim with nothing, and when called out, you tried some stereotypical snark about “plant food”/

I have posted several things over the years. Am I suppose to write a thesis every post for those of you who have never read my past remarks, or forgotten?

You probably aren’t even aware that phospohrus and nitrogen runoff ARE major water pollution issues.

I am fully aware that runoff from farms is a problem. You are so ignorant of my past remarks to even suggest such a thing as you have.

Unlike you, I don't assume someone knows less than me, until they show me. Please stop with your silly insinuations.

 

[mrjurrs]

So will water if you drink too much. We don't go around calling water and oxygen pollutants or poisons though, do we?

Did you know the greenhouse effect of water is several times greater than CO2?

My God man. How can people rationalize such silliness?

Any documentation on chances in the amount of water vapor in the air between pre and post industrialization would be interesting. Two ways-recognizing knowledge as being greater than opinion and looking at the world around you. Glacial melt for example.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Any documentation on chances in the amount of water vapor in the air between pre and post industrialization would be interesting. Two ways-recognizing knowledge as being greater than opinion and looking at the world around you. Glacial melt for example.
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Yawn.

Which months were those taken in?

One winter and one summer?

There are so many reasons things could be different as well. Long cycles, soot variations, etc. That snow already looks pretty dirty in the 1913 photo. Do you understand how small albedo changes affect the melting of snow and ice?

Cherry picked pictures does little to sway someone of intelligence. Need far more than one example.

 

[watsup]

So will water if you drink too much. We don't go around calling water and oxygen pollutants or poisons though, do we?

Did you know the greenhouse effect of water is several times greater than CO2?

My God man. How can people rationalize such silliness?

The excess man-produced CO2 is clearly a pollutant.

 

[mrjurrs]

Yawn.

Which months were those taken in?

One winter and one summer?

Yes, glaciers often melt in a season. Worst rebuttal ever.

 

[watsup]

Yawn.

Which months were those taken in?

One winter and one summer?

You don't know much about glaciers, do you?

 

[VanceMack]

I find it AMAZING...seriously...AMAZING...that the same people that have bobbed and swallowed the global warming bullshit that made people like Al Gore SUPER rich...the same people that have been following the pied pipers of gloom and doom for the last 30 years, even though ALL of the predictions of gloom and doom have been proven to have NOT happened AND even after the UNs IPCC has even ADMITTED this is nothing more than a global wealth redistribution scheme...those people are STILL just as eager today to fall for it as they were 30 years ago.

P.T. Barnum was right.